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Post by talkingheads on Jun 12, 2021 23:15:50 GMT
Our Government's attitude to theatre summed up in two tweets:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 7:04:06 GMT
So with it looking more likely there will be a further delay of lifting restrictions do people think that shows due to open will hold back or open as planned with social distancing? I guess they would have to move people around the theatre if not sold out or cancel people. Is it easier to just delay again or go ahead with reduced capacity? In the 4 week period from 21st June I have got 2 Joseph's, Cinderella and Chichester. They'll either hold back or cancel straight up I think. It'll just be devastating for hundreds of businesses and thousands of jobs.
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Post by LaLuPone on Jun 14, 2021 18:16:57 GMT
Les Mis confirmed to continue playing with social distancing into July, I’m sure Six, Jamie and the rest of the Nimax shows will be doing the same. Hairspray opening as scheduled because they’d sold it as socially distanced for the first month anyway. Heathers on the other hand have posted on Instagram that they’re unsure what the next step will be following tonight’s announcement so I guess they’d sold the show at full capacity.
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Post by Mark on Jun 14, 2021 18:35:13 GMT
I recon they should be able to go ahead here. The upper circle was never on sale and the sales were low anyhow.
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Post by jaqs on Jun 14, 2021 18:50:02 GMT
Cinderella have sent out a similar ‘we don’t know yet’ message. Which I appreciate to be honest.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 14, 2021 19:19:07 GMT
I am very impressed by how quickly The Comedy Store got in touch to say everything until the 22nd July is cancelled, no qualms refunds, exchanges or credit.
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Post by Jon on Jun 15, 2021 18:58:22 GMT
It's interesting that the theatres companies in the subsidised sector have not commented on the delay but I suppose they've got the CRF money to cushion them whereas the commercial sector with a few exceptions hasn't.
Aside from Cinderella, I wouldn't be surprised if Chichester is one of the theatres chosen for the pilot.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 16, 2021 6:11:41 GMT
Judging bt the usual Chi audience most of them will of had a jab back in the winter
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Post by viserys on Jun 17, 2021 6:03:09 GMT
I don't think this has been mentioned anywhere on this forum yet, but: www.backstage.com/magazine/article/bruce-springsteen-on-broadway-to-require-audiences-be-vaccinated-73446/According to this and many other reports, mostly from Canadian newspapers (behind paywalls): "Audiences need to be fully vaccinated, meaning two weeks after the Johnson & Johnson vaccine or two weeks after the final dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. The show is only accepting the three vaccines approved by FDA (a disappointment for any Springsteen fans that have the Astrazeneca vaccine)." So, since AstraZeneca is not FDA approved, I assume this would exclude most British and many European musical fans from attending Broadway shows even when travel to the US becomes possible again...
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 17, 2021 7:34:44 GMT
I have no problem with that. I will never understand why those who selfishly refuse to get vaccinated expect to have the same rights as the millions who are doing their bit to get us through this awful time. And yes, yes I KNOW there are some who really can't get vaccinated, but they make up such a tiny minority.
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Post by viserys on Jun 17, 2021 7:38:40 GMT
I have no problem with that. I will never understand why those who selfishly refuse to get vaccinated expect to have the same rights as the millions who are doing their bit to get us through this awful time. And yes, yes I KNOW there are some who really can't get vaccinated, but they make up such a tiny minority. Yes, but people ARE doing their bit by getting vaccinated with AstraZeneca and still can't get into Broadway theatres (and possibly ANY theatres/venues in the USA) because that particular vaccine isn't FDA-approved. Which kinda makes sense (over here we haven't approved Sputnik or Sinopharm, so don't accept vaccinations with those either) but still a bit cruel. I got Biontech/Pfizer, but people close to me got AZ, so if we'd go to New York again, it would mean, I have to go to the theatre alone...
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Post by southstreet on Jun 17, 2021 8:36:18 GMT
I hope this one is an exception to the rule, as far as I know other Broadway shows haven't announced the requirement for being vaccinated yet. But it brings up a very interesting issue, which I hadn't considered previously, about there potentially being a hierarchy of vaccines and just being vaccinated not being enough, but needing to be vaccinated with certain vaccines for certain activities/countries. I really hope they will sort that out because that would be hideous.
I had AZ and the vast majority of my friends have, too. I seriously doubt though that the US (and other places) will want to close to the door to big portions of European tourists (and from other countries that use AZ like Canada), just because AZ isn't approved (yet?) in their country. Definitely one to keep an eye on because I am planning a two week trip to NYC for October with a fellow AZ-vaccinated person.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 17, 2021 11:27:33 GMT
As if I wasn't depressed enough about having been given AstraZeneca rather than Pfizer (despite being under 40 I didn't get a choice in the matter due to circumstances). Not that I'll be going to America, but it's another indication that AstraZeneca is an inferior vaccine.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jun 17, 2021 11:56:19 GMT
AZ is not inferior. There was just more media coverage around it than the others, which have similar side effects, just not much publicity about that. Not being approved in the US because of safety concerns doesn't make the vaccination less valid. We are for the first time in this kind of situation, things are bumpy at the beginning, everything will be worked out.
