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Post by kathryn on Sept 9, 2022 7:56:58 GMT
It's sad but at least 96 is a very good age. I've rather been expecting it ever since the death of Prince Philip, as since then she's looked increasingly frail in photos. I hope they are now reunited in heaven. They both certainly deserve everlasting rest after such busy lives. I was just thinking how many things will change — a couple of organisations I'm involved with had her as patron, and I have so many things in the house that are "By appointment to Her Majesty". Do all the organisations lose their By Royal Appointment status instantaneously with the Queen's death? If so that must be sad for them, especially as some of them must have had it for decades. They were given a 2 year grace period after Philip died, but essentially yes, they do. Of course they can be granted a new Royal Warrant by a new Grantor. The monarch decides who can grant Royal Warrants. Good article about all the symbols that change with the monarch’s passing: amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/08/queen-death-cash-stamps-flags |
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Post by maggiem on Sept 9, 2022 8:20:08 GMT
The Donmar Warehouse sent their New Writing Person on stage to lead a collective minute's silence before the show began - at which point it became apparent that the lady next to me did not know the news. We got chatting in the brief interlude between the silence and the show starting, and she told me that she remembered watching the footage of the Queen disembarking from the plane back from Kenya after George VI had died. I was monitoring the live BBC news feed on their website all yesterday afternoon at work, and when they said everybody was making the trip to Balmoral, I knew then what was coming. It was still a shock getting home at half past six and discovering she had already passed on. We all knew this day would come but somehow it never quite felt real. Reflecting on it all this morning I suddeny thought, "She was the Queen of all our lifetimes", so the lady you spoke to will be one of the very few with living memory of the beginning of her reign. |
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Post by crabtree on Sept 9, 2022 9:33:19 GMT
of the many things going through my emotional head today, the thought crossed it of who will be re-embroidering the mammoth ROH curtain? stamps, bank notes. Full marks to Huw Edwards to simply keeping going for so long yesterday.
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Post by digne on Sept 9, 2022 9:54:50 GMT
Apparently the internet made the Les Mis twitter account delete their condolences post, but Hamilton didn't - I always thought they had the same social media team, especially because it was the same text.
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Post by Mark on Sept 9, 2022 9:56:31 GMT
Was flying home on a work trip and a passenger who had bought Wifi told us about an hour before landing. We had the ACARS message through and the captain made an announcement. I had read that this would happen in the event of the Queen passing but it was strange to have it happen.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 9, 2022 10:17:29 GMT
of the many things going through my emotional head today, the thought crossed it of who will be re-embroidering the mammoth ROH curtain? stamps, bank notes. Full marks to Huw Edwards to simply keeping going for so long yesterday. Post boxes have had the E 👑 R insignia emblazoned on them for 70 years, they will all have to be changed. Not only bank notes but all of our coins, she is omnipresent throughout our society and culture. It’s a huge change and could take years. |
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Post by alece10 on Sept 9, 2022 10:28:35 GMT
Apparently the internet made the Les Mis twitter account delete their condolences post, but Hamilton didn't - I always thought they had the same social media team, especially because it was the same text. Why did they have to delete it? |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 9, 2022 10:44:06 GMT
I don't think they change postboxes do they? My local one is an Edward VII one. I think it's just that any new ones will have Charles on.
One of the organisations I'm involved with has had the Queen as patron since she was Princess Elizabeth. It's a very long time. I do hope we have another royal patron in the future, but it feels odd to even think about it being somebody else.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 9, 2022 10:56:31 GMT
No, they don’t replace post boxes.
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2022 10:57:30 GMT
Things like curtains, coins, notes will take a while to replace as it's very expensive.
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Post by karloscar on Sept 9, 2022 11:10:18 GMT
Coins and notes will be replaced when they're no longer suitable for use, which could be years now that they're plastic, and decades for coins unless we change currency for some reason. Even after decimalisation two shilling George VI coins could be used as a 10p bit for quite some time, (or at least to make calls from a phone box...in prehistoric times).
