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Post by HereForTheatre on Jan 6, 2021 12:13:37 GMT
I'm starting to think that theatre won't be back up and running in a non socially distanced way even in the summer. If you look at what is being said it's that the tier system will be resumed after the lockdown at the end of March even with all the most vulnerable people being vaccinated. So we are looking at going back into the high tiers and slowly moving down them, there isn't really a mention of getting back to normal in terms of returning to normal life without social distancing and masks, and we need at least the removal of social distancing to get theatres back and for life to feel more like normal life. When is that going to happen? In time for summer, It doesn't sound like it.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 6, 2021 12:25:22 GMT
I'm starting to think that theatre won't be back up and running in a non socially distanced way even in the summer. If you look at what is being said it's that the tier system will be resumed after the lockdown at the end of March even with all the most vulnerable people being vaccinated. So we are looking at going back into the high tiers and slowly moving down them, there isn't really a mention of getting back to normal in terms of returning to normal life without social distancing and masks, and we need at least the removal of social distancing to get theatres back and for life to feel more like normal life. When is that going to happen? In time for summer, It doesn't sound like it. I agree. With a few more gigs now rescheduled, I have nothing entertainment wise to look forward to until September, which I think is a reasonable estimate, not least because I think that is probably the maximum that people will be able to stand social distancing. It is much easier to manage lockdown with an end in sight, even if it is as vague as the end of the year. |
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Post by theatreian on Jan 7, 2021 9:31:35 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 10, 2021 8:36:29 GMT
The Tories really do actively seem to be trying to destroy the lives of working artists from the ground up:
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Post by theatreian on Jan 14, 2021 23:31:48 GMT
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Post by theatreian on Jan 22, 2021 10:20:37 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 22, 2021 10:29:04 GMT
There is no way it's being released this year. And that's assuming there are cinemas left to show it in, it isn't like they can just magically open back up, especially given that at the rate the vaccine is being rolled out (by this Government at least) I can't see the population all being vaccinated before Christmas. |
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Post by theatreian on Jan 22, 2021 10:39:31 GMT
I think the roll out here of the vaccine is going pretty well. Certainly compared to most other countries anyway. I am sure everyone would have had their first vaccine at least by the autumn the way things are being stepped up. This government has got a lot wrong with this pandemic, but the vaccine effort in my view is one they have got right.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jan 22, 2021 10:46:30 GMT
The whole population doesn't need to be vaccinated in order for the restrictions to be lifted though. I'd do it as soon as the top 8 groups have been done. There has to be an element of risk accepted, it seems absurd to me we would genuinely wait for every single person who wants a jab to get one before we open back up fully again.
Anyway, the roll out seems to be going quite well actually so in any case I think that the vast majority of the population will be jabbed before the end of summer anyhow.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 22, 2021 10:49:11 GMT
The whole population doesn't need to be vaccinated in order for the restrictions to be lifted though. I'd do it as soon as the top 8 groups have been done. There has to be an element of risk accepted, it seems absurd to me we would genuinely wait for every single person who wants a jab to get one before we open back up fully again. I suppose the test will be when enough of the population are vaccinated, whether the vaccinated still test positive or not. I am feeling a lot more positive about shows though, especially with the immediate tests they say could be put in place for audiences, that wouldn't even require vaccination. As long as you test negative, you can go in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 11:16:49 GMT
especially given that at the rate the vaccine is being rolled out (by this Government at least) 67 million people is a lot of people. If they were vaccinating one person each second it would take 4¼ years to give everyone two doses. They're doing pretty well under the circumstances. The whole population doesn't need to be vaccinated in order for the restrictions to be lifted though. I'd do it as soon as the top 8 groups have been done. They'll need to do quite a lot of the population. This isn't the sort of vaccine that makes you immune. All it does is give you a head start in fighting off the disease. If the vaccine gives 80% protection to the vulnerable but relaxing restrictions makes infection 10 times more common among everyone else then the vulnerable will face twice the risk. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 11:44:43 GMT
