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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:47:43 GMT
It's very easy to single out one particular area and hunk the blame there, but the shops have only been open 12 days since 'lockdown 2' ended. So whilst they've been busy and potentially a contributing factor, they're not outright to blame. Manchester's shops have been open just as long and not seen the same reaction in case numbers as in London.
A lot of it is attitude now, fatigue and people meetings at homes due to leisure being closed. Schools playing a massive part as case numbers in younger people jump, It's a cumulative effect, as frustrating as it is.
Having seen videos of clubs open in London, busy bars and a lax attitude to distancing, cant help but some leisure has been a contributing factor here.
Cant begin to comprehend how devastating this will be theatres and arts venues who've played by the rules.
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Post by christya on Dec 14, 2020 16:52:57 GMT
Theatres should be the last places to close. Predetermined ticketed seating. Controlled entry and exit. Cleaning protocols. Masks. The venue has the name of everyone who attends. Far and away different to clubs and pubs, but they call it 'hospitality and leisure' and lump everything in together. While the schools, yet again, remain open.
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 14, 2020 16:57:48 GMT
So, and I appreciate it may be far too soon to even start contemplating this, where does this leave theatre? They closed, reopened with all the safety precautions only to close again. What more does the Government want them to do? We are back to March. Now billions more pounds of funding needs to be found and distributed, if the first round has even been shared out yet, not to mention those who have had zero financial support since March having a tiny glimmer of hope going back to work only to have theatres shut again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:58:50 GMT
A lot of it is attitude now, fatigue and people meetings at homes due to leisure being closed. Schools playing a massive part as case numbers in younger people jump, Again another demonstration as to why Tier 3 is unlikely to make any difference whatsoever - leisure is being closed, so that fatigue will only increase and drive people even more to meet in homes. Absolute basic logic and common sense yet the Government ignores it and does the opposite. It's a joke. Also, so many schools are closing due to outbreaks anyway that there really is little point in keeping them open. Yes, online learning doesn't work for everyone, but I thought the priority was to do whatever it takes to suppress the virus? Schools shouldn't be exempt from that. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 14, 2020 16:59:24 GMT
Statement about the Palladium Panto:
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Post by alece10 on Dec 14, 2020 17:24:28 GMT
Statement about the Palladium Panto: Well said. |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Dec 14, 2020 18:30:13 GMT
Unfortunately some of the reaction is putting me off the industry and many people within it. The tier system clearly has stated from the off that theatres are closed under tier 3, like they have in every other area in tier 3, so I don't know why you see all and sundry seeming shocked and appalled that they have to close like they are a special case or London is a special case. Some theatres around the country haven't opened since March. There seems to be an attitude in the industry, especially the West End/London it has to be said, that they should somehow be exempt from Caronavirus or restrictions. There are many theatres and people within the industry who have reacted to things like this with grace and sensitivity and who seem to actually understand they aren't the be all and end all and just have to follow the rules that have been set out for good reason like everybody else. I really wish more people followed their footsteps. Honestly I think some of the behaviour is shocking. Nobody is having a good time, many people and businesses are suffering, they are not the only ones, theatre isn't the most important thing in the world and should stop acting like it
That all said, it is the case there should have been a blanket approach to theatre because it can't just survive being switched on and off like that. A decision should have been made to either allow it or not allow it (to not allow it tbh) regardless of tier levels to offer that security one way or another, so I get that criticism.
ALW's statement was classy. Yes asking the questions as to why people can shop in their masses but can't go to a covid secure theatre, but acknowledging that it is correct that London is being placed into tier 3 and that the control of the virus is the most important thing. Not screaming link a banshee about how unfair it all is as if they can't believe this is happening to them or their theatre or acting like it's some political stitch up rather than a worldwide deadly virus that needs to be controlled.
