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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 6, 2022 20:56:40 GMT
I don't know if the party could stop him calling an election. He might lose but if a PM was getting it from all sides he puts a lot of the problem members out of seats and they wouldn't get all the extra jobs/opportunities a future PM may get? People know I'm a Tory but I said a few months ago he needs to go for the sake of the party. 12 years we've been back in power only the last few with any sort of majority and that was dominated by Brexit and Covid. I wonder if Mr Javid regrets resigning in Feb 2020 as a couple more year's as Chancellor and it would have made more impact and he'd have been at top of the queue to replace Boris. I am questioning if you are True Blue Tory though. Too nice
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Post by d'James on Jul 6, 2022 21:30:30 GMT
Nadine Dorries is either in denial or entirely unhinged. Or both.
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Post by karloscar on Jul 6, 2022 23:04:11 GMT
I don't know if my biggest laugh of the day was Ian Blackford gravely reading Bozo's dead parrot obituary, Chris Bryant destroying everything Bozo uttered at committee, Suella BravuraWokeNonsense declaring herself the next PM or Govey getting sacked in a hissy fit when everyone else was resigning. Tomorrow has a lot to live up to.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 6, 2022 23:28:57 GMT
What’s the difference between Boris Johnson and IKEA?
IKEAS’ cabinets do not fall apart.
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 7, 2022 6:45:04 GMT
50 MPs have now resigned. 50! Absoutely delicious thing to wake up to. Now, it works either way. If he resigns, he's gone and I will be immeasurably happy, even if only for a brief moment until the next one takes over. Or he continues to dig his heels in and spectacularly loses the confidence vote next week and is gone in the most undignified and humiliating way possible. Either way, he's done, and what is happening now will be his legacy - worst PM in history.
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Post by karloscar on Jul 7, 2022 6:57:18 GMT
Don't think Bozo has enough friends in the army to stage a coup. Maybe the men in white coats can do what the men in grey suits failed to achieve?
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 7, 2022 7:39:52 GMT
Blimey, the second you write something it's out of date. 53! Would it be hyperbole to say that we can't even call it a Government any more? They physically don't; have enough ministers to carry out even the basic day to day work, legislation meetings are being suspended. Living through history.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 7, 2022 8:00:00 GMT
50 MPs have now resigned. 50! Absoutely delicious thing to wake up to. Now, it works either way. If he resigns, he's gone and I will be immeasurably happy, even if only for a brief moment until the next one takes over. Or he continues to dig his heels in and spectacularly loses the confidence vote next week and is gone in the most undignified and humiliating way possible. Either way, he's done, and what is happening now will be his legacy - worst PM in history. Doesn't have to go if he loses next weeks confidence vote does he? Vote is leader of conservative party not prime minister isn't it. Starmer should call for vote of no confidence in parliament. What a choice for a tory MP
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 7, 2022 8:27:30 GMT
He's gone. HE'S GONE! OK, he's apparently staying until October until a new leader is found but.... HE'S GONE!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 7, 2022 8:28:17 GMT
The king is dead, long live the king...
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Post by olliebean on Jul 7, 2022 9:18:38 GMT
Can't help worrying what more damage he can do in the next 3 months. He'll have to be gone way sooner if he can't muster enough supporters for a cabinet, though, surely?
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Post by olliebean on Jul 7, 2022 9:25:03 GMT
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 7, 2022 9:53:14 GMT
There has been so many twists and turns, so many lies, shabbiness- personally and politically.
Although I am not a particularly political, this has been gripping.
I give it 5 years and will be an extremely well written play that will be playing either at The National or the West End, with an expected Broadway transfer.
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Post by Jon on Jul 7, 2022 9:54:34 GMT
James Graham must be scribbling ideas as we speak.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 7, 2022 10:05:52 GMT
There’s a very good bbc docu-drama on YouTube called “Margaret” starring Lindsay Duncan about Thatcher’s final days and how they all those men she’d been handbagging for years stuck the knife in. Fascinating but just goes to show what a ruthless and crazy business Politics is.
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Post by Jon on Jul 7, 2022 10:07:21 GMT
There’s a very good bbc docu-drama on YouTube called “Margaret” starring Lindsay Duncan about Thatcher’s final days and how they all those men she’d been handbagging for years stuck the knife in. Fascinating but just goes to show what a ruthless and crazy business Politics is. The documentary Thatcher: A Very British Revolution is also a great watch.
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Post by The Matthew on Jul 7, 2022 10:11:21 GMT
OK, he's apparently staying until October until a new leader is found I think this is another "I understand your concerns and I'm going to pretend I care, but really nothing's going to change". He's certainly hoping that this will shut down his critics for a while and by the time autumn comes he'll have found something to distract everyone.
