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Post by fiyero on Nov 23, 2020 20:42:49 GMT
I’m hoping they add more performances and ask for volunteers to move but that would be an admin heavy task!
There’s no easy answer to this!
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Post by princeton on Nov 23, 2020 21:12:10 GMT
I think it's quite possible that the producer of Les Miserables will threaten to cancel the entire run, given how much money will be lost playing to a significantly reduced audience. In this instance I think he's got a point especially given that planning for the reopening was done in line with the original covid guidelines for performance venues (albeit that they were a bit wooly). He's also got a track record of threatening to close shows if he doesn't get his way. However I don't think the government will bat an eyelid or move on this - despite what I think are genuine attempts by the Culture Secretary to do what he can. His colleagues around the Cabinet table could be, at best, described as cultural philistines.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 21:15:33 GMT
I’m hoping they add more performances and ask for volunteers to move but that would be an admin heavy task! There’s no easy answer to this! There's the financial implication of reducing the capacity from 70% to 50%. Cameron has already said: To comply with regulations the theatre's capacity has to be reduced to just over 750 seats. The authors and theatre have waived their royalties and rent to give the show a chance to break even and our leading artists have all agreed to work for appreciably less than their normal salaries.Is running with just 500 seats sold financially viable? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 22:08:49 GMT
Or would they cancel upper circle and cheaper seats? They aren't going to cancel the premium seat holders as would lose more money. Or they could ask how many times you went to the theatre last year and anyone with 1 or less trips is booted out first.  Well I'm damned that way as well as I have two Upper Circle tickets! I like your other suggestion though! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 22:31:51 GMT
I’m hoping they add more performances and ask for volunteers to move but that would be an admin heavy task! There’s no easy answer to this! There are only a few options, as far as I can see...
Cancel, refund everyone, don’t rescheduleCancel, refund everyone, put dates back on sale with reduced capacity Reschedule to 2021 sometime and try to move as many as possible to the new dates What a nightmare. So disappointed for the people whose lives and careers depend on theatres running. |
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 23, 2020 23:22:45 GMT
I’m hoping they add more performances and ask for volunteers to move but that would be an admin heavy task! There’s no easy answer to this! There are only a few options, as far as I can see...
Cancel, refund everyone, don’t rescheduleCancel, refund everyone, put dates back on sale with reduced capacity Reschedule to 2021 sometime and try to move as many as possible to the new dates What a nightmare. So disappointed for the people whose lives and careers depend on theatres running. The fairest way has to be to cancel then put tickets back on sale. To take away the cheap seats would quite rightly cause a huge outcry and accusations of classism. And the admin of moving people to new dates is just impractical and time consuming. |
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 30, 2020 15:53:41 GMT
The email sent out by Cameron Mackintosh telling ticketholders their booking is cancelled:
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 30, 2020 16:46:56 GMT
Despite Bill Kenwright's company receiving over £1.5 million from the cultural recovery fund, it's interesting, to me if nobody else, that CamMack doesn't consider him to be a leading producer.
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Post by n1david on Nov 30, 2020 17:24:52 GMT
Despite Bill Kenwright's company receiving over £1.5 million from the cultural recovery fund, it's interesting, to me if nobody else, that CamMack doesn't consider him to be a leading producer. Has it actually been paid yet? That could explain the phrasing "the entire commercial sector has received less than 1% thus far" - in that it's been awarded but not yet reached the recipient? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 18:16:13 GMT
There are only a few options, as far as I can see...
Cancel, refund everyone, don’t rescheduleCancel, refund everyone, put dates back on sale with reduced capacity Reschedule to 2021 sometime and try to move as many as possible to the new dates What a nightmare. So disappointed for the people whose lives and careers depend on theatres running. The fairest way has to be to cancel then put tickets back on sale. To take away the cheap seats would quite rightly cause a huge outcry and accusations of classism. And the admin of moving people to new dates is just impractical and time consuming. And the cheap seats cancellation is exactly what they've done - even to the point of getting rid of them all and putting more expensive house seats on sale for the same dates! They are rivalling the government for incompetence on this... |
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Post by princeton on Nov 30, 2020 18:30:47 GMT
Given that Cameron MackintoshLtd/DMT have pretty much done their own thing, and to their own timescales, throughout this pandemic - to the irritation of other producers/theatre owners who have been trying to present a united front with some joined-up thinking - I'm not sure that the research will have been much more than - we didn't got it and we're the best so no one else will have. If indeed they applied in the first place - lots of commercial companies possibly didn't as they are not used to a grant application process (I don't know the criteria so I've no idea whether this is the case).