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Post by firefingers on Jun 17, 2021 14:04:30 GMT
The FDA may not approve AZ for its own citizens, and their may be political reasons for that, but they may well approve it for tourists are its problem is the very small blood clot risk not its efficacy.
Though worst comes to worst you'll have to spend £50 on a private J&J jab. Annoying but when added to a week's holiday in NYC it's not insurmountable.
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Post by southstreet on Jun 17, 2021 14:17:21 GMT
I didn't realise you can buy vaccinations? Is that in the States?
But yes, I am fairly certain once they open up to European travel again, any places in the States that require vaccination proof and want tourist trade will soon include AZ as well, because it makes business sense to do so and it's a vaccine that has proven efficacy and is used all over the place. They don't want to reduce their income options based on a technicality.
.... At least that is what I very much hope as my NYC trips are pretty much theatre filled every evening and all matinee slots. LOL
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Post by Mark on Jun 17, 2021 15:27:59 GMT
Rosemary Squire on Question Time tonight so bound to be a question of some sort on the theatre industry.
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Post by firefingers on Jun 17, 2021 15:34:34 GMT
I didn't realise you can buy vaccinations? Is that in the States? You can't yet. But the UK government has 20 million doses of the J&J on order, and no one to give it to with everyone being covered by AZ, moderna and pfizer. Sell say five million to private sector at a 4x mark up, then donate the other 15 million to poor countries. UK government doesn't lose money, population that can afford to travel gets extra dose that isn't necessary unless to appease other nations, poor countries get free vaccines. A win for everyone.
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Post by lynette on Jun 17, 2021 16:31:07 GMT
Why would you want an extra does? If we need boosters after 2 doses we shall be given them. Other countries do not require more than two jabs. Do you mean vaccine for say, visiting teams or colleges that haven't had time for jabs either here or in their own countries?
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Post by firefingers on Jun 17, 2021 17:13:53 GMT
Why would you want an extra does? If we need boosters after 2 doses we shall be given them. Other countries do not require more than two jabs. Do you mean vaccine for say, visiting teams or colleges that haven't had time for jabs either here or in their own countries? As said on the article on the previous page explains, Springsteen on Broadway is requiring an FDA approved vaccine for access, so Moderna, Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson only, not for people who have had AZ, Sputnik V, CoronVac, BBIBP-CorV or the others that are still in development.
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Post by Jon on Jun 17, 2021 21:50:31 GMT
I hope this one is an exception to the rule, as far as I know other Broadway shows haven't announced the requirement for being vaccinated yet. But it brings up a very interesting issue, which I hadn't considered previously, about there potentially being a hierarchy of vaccines and just being vaccinated not being enough, but needing to be vaccinated with certain vaccines for certain activities/countries. I really hope they will sort that out because that would be hideous. I had AZ and the vast majority of my friends have, too. I seriously doubt though that the US (and other places) will want to close to the door to big portions of European tourists (and from other countries that use AZ like Canada), just because AZ isn't approved (yet?) in their country. Definitely one to keep an eye on because I am planning a two week trip to NYC for October with a fellow AZ-vaccinated person. I can't imagine other Broadway shows having such a stringent requirement, Springsteen can get away with it because there's enough fans to sell out that run who have been vaccinated within the US. You can't yet. But the UK government has 20 million doses of the J&J on order, and no one to give it to with everyone being covered by AZ, moderna and pfizer. Sell say five million to private sector at a 4x mark up, then donate the other 15 million to poor countries. UK government doesn't lose money, population that can afford to travel gets extra dose that isn't necessary unless to appease other nations, poor countries get free vaccines. A win for everyone. I'm not sure it'll they sell the J&J vaccine to the private sector as I believe they want to use it as a way of vaccinated anyone who is out of the NHS system like homeless people for example but I agree they'll donate the rest to poorer countries. The Novavax vaccine I could see some doses being sold to the private sector as it's more expensive than AZ and J&J but cheaper than Pfizer and Moderna.
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Post by lynette on Jun 17, 2021 22:57:23 GMT
Why would you want an extra does? If we need boosters after 2 doses we shall be given them. Other countries do not require more than two jabs. Do you mean vaccine for say, visiting teams or colleges that haven't had time for jabs either here or in their own countries? As said on the article on the previous page explains, Springsteen on Broadway is requiring an FDA approved vaccine for access, so Moderna, Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson only, not for people who have had AZ, Sputnik V, CoronVac, BBIBP-CorV or the others that are still in development. Thank you. But I still don't get it. If you have had two AZ s then why on earth would you want another vaccine too?