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Post by digne on Sept 9, 2022 11:43:44 GMT
Apparently the internet made the Les Mis twitter account delete their condolences post, but Hamilton didn't - I always thought they had the same social media team, especially because it was the same text. Why did they have to delete it? Fans furious that the social media team doesn't understand what they believe is the point of the show. |
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2022 11:45:33 GMT
Coins and notes will be replaced when they're no longer suitable for use, which could be years now that they're plastic, and decades for coins unless we change currency for some reason. Even after decimalisation two shilling George VI coins could be used as a 10p bit for quite some time, (or at least to make calls from a phone box...in prehistoric times). The banknotes have only just finished their rollout of the polymer series so yes it could be at least a decade before they're changed, maybe longer. |
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Post by sph on Sept 9, 2022 13:39:20 GMT
Apparently new banknotes are printed everyday though, so I imagine the image of Charles will start to appear in circulation sooner than we think.
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Post by crowblack on Sept 9, 2022 13:52:50 GMT
Why did they have to delete it? Fans furious that the social media team doesn't understand what they believe is the point of the show. A rebellion against an entirely different type of monarch and regime in another country nearly 200 years ago? I'm amazed the Les Mis team caved in to the sort of vile people who yesterday tweeted stuff like this to them (offensive comment behind spoiler brackets) I hope the queen rots in the fiery depths of hell. but it looks like they have. |
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Post by greenice on Sept 9, 2022 14:45:50 GMT
Fans furious that the social media team doesn't understand what they believe is the point of the show. A rebellion against an entirely different type of monarch and regime in another country nearly 200 years ago? I'm amazed the Les Mis team caved in to the sort of vile people who yesterday tweeted stuff like this to them (offensive comment behind spoiler brackets) I hope the queen rots in the fiery depths of hell. but it looks like they have. Exactly, those fans don't really understand Les Miserables or appreciate its depth if they think a point being made in that part of the story is constitutional monarchy bad, republic good. However it does illustrate twitter in a nutshell. |
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2022 14:46:40 GMT
They do realise Les Mis is about a revolution but not The French Revolution...
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Post by eulenspiegel on Sept 9, 2022 16:13:53 GMT
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Post by jojo on Sept 9, 2022 17:37:31 GMT
I've shed a few tears today too - I'm a republican and on the Left but her public service and dignity through all the years have been exemplary. I have to add that the social media comments and behaviour, the lack of basic human empathy towards a family losing a mother and grandmother, coming from some on the 'left' today have been revolting. I'm one of those people who accepts that on paper having a Monarchy seems mad, and if we were starting from scratch we wouldn't invent it. And yet, it's an institution that works well in practice and the thought of having extra elections to decide on who should become our elected President/Head of State fills me with massive dread. Whenever there have been votes on who should be head of state, the Queen always won, followed by David Attenborough and a selection of other royals. I'm sure there are many lovely people who would be capable of doing the job, but how many of them would want it? In practical terms, having a head of state separate from head of government works well. Having a head of state that's been in the job and recognised by everyone around the world is of massive value. The Queen could host leaders and dignitaries from around the world and do ribbon cutting and ship launching far better than any Prime Minister. There could be an enhanced role for 'national treasure' types, but I fear the process of deciding on who that would be would ruin it for them and us. And if we are wanting to improve democracy in the UK, I'd start with fixing the voting system for Westminster to make seats proportional to votes. Plus as you say crowblack, the lack of basic empathy from some of the more vocal Republicans is not helping them make their case. I don't care whether or not you liked her or what she stood for. Celebrating the death of someone who dedicated her life to service is not a good look. Sycophancy is not required, but you wouldn't go around telling friends, colleagues or neighbours that you are glad their relative died. |
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Post by sph on Sept 9, 2022 18:22:49 GMT
The amount of rather violent, intense anger towards a 96 year old woman is quite shocking. Some people seem to be holding her personally responsible for colonialism and genocides and wars. Many of them are college age kids who weren't even alive to witness any of it.
As I've said, I'm no Royalist, but considering the privileged position she may have been born into, the Queen never took it for granted and worked every day of her life to fulfil the duties involved. I can't imagine any of the things carried out previously during wars or colonialism brought her any happiness.
I thought she came across as a kind and likeable person, a Mother or Grandmother to the nation. There may be something valuable in having a non-political representative for a country, although I do think that perhaps it is time to scale the institution down a great deal.
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Post by jojo on Sept 9, 2022 19:05:52 GMT
I remember years ago - possibly 1990s or early 2000s that Charles made a statement to the effect that the Royal Family would be slimmed down when he took over, and everyone seemed happy enough with this advanced notice they'd be shifting towards the Dutch or Danish models where the minor royals get themselves proper jobs. But with the Queen living for so long and Charles' kids inevitably having their own children, the core family seemed to be growing, rather than shrinking.