Cameron has been holding fast to the line that what little care and money there has been for the arts has all been for the subsidised sector - even though as we see producers such as BK and production such as & Juliet got funding from the CRF - and of course National Lottery funding is propping up the QDOS pantos. Interesting his one show to re-open originated in the subsidised sector - though I suspect the RSC gets little or nothing since he ditched the original production.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 30, 2020 18:48:50 GMT
Despite Bill Kenwright's company receiving over £1.5 million from the cultural recovery fund, it's interesting, to me if nobody else, that CamMack doesn't consider him to be a leading producer. Has it actually been paid yet? That could explain the phrasing "the entire commercial sector has received less than 1% thus far" - in that it's been awarded but not yet reached the recipient? Where's the money Bill? |
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 30, 2020 20:34:52 GMT
The fairest way has to be to cancel then put tickets back on sale. To take away the cheap seats would quite rightly cause a huge outcry and accusations of classism. And the admin of moving people to new dates is just impractical and time consuming. And the cheap seats cancellation is exactly what they've done - even to the point of getting rid of them all and putting more expensive house seats on sale for the same dates! They are rivalling the government for incompetence on this... It's a damning indictment for sure. Especially how that letter dwells on complaining about billionaire Macintosh not getting any money from the fund, doesn't look good. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 1, 2020 8:39:02 GMT
The Royal Exchange manchester appear to have had their £2.85m. They emailed about it yesterday alluding to exciting plans for next Spring and beyond.
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Post by theatreian on Dec 1, 2020 10:41:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 10:52:54 GMT
The BBC thinks otherwise: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55143484(The story in The Mail mentions that the government has no plans in this direction, but only in the final paragraph where all the people who are already frothing with outrage won't see it.) |
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Post by partytentdown on Dec 1, 2020 11:05:25 GMT
Anything on this website is essentially made up and designed to encourage as much outrage as possible. I'd also advise against clicking Daily Mail links as their cookies will then be saved on your browser and you'll be retargeted with their ads/content and ads they endorse, and the clicks drive their site traffic stats which continue to convince advertisers that its an organisation worthy of support (which it isn't). |
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Post by stevej678 on Dec 1, 2020 11:31:10 GMT
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Post by zahidf on Dec 2, 2020 14:35:10 GMT
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Post by firefingers on Dec 2, 2020 16:10:21 GMT
I do wonder what the effect of global tourism will have in London on the return of theatre. Will people be reluctant to travel? Will countries without vaccine programmes be on quaretine lists etc. The West End is so reliant on tourists I wonder if even when permitted to run at capacity the audience wont be there, particularly for the tourist heavy long runners.
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Post by lichtie on Dec 2, 2020 16:37:04 GMT
Even if the events industry are back to "normal" by Easter (doubtful I'd have said - start of summer maybe at a push since normal means no distancing etc), global travel won't be for a long time. There may be more tourists in London next year, but the hotel prices suggest they're not expecting to be overwhelmed...
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Post by TallPaul on Dec 3, 2020 12:28:13 GMT
What we may see initially is a 'soft' re-opening. Members will obviously know more, but both Equity and Bectu have agreed to a temporary variation to their agreements with SOLT that allows for five show weeks, rather than eight, with pro-rating of pay, plus no Sunday premium.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 14:10:54 GMT
What we may see initially is a 'soft' re-opening. Members will obviously know more, but both Equity and Bectu have agreed to a temporary variation to their agreements with SOLT that allows for five show weeks, rather than eight, with pro-rating of pay, plus no Sunday premium. Great! Perhaps this could pave the way for more Sunday matinees to replace quiet Monday evenings. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 3, 2020 14:21:55 GMT
What we may see initially is a 'soft' re-opening. Members will obviously know more, but both Equity and Bectu have agreed to a temporary variation to their agreements with SOLT that allows for five show weeks, rather than eight, with pro-rating of pay, plus no Sunday premium. Great! Perhaps this could pave the way for more Sunday matinees to replace quiet Monday evenings. Agreed. Monday is a terrible night to go the theatre |
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Post by southstreet on Dec 3, 2020 14:31:41 GMT
I do love a Monday night at the theatre, makes the start of the working week less dreary when I know there will be some theatre at the end of the day. But I also do love a Sunday matinee. :-)
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