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Post by sparky5000 on Dec 14, 2020 18:58:45 GMT
Unfortunately some of the reaction is putting me off the industry and many people within it. The tier system clearly has stated from the off that theatres are closed under tier 3, like they have in every other area in tier 3, so I don't know why you see all and sundry seeming shocked and appalled that they have to close like they are a special case or London is a special case. Some theatres around the country haven't opened since March. There seems to be an attitude in the industry, especially the West End/London it has to be said, that they should somehow be exempt from Caronavirus or restrictions. There are many theatres and people within the industry who have reacted to things like this with grace and sensitivity and who seem to actually understand they aren't the be all and end all and just have to follow the rules that have been set out for good reason like everybody else. I really wish more people followed their footsteps. Honestly I think some of the behaviour is shocking. Nobody is having a good time, many people and businesses are suffering, they are not the only ones, theatre isn't the most important thing in the world and should stop acting like it That all said, it is the case there should have been a blanket approach to theatre because it can't just survive being switched on and off like that. A decision should have been made to either allow it or not allow it (to not allow it tbh) regardless of tier levels to offer that security one way or another, so I get that criticism. I agree with this completely, and not helped by certain theatre stars acting like theatres are somehow being targeted, which of course they haven’t! |
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Post by Dawnstar on Dec 14, 2020 19:21:40 GMT
There seems to be an attitude in the industry, especially the West End/London it has to be said, that they should somehow be exempt from Caronavirus or restrictions. This seems to be an issue in almost every area. Every time any new restrictions are announced the media has a slew of interviews with people arguing that their particular business/hobby should be exempt from the restrictions. Only a few minutes ago I saw a headline on the Guardian's website about some footballer calling for football audiences to be exempt from Tier 3 restrictions. The problem is that if everything that calls for exemptions was exepted then there'd be no restrictions at all! |
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Post by clair on Dec 14, 2020 19:29:40 GMT
It needs to be across the board - if theatres close so should non essential shops, nail bars and so on. Either non essentials close or they don't not just some of them - I had my hair cut last week which I do as rarely as possible as I hate it but it was a small place, inside a shopping mall with no fresh air circulating and people in there for a fair period of time. Why is that safe to remain open as opposed to a theatre or football stadium? Yes, there are more people but the football stadium is open air so in that sense better than the hairdressers. I just feel there needs to be a better look at what is TRULY essential and what has become so in the entitled world we live in. Equally it seems to be defeating it's own purpose if crowds are shopping, at school, travelling to work and so on and then being allowed to gather in small, unventilated homes for five days just to ensure maximum incubation.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Dec 14, 2020 19:38:45 GMT
Also where we half of these people at when tier 3 meant that theatres in Leicester, Manchester and Birmingham ect had to cancel their re-openings when tier 3 was introduced? Where were those people so passionately pointing out now how unfair it is that shops can open but theatres can't? Or how unfair it is that shows were allowed to open or plans be made to open only for them to be dashed? As if those things are completely new and not already relevant to the theatres and teams around the country already in that position. It's strange how they only think of these things or passionate enough to have a tirade about it on social media when they happen to be impacted themselves now or it's happening in London shock horror.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 19:59:36 GMT
It needs to be across the board - if theatres close so should non essential shops, nail bars and so on. Either non essentials close or they don't not just some of them - I had my hair cut last week which I do as rarely as possible as I hate it but it was a small place, inside a shopping mall with no fresh air circulating and people in there for a fair period of time. I'm surprised they haven't closed things like nail bars and hairdressers, because those are enclosed spaces where people have to be in close contact for extended periods of time and they're certainly riskier than restaurants and shops. Masks and visors are effective for brief contacts but don't help much over ten minutes. Perhaps they're thinking that people wouldn't socialise in such places so it's less of a risk.
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Post by clair on Dec 14, 2020 20:27:12 GMT
Gosh, imagine always having space around you, no tall person's head in front of you and everyone having a great time. No more funny looks at restaurants when you ask for a table for one and people envying you being on your own - I'm not sure the world id ready for that but I sure am!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 22:08:59 GMT
Also where we half of these people at when tier 3 meant that theatres in Leicester, Manchester and Birmingham ect had to cancel their re-openings when tier 3 was introduced? Where were those people so passionately pointing out now how unfair it is that shops can open but theatres can't? Or how unfair it is that shows were allowed to open or plans be made to open only for them to be dashed? As if those things are completely new and not already relevant to the theatres and teams around the country already in that position. It's strange how they only think of these things or passionate enough to have a tirade about it on social media when they happen to be impacted themselves now or it's happening in London shock horror. I'm sure there were plenty of them up north, but a lot of people on this board and in the entertainment industry live in the South, so I'm really not sure why you're so surprised that there are more complaints today. People will generally only complain once something affects them as until they they haven't felt the effects of it. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 15, 2020 12:09:54 GMT
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 15, 2020 12:20:34 GMT
Sonia has written this article to come across as supporting the suffering of the arts industry. However the article is a wolf in sheep clothing.