Then there was the fuss about Harry's kids not automatically becoming Princes or Princesses at birth (which was in keeping the protocols), with people insisting it would be easy to change protocols if they wanted to. After all, they changed the rules so the heir is the first-born child, not first male, so why not change it for a mixed-race child to become Prince/Princess? I think the rules on royal protection may change now too, which was apparently the other bone of contention.
It's a bit of a lose-lose situation for Charles now. Most people support the idea of a slimmed down monarchy in theory, but organisations love a royal patron, and the media like having a high profile extended family to report on. Zara Philips/Tindall's lack of HRH or title of any kind didn't stop them from obsessively writing about her when she was younger.
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 9, 2022 19:36:31 GMT
of the many things going through my emotional head today, the thought crossed it of who will be re-embroidering the mammoth ROH curtain? stamps, bank notes. Full marks to Huw Edwards to simply keeping going for so long yesterday. It looks like the ROH got onto the curtains jolly quickly anyway. Photos on Twitter from tonight's performance show the curtains currently have black patches where the EIIR monogram was. The curtains have been looking a bit worn for the last few years so I imagine they felt it wasn't worth getting a new EIIR pair but hopefully they've got a nice new pair with CIIIR tucked away somewhere ready to go when appropriate after the funerl & mourning period. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 9, 2022 20:14:28 GMT
[/quote]Post boxes have had the E 👑 R insignia emblazoned on them for 70 years, they will all have to be changed. Not only bank notes but all of our coins, she is omnipresent throughout our society and culture. It’s a huge change and could take years. [/quote]
Most of our bank notes have had Charlie on em for years (boom tish)
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Post by kathryn on Sept 9, 2022 20:31:17 GMT
I remember years ago - possibly 1990s or early 2000s that Charles made a statement to the effect that the Royal Family would be slimmed down when he took over, and everyone seemed happy enough with this advanced notice they'd be shifting towards the Dutch or Danish models where the minor royals get themselves proper jobs. But with the Queen living for so long and Charles' kids inevitably having their own children, the core family seemed to be growing, rather than shrinking. Then there was the fuss about Harry's kids not automatically becoming Princes or Princesses at birth (which was in keeping the protocols), with people insisting it would be easy to change protocols if they wanted to. After all, they changed the rules so the heir is the first-born child, not first male, so why not change it for a mixed-race child to become Prince/Princess? I think the rules on royal protection may change now too, which was apparently the other bone of contention. It's a bit of a lose-lose situation for Charles now. Most people support the idea of a slimmed down monarchy in theory, but organisations love a royal patron, and the media like having a high profile extended family to report on. Zara Philips/Tindall's lack of HRH or title of any kind didn't stop them from obsessively writing about her when she was younger. People misunderstood the point about Archie’s title. Technically William’s younger children were not entitled to be called Prince/Princess either - new letters patent granting them the titles were issued, in part in anticipation of the fact that they would become entitled when Charles succeeded. They could have made the same decision for Archie. They decided not to. The explanation given to Harry and Meghan was that the plan was to change the George V rules about who is entitled to Royal titles after Charles succeeds. Especially for Archie, it seemed to her, given the other comments being made and the undeniably racially-tinged coverage by the tabloids - though more likely as part of the ‘slimmed down monarchy’ scheme. Indeed, some legal experts suggested that Archie would not automatically be elevated to a Prince after the Queen’s death - there is some ambiguity about whether the original letters patent cover that eventuality, as Royal Styles are announced at birth. Press outlets are reporting that Archie and Lillibet have automatically become Prince and Princess. I suppose The Firm will not make a point of changing the rule now and it will be allowed to stand. But if the original story that Harry and Meghan had declined titles for Archie had been maintained, I rather suspect it would be different. |
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Post by CG on the loose on Sept 9, 2022 22:05:05 GMT
We knew this was coming, and I was following the TV coverage from lunchtime onwards yesterday so knew it was imminent, and yet when the announcement finally came, I was swamped by grief. I've been trying since to understand why... I held the Queen in the utmost respect, for a lifetime of exemplary service, but this was out of all proportion. On reflection, I think it's because she was of the same generation as my late parents and while she lived, she was a comforting connection to their lives, their values, their experiences. As I grieve for her, I grieve again for them.
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