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Post by n1david on Jun 17, 2021 23:32:38 GMT
As said on the article on the previous page explains, Springsteen on Broadway is requiring an FDA approved vaccine for access, so Moderna, Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson only, not for people who have had AZ, Sputnik V, CoronVac, BBIBP-CorV or the others that are still in development. Thank you. But I still don't get it. If you have had two AZ s then why on earth would you want another vaccine too? If you wanted to see Springsteen on Broadway. Because you need to be vaxxed for that but AZ doesn't count. Many of us may not want to see that but if this becomes standard policy on Broadway then you might need to get an FDA-approved vac in addition to the ones the UK NHS has given you if you're on a trip to NYC and want to see shows there.
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Post by southstreet on Jun 18, 2021 8:19:57 GMT
If you wanted to see Springsteen on Broadway. Because you need to be vaxxed for that but AZ doesn't count. Many of us may not want to see that but if this becomes standard policy on Broadway then you might need to get an FDA-approved vac in addition to the ones the UK NHS has given you if you're on a trip to NYC and want to see shows there. I genuinely think (and hope!!!) that if other Broadway shows do require vaccinations for entry, they will broaden the spectrum of vaccines that are accepted, because they would cut off a big part of their tourist customer base otherwise. And whilst I am all for vaccines, I will definitely not take an unnecessary dose of one, just to get into a theatre.
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Post by n1david on Jun 18, 2021 8:45:11 GMT
If you wanted to see Springsteen on Broadway. Because you need to be vaxxed for that but AZ doesn't count. Many of us may not want to see that but if this becomes standard policy on Broadway then you might need to get an FDA-approved vac in addition to the ones the UK NHS has given you if you're on a trip to NYC and want to see shows there. I genuinely think (and hope!!!) that if other Broadway shows do require vaccinations for entry, they will broaden the spectrum of vaccines that are accepted, because they would cut off a big part of their tourist customer base otherwise. And whilst I am all for vaccines, I will definitely not take an unnecessary dose of one, just to get into a theatre. I agree, I'm planning a NYC trip in the New Year and given that theatre is a large reason for the trip, I expect it to be sorted by then to allow other vaccines. If not, I'll cancel my trip. And NYC needs tourists back. So I'm not too worried now.
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Post by lynette on Jun 18, 2021 16:59:11 GMT
But do we know what multiple vaccinations do to the body? Don’t say ‘whack the virus to kingdom come’ because we do not know. It is very very silly to ask people to have more than the recommended amount of vaccine. I’m thinking pregnant woman who need to have medical advice to take one lot and other medical stuff. Not to mention the ethics of it. And I’m thinking the legality - who is going to chuck out the person with the wrong vaccine? Come on guys, this is really top grade stupidity.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 18, 2021 20:56:56 GMT
But do we know what multiple vaccinations do to the body? Don’t say ‘whack the virus to kingdom come’ because we do not know. It is very very silly to ask people to have more than the recommended amount of vaccine. I’m thinking pregnant woman who need to have medical advice to take one lot and other medical stuff. Not to mention the ethics of it. And I’m thinking the legality - who is going to chuck out the person with the wrong vaccine? Come on guys, this is really top grade stupidity. Surely the legality is that if that is the theatre's policy then that is what you adhere to or you don't get in? A business can set any parameters it likes, you don't like it, you don't go there.
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Post by n1david on Jun 18, 2021 23:32:38 GMT
But do we know what multiple vaccinations do to the body? Don’t say ‘whack the virus to kingdom come’ because we do not know. It is very very silly to ask people to have more than the recommended amount of vaccine. I’m thinking pregnant woman who need to have medical advice to take one lot and other medical stuff. Not to mention the ethics of it. And I’m thinking the legality - who is going to chuck out the person with the wrong vaccine? Come on guys, this is really top grade stupidity. I wouldn't have another vaccine just to go to the theatre. But I can understand the logic behind the Springsteen show, even if I don't agree with it. For example, the Chinese vaccine, Sinovac, has had poor real-world outcomes (less than 50% protection even after two jabs) so does not provide the same level of protection as the vaccines that are approved in the UK. Same with the Russian vaccine (Sputnik?) We might think that AZ is great and Sinovac isn't and that's obvious but I can understand why theatre producers don't want to make that decision. I don't know why the FDA hasn't approved AZ compared to the others but I can understand that different vaccines have different outcomes and a theatre producer might want to delegate that decision to another body. Given the prevalance of AZ in countries who might be sending tourists to the US I expect this to be sorted before my trip, but I can understand why it's an issue at this stage as we sort things out.
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Post by properjob on Jun 19, 2021 8:13:56 GMT
A drug regulator wouldn't normally be asked to give a judgement on whether a drug or treatment is effective without also looking at any neagtive side effects but they clearly could. The problem is that persumably normally the drugs makers pays for the work and have no incentive to do so if they are going to get to make the money back through sales. The US tourist industry needs to lobby the US government to get the FDA to make that assessment on other vaccines used around the world.
It is possible we (in the UK and maybe elsewhere) might get a third jab anyway as I belive there are some studies going on into the value of mix and matching a third jab to boost immunity. Depending on the outcome of those trials and the evolution of the virus it is possible that it might be rolled out.
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