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Post by vickyg on Dec 16, 2020 11:34:49 GMT
I'm pretty angry that in tier 3 I'm allowed to go to a church, mosque, synagogue etc but not an art gallery/theatre. I can't see that there is any difference in risk at all for theatre which is essentially the same set up as a church and the risk is surely less in a gallery as you can manage the number of people moving around between rooms etc. These places are so important to people's well-being and valuing religion over culture is an extremely poor decision.
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Post by lynette on Dec 16, 2020 19:26:06 GMT
I'm pretty angry that in tier 3 I'm allowed to go to a church, mosque, synagogue etc but not an art gallery/theatre. I can't see that there is any difference in risk at all for theatre which is essentially the same set up as a church and the risk is surely less in a gallery as you can manage the number of people moving around between rooms etc. These places are so important to people's well-being and valuing religion over culture is an extremely poor decision. So I am not alone. |
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Post by jojo on Dec 17, 2020 8:52:37 GMT
Unfortunately some of the reaction is putting me off the industry and many people within it. The tier system clearly has stated from the off that theatres are closed under tier 3, like they have in every other area in tier 3, so I don't know why you see all and sundry seeming shocked and appalled that they have to close like they are a special case or London is a special case. Some theatres around the country haven't opened since March. There seems to be an attitude in the industry, especially the West End/London it has to be said, that they should somehow be exempt from Caronavirus or restrictions. There are many theatres and people within the industry who have reacted to things like this with grace and sensitivity and who seem to actually understand they aren't the be all and end all and just have to follow the rules that have been set out for good reason like everybody else. I really wish more people followed their footsteps. Honestly I think some of the behaviour is shocking. Nobody is having a good time, many people and businesses are suffering, they are not the only ones, theatre isn't the most important thing in the world and should stop acting like it That all said, it is the case there should have been a blanket approach to theatre because it can't just survive being switched on and off like that. A decision should have been made to either allow it or not allow it (to not allow it tbh) regardless of tier levels to offer that security one way or another, so I get that criticism. I agree with this completely, and not helped by certain theatre stars acting like theatres are somehow being targeted, which of course they haven’t! I did hear a very well known stateswoman of the theatre complain that going on the tube and to the shops is more risky than sitting in a West End theatre, and it occurred to me that this particular person possibly didn't realise that the typical West End theatre goer will use the tube to get to the theatre, and a decent chunk will make a day of it and head to the shops and restaurants. It's not really the theatre experience bit that's of most concern - so long as it has been done properly. But rather everything else that goes with a trip to the theatre. It's still rubbish for everyone involved, and I don't blame people for feeling very 'woe is me' about it. The idea that the government should clamp down on the stuff that doesn't interest us before clamping down on the stuff that does, has been fairly universal across all parts of society over the last few months. |
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Post by alece10 on Dec 17, 2020 14:54:15 GMT
Did anyone else get a survey yesterday from ATG about theatre habits post Covid?
One question was interesting as it asked if I would be interested in attending theatre on Sundays when transport and town would be quieter.
They must be considering going down the Broadway road and having Sunday performances.
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 17, 2020 15:42:33 GMT
Did anyone else get a survey yesterday from ATG about theatre habits post Covid? One question was interesting as it asked if I would be interested in attending theatre on Sundays when transport and town would be quieter. They must be considering going down the Broadway road and having Sunday performances. I've been going to the West End on Sundays for years to see The Comedy Store Players, so the opportunity to do a two show day would be welcome! |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 17, 2020 17:15:57 GMT
My Mischief Movie Night ticket has been moved to January 16th. As eager as I am to book a two show day, I'm holding off because frankly I doubt London will be out of Tier 3 just after Christmas.
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 17, 2020 17:54:33 GMT
The pictures of everyone seated in perfectly sensible ways frustrate me a little - we all know it's about queuing, toilets, buying food and drink in the actual theatre of out and about, moving into and out of the auditorium at breaks or conclusions. And, as others say, the journey from further afield.
Sitting still for an hour or so in a mask is really the least of it.
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 29, 2020 22:09:40 GMT
Well my first gig to get rescheduled this year was Avril Lavigne in April, was meant to be in early February but is now being rescheduled again, presumably to 2022. I can see most optimistically booked gigs between now and at least April go the same way.
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