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Post by talkingheads on Jan 18, 2022 13:40:16 GMT
A quote from our Prime Minister.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 18, 2022 14:13:35 GMT
Person who stood in front of us more or less daily telling us to follow the rules says nobody told me the event (party) was against the rules.
Ignorance is no defence in law but this defence gives ignorants a bad name.
Beginning to wonder who is the most stupid, the ones who unquestionably support Johnson or the man himself, in reality meaningless as this cohort are the ones who are leading the Country whether directly in power or within the media.
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Post by Jon on Jan 18, 2022 17:40:04 GMT
It does surprise that Boris lasted two terms as Mayor of London given he's doing so badly as PM
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 18, 2022 18:06:34 GMT
I for one am looking forward to the litany of offences that can now be written off because 'Nobody told me'. Break the speed limit? Not my fault, nobody told me. Steal something? Not my fault, nobody said I couldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 18:20:49 GMT
It does surprise that Boris lasted two terms as Mayor of London given he's doing so badly as PM He didn't do that well as Mayor of London. He remained popular on the basis of his amiable bloke-down-the-pub image but he also wasted loads of money — close to £1 billion — on projects that failed or that he didn't see through to completion. |
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Post by karloscar on Jan 19, 2022 7:55:36 GMT
The video of Boris facing questions from the Line of Duty leads is very well made, and not so flippant that it can be easily dismissed. He's a goner.
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Post by og on Jan 19, 2022 11:24:36 GMT
Wonder what lies will be peddled at PMQs today. He’s going to come out navy, fighting and very defensive against the op today. Like a little yappy dog that’s just sh*t on your doorstep and barking at you about it.
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 19, 2022 15:18:03 GMT
Wonder what lies will be peddled at PMQs today. He’s going to come out navy, fighting and very defensive against the op today. Like a little yappy dog that’s just sh*t on your doorstep and barking at you about it. Well this was certainly an accurate prediction  It all seemed to be going so well for him until David Davis appeared at the end |
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Post by Jon on Jan 19, 2022 16:26:09 GMT
I'm going to guess it'll be mid to late May when Boris announces he's leaving then we'll probably see Britain's Next Failure Prime Minister on TV in June and July followed by the new PM in July.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 19, 2022 16:49:41 GMT
Interesting conjecture, Tory MP joining Labour today was a a constructive ruse by Labour to strengthen Johnson’s position, the defection mobilised the Tory ranks to support Johnson vocally more than they have done recently and coalesced the Tory MP’s against a traitor.
The belief is that Johnson is so weakened in the public consciousness that come the next election he is an easy target as evidenced in PMQ’s over the last few weeks.
The dislike in polls is centred more on Johnson than the Party, a new leader will not be such an easy target, better the devil you know.
Like the leaking of the stories, Johnson is not given enough rope to hang himself only cause serious damage.
Johnson is not going to leave voluntarily so death by a thousand cuts is the strategy and let the people remove him, with the numbers he is unlikely to lose a vote of no confidence but at the next election the line ‘a man who couldn’t gain the confidence of his Party is not fit to be PM’
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 19, 2022 16:51:54 GMT
If Boris did hold on that long to June/July and Parliament seems to be smelling blood, I wouldn't have said that last week, last week I would have said Boris was a vote winner in the country, even though despised in Parliament. It is never good when one of your mp's crosses the floor and a Grandeur of the Tory party tells Boris to walk. This Prime Minister is lurching from bad to terrible with his operation 'big dog' failing to hit easy targets such as migrants in the channel and BBC have been unsuccessful to not make Boris the story.
If you told me in December 2019, that Theresa May could of served long as Prime Minister than Boris I would've choked on my Corn Flakes.
This Prime Minister needs to go and find his ditch.
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Post by olliebean on Jan 19, 2022 21:13:58 GMT
Meanwhile, I guess the fact that Tories are now more welcome than socialists in Labour says something about the breadth of choice we are going to have at the next general election.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 19, 2022 21:23:09 GMT
Meanwhile, I guess the fact that Tories are now more welcome than socialists in Labour says something about the breadth of choice we are going to have at the next general election. Starmer 7/1 to be next Tory leader |
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Post by olliebean on Jan 20, 2022 9:16:03 GMT
While I'm as keen as the next person to see the back of Johnson, I can't shake this creeping sense of dread that whoever, and whatever, comes after he's gone will be - albeit less obviously - fundamentally worse.
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Post by og on Jan 20, 2022 9:51:32 GMT
Whoever comes next will be infinity more competent but with that will come stronger policies and harsher implications.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 20, 2022 10:16:05 GMT
I think one of Boris's major faults is he does not like conflict. To be a good manager you don't need to eb afraid of making decisions that may be unpopular and you have to go with what you believe in. Boris always seems to dither and one of the reasons why he has appeared popular in the past is his affable nature. This doesn't go well with his position though as Prime Ministers have to make uncomfortable decisions often. I don't see how he can be around much longer though.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 20, 2022 12:27:48 GMT
We get blackmail today, reported by Tory MP which is unprecedented.
