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Post by HereForTheatre on Jan 24, 2022 8:42:40 GMT
I don't know what anyone else thinks but I can't see him being gone anytime soon, It seems unlikely the report will be so damaging he will resign and you sense that the party could be split enough he could even survive a no confidence vote. I mean, if they have any sense whatsoever he's got to go, why on earth would you defend and stick with a man who is leading your party to almost certain defeat at the next election. Maybe I'm wrong but he's still here this time next year imo?
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Post by nick on Jan 24, 2022 9:16:32 GMT
I don't know what anyone else thinks but I can't see him being gone anytime soon, It seems unlikely the report will be so damaging he will resign and you sense that the party could be split enough he could even survive a no confidence vote. I mean, if they have any sense whatsoever he's got to go, why on earth would you defend and stick with a man who is leading your party to almost certain defeat at the next election. Maybe I'm wrong but he's still here this time next year imo? Labour's favourite scenario. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 24, 2022 9:20:42 GMT
I don't know what anyone else thinks but I can't see him being gone anytime soon, It seems unlikely the report will be so damaging he will resign and you sense that the party could be split enough he could even survive a no confidence vote. I mean, if they have any sense whatsoever he's got to go, why on earth would you defend and stick with a man who is leading your party to almost certain defeat at the next election. Maybe I'm wrong but he's still here this time next year imo? Labour's favourite scenario. This. Like Ollies at the Wheel |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 10:45:26 GMT
I don't know what anyone else thinks but I can't see him being gone anytime soon, It seems unlikely the report will be so damaging he will resign and you sense that the party could be split enough he could even survive a no confidence vote. I mean, if they have any sense whatsoever he's got to go, why on earth would you defend and stick with a man who is leading your party to almost certain defeat at the next election. Maybe I'm wrong but he's still here this time next year imo? They say a week in Politics is a long time so two years and 3 or so months to the next election is. Logic says he goes but who replaces him and the guy seems to pull in voters somehow and win elections. |
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Post by Jon on Jan 24, 2022 16:41:54 GMT
I don't know what anyone else thinks but I can't see him being gone anytime soon, It seems unlikely the report will be so damaging he will resign and you sense that the party could be split enough he could even survive a no confidence vote. I mean, if they have any sense whatsoever he's got to go, why on earth would you defend and stick with a man who is leading your party to almost certain defeat at the next election. Maybe I'm wrong but he's still here this time next year imo? I think he'll probably announce a resignation in May after the local elections. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 24, 2022 17:15:18 GMT
I don't know what anyone else thinks but I can't see him being gone anytime soon, It seems unlikely the report will be so damaging he will resign and you sense that the party could be split enough he could even survive a no confidence vote. I mean, if they have any sense whatsoever he's got to go, why on earth would you defend and stick with a man who is leading your party to almost certain defeat at the next election. Maybe I'm wrong but he's still here this time next year imo? I think he'll probably announce a resignation in May after the local elections. Can't see him resigning without being told it's all over |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jan 24, 2022 17:19:51 GMT
Who will tell him it's over? If there's a no confidence vote triggered this week after the report comes out and he wins it, they can't try again for another year. There's no way he resigns in the meantime unless something else even more serious crops up.
I think the question is if the report coming up this week is so damning it could make any no confidence vote successful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 17:55:30 GMT
They always say about the men in suits ( the whips) going to see the PM and telling him it is over. Or it gets to a point whereby the cabinet threaten to resign en masse if he didn't go. Usually it can be respected party members or the Chair of the 1922 committee who would also advise the PM to go. Also senior ministers become slower in giving their support to the PM.
Remember with Maggie the MPs voted her out but the Party Members wanted her to stay on.
It might come to the point where he agrees a staged exit, we were waiting for that with Theresa May and it never quite came to that. The old I'm standing down for a younger person, I want to spend more time with my family, it is for the good of the party can be used.
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Post by lichtie on Jan 24, 2022 19:03:29 GMT
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 24, 2022 19:17:33 GMT
Who will tell him it's over? If there's a no confidence vote triggered this week after the report comes out and he wins it, they can't try again for another year. There's no way he resigns in the meantime unless something else even more serious crops up. I think the question is if the report coming up this week is so damning it could make any no confidence vote successful. Yep Tory MP's |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 24, 2022 19:21:37 GMT
Our greatest ever Prime Minister Winston Churchill said ‘the opposition sit opposite you, your enemy sit behind you.’
Theresa May became Prime Minister unopposed, had a confidence vote and won it, which meant her position as Prime Minister was secure for a whole year, in 2 months it all ended up in tears and she was gone.
A lot of people say about Margaret Thatcher being stabbed in the back she wasn’t, she was stabbed in the front.
Boris is/was popular with the electored (you decide), he is/was popular with members of the wider Conservative Party (you decide) however he is detested in parliament (I decided) they cannot wait to depose him, if they can, That wallpaper and parties comes across as arrogance and could be fatal, we will see over the coming weeks. That bubbling buffoonery that is actually all put on, that endears the public to him but when people get hit in the pockets and struggling to pay bills and unemployment goes up, actually will rile people instead.