They'll need to do quite a lot of the population. This isn't the sort of vaccine that makes you immune. All it does is give you a head start in fighting off the disease. If the vaccine gives 80% protection to the vulnerable but relaxing restrictions makes infection 10 times more common among everyone else then the vulnerable will face twice the risk. The aim is not to eliminate the risk to the vulnerable (or everyone else) though, it is to ensure case levels are manageable for hospitals. That is the test, not whether anyone will still get the disease. Having the vaccine is as protected as anyone reasonably can be in terms of external action. The rest is up to the individual in terms of how much they decide they can socialise etc. People have to take that element of responsibility themselves. Once the vulnerable are vaccinated, then unless hospitals are still overwhelmed there is no reason whatsoever not to start opening up. The virus isn't going to disappear overnight and people need to manage their own risks. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 22, 2021 11:53:40 GMT
They'll need to do quite a lot of the population. This isn't the sort of vaccine that makes you immune. All it does is give you a head start in fighting off the disease. If the vaccine gives 80% protection to the vulnerable but relaxing restrictions makes infection 10 times more common among everyone else then the vulnerable will face twice the risk. The aim is not to eliminate the risk to the vulnerable (or everyone else) though, it is to ensure case levels are manageable for hospitals. That is the test, not whether anyone will still get the disease. Having the vaccine is as protected as anyone reasonably can be in terms of external action. The rest is up to the individual in terms of how much they decide they can socialise etc. People have to take that element of responsibility themselves. Once the vulnerable are vaccinated, then unless hospitals are still overwhelmed there is no reason whatsoever not to start opening up. The virus isn't going to disappear overnight and people need to manage their own risks. It isn't as simple as that though. If the disease can still be spread after vaccination, then people are still going to be very cautious about mixing, which means that opening up could spell economic disaster, if places are expected to open but with a lot less footfall. |
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Post by Mark on Jan 22, 2021 12:55:24 GMT
The aim is not to eliminate the risk to the vulnerable (or everyone else) though, it is to ensure case levels are manageable for hospitals. That is the test, not whether anyone will still get the disease. Having the vaccine is as protected as anyone reasonably can be in terms of external action. The rest is up to the individual in terms of how much they decide they can socialise etc. People have to take that element of responsibility themselves. Once the vulnerable are vaccinated, then unless hospitals are still overwhelmed there is no reason whatsoever not to start opening up. The virus isn't going to disappear overnight and people need to manage their own risks. It isn't as simple as that though. If the disease can still be spread after vaccination, then people are still going to be very cautious about mixing, which means that opening up could spell economic disaster, if places are expected to open but with a lot less footfall. I think there wil be enough people willing to get their lives back that businesses can open and do well. |
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Post by christya on Jan 22, 2021 13:02:15 GMT
I think there wil be enough people willing to get their lives back that businesses can open and do well. Agreed - and really, what's the alternative? Keep closed permanently? It's already dragged on for far too long. Once the vaccinations are rolled out to a reasonable extent and the pressure on the NHS is eased, there's really no excuse for carrying on with lockdowns and closures. There has to be a point where we simply say "This is as good as it's going to get, time to get on with it". |
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Post by Mark on Jan 22, 2021 13:04:54 GMT
I think there wil be enough people willing to get their lives back that businesses can open and do well. Agreed - and really, what's the alternative? Keep closed permanently? It's already dragged on for far too long. Once the vaccinations are rolled out to a reasonable extent and the pressure on the NHS is eased, there's really no excuse for carrying on with lockdowns and closures. There has to be a point where we simply say "This is as good as it's going to get, time to get on with it". Precisely. We must not and cannot wait until everyone is vaccinated before getting our lives back. The lockdown is about pressure on the NHS, and once this pressure subsides and becomes managable, we must open up. Come March, I can see there being huge pressure on the government to get the country open from businesses. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 22, 2021 13:05:03 GMT
I think there wil be enough people willing to get their lives back that businesses can open and do well. Agreed - and really, what's the alternative? Keep closed permanently? It's already dragged on for far too long. Once the vaccinations are rolled out to a reasonable extent and the pressure on the NHS is eased, there's really no excuse for carrying on with lockdowns and closures. There has to be a point where we simply say "This is as good as it's going to get, time to get on with it". I think your thinking is right, but you may be a month or six weeks too early |