Here we go again:
1. This did not happen. (Already in-process)
2. It did happen, but the Prime Minister knew nothing about it.
3. The Prime Minister knew about it, but it wasn’t technically blackmail.
4. It was blackmail, but the Prime Minister wasn’t told that blackmail was against the law.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 20, 2022 12:53:49 GMT
We get blackmail today, reported by Tory MP which is unprecedented. Here we go again: 1. This did not happen. (Already in-process) 2. It did happen, but the Prime Minister knew nothing about it. 3. The Prime Minister knew about it, but it wasn’t technically blackmail. 4. It was blackmail, but the Prime Minister wasn’t told that blackmail was against the law. Whips been blackmailing MP's for years and years 5. MP grows a back bone and stands up for beliefs |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jan 20, 2022 13:24:14 GMT
Agree, always been around, difference is that it is being reported by a Tory MP and it is withholding public money which is not within the remit of the whips.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 20, 2022 14:01:48 GMT
Agree, always been around, difference is that it is being reported by a Tory MP and it is withholding public money which is not within the remit of the whips. Only going to get worse. The Tory's have worked out a way of pressing reset button without letting the right of the Labour party have a go. #Mostsuccessfulwesterndemocraticparty |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 20, 2022 15:22:22 GMT
They can blackmail and strong arm their MP's all they like, the same MP's are free to cross the floor and I wouldn't be surprised if a couple go over to the Liberal Democrats.
Politics is a very fragile game, just ask Theresa May, if she didn't call an ill fated general election and agreed to join the EU Customs Union, chance are she could be in number 10 now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 18:13:59 GMT
They can blackmail and strong arm their MP's all they like, the same MP's are free to cross the floor and I wouldn't be surprised if a couple go over to the Liberal Democrats. Politics is a very fragile game, just ask Theresa May, if she didn't call an ill fated general election and agreed to join the EU Customs Union, chance are she could be in number 10 now. Very good point, there would have had to be an election by May 2020 which was in the pandemic/garden party period. Who knows when it would have taken place. Councils and Mayoral elections were pushed back until 2021 so it might have been the case. Of course without Brexit, it would have been pretty likely that George Osborne would have replaced David Cameron. Boris getting the election done in late 2019 now looks very useful otherwise we'd be coming up for an election within a few months now. But you'd have to factor Jeremy Corbyn still being Labour Leader too potentially. I always personally feel when an MP crosses over there should be a by election as the people voted for that party often not for the member. Few long term MPs who may have a large personal vote and be great constituency MPs tend to change parties unless it would happen en masse over something like Brexit. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 21, 2022 1:16:25 GMT
They say you vote for the person not the party, good pertinent example is when a MP has the whip taken away, so the person does not represent the political party they got elected with, but we elected the person not the party, is therefore a good case to have a by-election?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 21, 2022 8:27:35 GMT
They say you vote for the person not the party, good pertinent example is when a MP has the whip taken away, so the person does not represent the political party they got elected with, but we elected the person not the party, is therefore a good case to have a by-election? That would be the differences to a by-election. Think I'm in favour for by-elections for changing party. Do you go right down to parish councils for having by-elections or is this just a UK parliament thing? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 17:41:38 GMT
They say you vote for the person not the party, good pertinent example is when a MP has the whip taken away, so the person does not represent the political party they got elected with, but we elected the person not the party, is therefore a good case to have a by-election? That would be the differences to a by-election. Think I'm in favour for by-elections for changing party. Do you go right down to parish councils for having by-elections or is this just a UK parliament thing? You get by elections for local councils if a member leaves, dies, is removed. There was a fun case in Walsall recently a seat was available and there were just candidates from the two major parties. It was a safe Labour seat but during the campaign it was discovered the Lab candidate worked P/T at a local library so being a council employee couldn't take up her seat if she won (This was a genuine oversight on her part) as she wanted to retain her job. So with the election a week off and candidates declared she couldn't be replaced. If she pulled out the Tory would be elected but if she still stood she couldn't take her seat. So to save the Tory getting in on default she stood and won but vote was declared void. The seat was due to be contested at May's council elections too so would have needed to be redefended then anyway. The upshoot is a by election to elect no one cost the council 20k to run. Tories say Labour should have fielded an eligible candidate. Labour say they would have pulled out if Tories had agreed to. But when Tories said they were still standing Labour carried on to void the result to save a Labour area having a Tory councillor by default for a few months. The area is left without a councillor now until May which would have been net outcome if by election had been left until then as had been suggested. For full council elections all candidates are fully screened by the parties so this candidate's job issue would have been flagged up by a senior local party member who oversees all nominations. |
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