(Boris frantically searches "how to kill a queen".)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 7, 2022 10:18:23 GMT
I wonder how Chris Pincher is feeling. Literally the man who brought down a government.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 11:09:21 GMT
If Boris is given 3 months he will find some way of staying on. It has to be now.
They are all a pathetic load of kids squabbling, I know its not been done but the queen could weild her power and force it to a head, even if it means an election. This can't go on, we need a working government to see us through these times.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 7, 2022 12:02:27 GMT
That leaving speech outside number ten was a bit Trumpian wasn't it?
Tommy Robbo and the boys standing by....
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 7, 2022 14:01:17 GMT
There is just no way he can lead for three months. So few MPs do have confidence in him we currently have no functioning Government. How would anything get done?
Mind you, the longer he stays the worse it gets for the Tories, so not all bad.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 7, 2022 16:14:22 GMT
A popular tabloid newspaper compared Theresa May to Margaret Thatcher and Boris Johnston to Winston Churchill! It was Winston Churchill that famously said that "the opposition sit opposite you, your enemy sits behind you." Which is too true for Boris 'Winston' Johnston.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 7, 2022 16:32:40 GMT
A popular tabloid newspaper compared Theresa May to Margaret Thatcher and Boris Johnston to Winston Churchill! It was Winston Churchill that famously said that "the opposition sit opposite you, your enemy sits behind you." Which is too true for Boris 'Winston' Johnston. At least the last four Conservative leaders
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Post by karloscar on Jul 7, 2022 17:54:36 GMT
He hasn't even gone yet and they're rewriting history and trying to tell us old Boris wasn't so bad on all the newscasts. BBC still won't call him a liar even though that's what destroyed him in the end, never mind that he's arrogant, vain, entitled, ruthless, backstabbing, sexually incontinent, homophobic, racist, sexist and totally lacking empathy for anyone but himself.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 8, 2022 7:20:51 GMT
A popular tabloid newspaper compared Theresa May to Margaret Thatcher and Boris Johnston to Winston Churchill! It was Winston Churchill that famously said that "the opposition sit opposite you, your enemy sits behind you." Which is too true for Boris 'Winston' Johnston. At least the last four Conservative leaders Looked last night, only two PM's who have won an election have been voted out in a general election in the last fifty years
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 7:31:30 GMT
Lest we not forget, Blair was also pushed out of office by Brown. It may not have been played out in public but it was nonetheless done in a ruthless manner. Brown also had attempted coups launched at his leadership.
Another thing that those on the Labour benches may like to recall, Corbyn suffered an even bigger set of resignations and clung on to the leadership. Propped up by the current leader of the Labour Party...
Labour isn't quite as good at getting rid of failing leaders as the Tories.
The LDs also have been known to turn on leaders very rapidly.
All parties go through periods of leadership crises. Admittedly the past few days has been perhaps the most extreme but certainly not without precedent in our political history.
The world of Twitter has meant that it has been played out far more publicly than ever before.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 8, 2022 8:03:48 GMT
Lest we not forget, Blair was also pushed out of office by Brown. It may not have been played out in public but it was nonetheless done in a ruthless manner. Brown also had attempted coups launched at his leadership. Another thing that those on the Labour benches may like to recall, Corbyn suffered an even bigger set of resignations and clung on to the leadership. Propped up by the current leader of the Labour Party... Labour isn't quite as good at getting rid of failing leaders as the Tories. The LDs also have been known to turn on leaders very rapidly. All parties go through periods of leadership crises. Admittedly the past few days has been perhaps the most extreme but certainly not without precedent in our political history. The world of Twitter has meant that it has been played out far more publicly than ever before. Could feel your pain writing that
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 9:30:39 GMT
The thing that I find distasteful about modern politics is the hypocrisy and holier than thou posturing.
It affects all parties.
More humility and honesty would do us all good
And it would certainly do politicians good to actually study our laws and constitution before going in front of a camera/keyboard.
Learn what mechanisms exist within our set up before starting to make pointless demands.
The same also goes for political journalists who should really do their homework before asking a single question.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 8, 2022 10:24:27 GMT
The thing that I find distasteful about modern politics is the hypocrisy and holier than thou posturing. It affects all parties. More humility and honesty would do us all good And it would certainly do politicians good to actually study our laws and constitution before going in front of a camera/keyboard. Learn what mechanisms exist within our set up before starting to make pointless demands. The same also goes for political journalists who should really do their homework before asking a single question. Great post, you may not get exactly what you want but let's hope the next government helps to get us a little closer
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 10:47:28 GMT
Also on the day that the former PM of Japan has been assassinated, we all should strive to take the heat out of politics.
Move towards data driven policy making. Not allow things to be driven by dogma
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