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Post by kathryn on Jan 22, 2021 16:32:30 GMT
especially given that at the rate the vaccine is being rolled out (by this Government at least) 67 million people is a lot of people. If they were vaccinating one person each second it would take 4¼ years to give everyone two doses. They're doing pretty well under the circumstances. The whole population doesn't need to be vaccinated in order for the restrictions to be lifted though. I'd do it as soon as the top 8 groups have been done. They'll need to do quite a lot of the population. This isn't the sort of vaccine that makes you immune. All it does is give you a head start in fighting off the disease. If the vaccine gives 80% protection to the vulnerable but relaxing restrictions makes infection 10 times more common among everyone else then the vulnerable will face twice the risk. You can knock the under-18s off the total - that's c.13 million, so that helps - they can be vaccinated as they become adults. Once they have jabbed everyone likely to get seriously ill (which unfortunately is a huge percentage of the population, because the disease is just so weird and interacts with other conditions in so many different ways) then the immediate pressure is off on mixing. But there is the risk of onward transmission persisting in a way that allows more mutations, leading to vaccine-resistant strains. The data on whether vaccination actually prevents onward transmission as well as the disease is going to be really crucial to figuring out what we'll need to do long-term. |
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Post by theatreian on Jan 25, 2021 13:20:27 GMT
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Jan 30, 2021 9:51:09 GMT
Is contactless essential, Kim_Bahorel , or could you get by with a chip and pin card? If the latter, what about a Splash card. It's a bit complicated to begin with, but nothing insurmountable. There are no credit checks and, unlike the Post Office card, you don't need a passport or driving licence, though I think you do need to be on the electoral roll. The fees could be lower, so it's probably best if used sparingly, but if it stops you from becoming financially excluded, it may be worth investigating further. Even if theatres go completely cashless, you should be able to book tickets online, and probably in person once BOs reopen in due course. www.splashplastic.comBTW, I have no connection with Splash, just a TB friend trying to help. 🙂 Been trying to get one of these cards and all it keeps telling me is that my application was unsuccessful. 😔 |
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Post by stevej678 on Feb 15, 2021 18:07:34 GMT
Theatres got a mention from the Prime Minister at today's Downing Street briefing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 21:14:18 GMT
Theatres got a mention from the Prime Minister at today's Downing Street briefing. So is he going to provide rapid flow test centres for all of us then? Some of us won't be eligible for the vaccine until late summer/early autumn and I suspect there will be a fairly direct correlation between those of us in that boat and those who are most inclined to be willing to take the risk of going back to the theatre sooner than others. But I won't be doing it if I have to pay an extra £100 or more for a test! |
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Post by crowblack on Feb 15, 2021 21:30:36 GMT
But I won't be doing it if I have to pay an extra £100 or more for a test! Yes, unless they make tests very cheap / free it'll make many artforms prohibitively expensive for young people on lower incomes. |
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 15, 2021 22:11:35 GMT
Well as I'm not likely to be vaccinated until September at the earliest that's my hopes of going to summer shows knackered then. If it's a legal requirement then tests should be made either free or cheap. Also I can only assume then that only the vaccinated/those who undergo compulsory testing will be allowed into pubs when they reopen? Thought not.
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Post by princeton on Feb 15, 2021 22:59:32 GMT
Lateral flow tests for people showing no symptoms of Covid-19 are provided free by lots of local authorities at the moment. I believe that all London boroughs are doing them. Some are prioritising those who aren't working from home but most seem to be open to all. I have one every week - and get an e-mail/text with the result within 30-60 minutes. In Central London, Westminster are doing them with no appointment required and open to anyone regardless of whether they live or work in the borough. Obviously there's no guarantee that someone hasn't had the test and then come into contact with Covid-19 immediately afterwards - but having a text/email confirmation that you have taken a test which is negative earlier that day could be a good starting point. You can check whether your local authority is doing them here: www.gov.uk/find-covid-19-lateral-flow-test-siteAnd here's a map of the London testing centres (I hope the link works): westminster.maps.test-and-trace.nhs.uk/findatestcenter.html |
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