We have to wait and see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 20:16:28 GMT
Surely the report by Sue Gray should have been done by a retired senior Detective or a Judge/Lawyer.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 24, 2022 20:42:35 GMT
A seven year old girl cancelled her party and kept to the rules.
The fifty six year old PM did not.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 24, 2022 22:35:11 GMT
So a 7 year girl knew the rules, but our Prime Minister didn’t.
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Post by olliebean on Jan 24, 2022 22:50:05 GMT
What happens if he loses a no-confidence vote but refuses to resign? Has that ever happened? Is it possible for anyone other than the electorate to get rid of him, in that scenario? Because he has the type of personality that I could easily see doing that.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 25, 2022 8:26:41 GMT
Honestly at this point the British people need to take to the streets. This goes way beyond indefensible. It's abhorrent. I have never loathed anybody in my whole life as much as I loathe Johnson with every fibre of my being.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 25, 2022 8:46:39 GMT
What happens if he loses a no-confidence vote but refuses to resign? Has that ever happened? Is it possible for anyone other than the electorate to get rid of him, in that scenario? Because he has the type of personality that I could easily see doing that. He he |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 25, 2022 8:47:10 GMT
Surely the report by Sue Gray should have been done by a retired senior Detective or a Judge/Lawyer. Or the police? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 25, 2022 8:48:42 GMT
Our greatest ever Prime Minister Winston Churchill said ‘the opposition sit opposite you, your enemy sit behind you.’ Theresa May became Prime Minister unopposed, had a confidence vote and won it, which meant her position as Prime Minister was secure for a whole year, in 2 months it all ended up in tears and she was gone. A lot of people say about Margaret Thatcher being stabbed in the back she wasn’t, she was stabbed in the front. Boris is/was popular with the electored (you decide), he is/was popular with members of the wider Conservative Party (you decide) however he is detested in parliament (I decided) they cannot wait to depose him, if they can, That wallpaper and parties comes across as arrogance and could be fatal, we will see over the coming weeks. That bubbling buffoonery that is actually all put on, that endears the public to him but when people get hit in the pockets and struggling to pay bills and unemployment goes up, actually will rile people instead. We have to wait and see what happens. Is Winston Churchill our greatest ever leader? |
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Post by og on Jan 25, 2022 9:05:40 GMT
Surely the report by Sue Gray should have been done by a retired senior Detective or a Judge/Lawyer. Or the police? The same police that definitely didn't know about the event, despite having officers working at said event? |
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Post by olliebean on Jan 25, 2022 9:54:15 GMT
Our greatest ever Prime Minister Winston Churchill said ‘the opposition sit opposite you, your enemy sit behind you.’ Theresa May became Prime Minister unopposed, had a confidence vote and won it, which meant her position as Prime Minister was secure for a whole year, in 2 months it all ended up in tears and she was gone. A lot of people say about Margaret Thatcher being stabbed in the back she wasn’t, she was stabbed in the front. Boris is/was popular with the electored (you decide), he is/was popular with members of the wider Conservative Party (you decide) however he is detested in parliament (I decided) they cannot wait to depose him, if they can, That wallpaper and parties comes across as arrogance and could be fatal, we will see over the coming weeks. That bubbling buffoonery that is actually all put on, that endears the public to him but when people get hit in the pockets and struggling to pay bills and unemployment goes up, actually will rile people instead. We have to wait and see what happens. Is Winston Churchill our greatest ever leader? I'd probably have gone for Attlee, but it's a subjective judgement. |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jan 25, 2022 10:02:51 GMT
It appears the police are now set to investigate the parties, according to Sky News.
The point here is that whilst all this is going on there's really serious issues that aren't being dealt with like the cost of living crisis and the situation in Ukraine, not to mention the fact that Covid isn't over and people are still dying. The Prime Minister is not in a position to get a grip of these things whilst the whole operation is in save Boris mode. He just has to go, that's not to say he will.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 25, 2022 10:38:56 GMT
Is Winston Churchill our greatest ever leader? I'd probably have gone for Attlee, but it's a subjective judgement. That's what I thought, sentence surprised me. Guess Churchill was voted not just greatest leader but greatest Britain in the BBC poll so I guess not that surprising |
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Post by og on Jan 25, 2022 10:50:50 GMT
It appears the police are now set to investigate the parties, according to Sky News. The point here is that whilst all this is going on there's really serious issues that aren't being dealt with like the cost of living crisis and the situation in Ukraine, not to mention the fact that Covid isn't over and people are still dying. The Prime Minister is not in a position to get a grip of these things whilst the whole operation is in save Boris mode. He just has to go, that's not to say he will. Wouldn't hold your breath for any result then. Every previous met police "investigation" regarding #10's rule breaking has been a joke. Clear cut evidence equates to "nothing to see here". |
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Post by olliebean on Jan 25, 2022 11:15:55 GMT
If Johnson gets a fine for breaking the rules, what's the betting he'll try to get a donor to pay it for him?
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