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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 17:52:04 GMT
I presume in many cases this reflects what they applied for. The one that surprised me is the Menier getting £831K.
I'd be interested to see the list of organisations that applied and weren't succesful.
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 12, 2020 18:00:04 GMT
Forgive me if this is in the actual report, which I'm afraid to download on my phone, but do we know how much each organisation applied for versus how much they were awarded?
The email I received from the Stephen Joseph Theatre reads like the 'investment' must be spent on a specific project, rather than just on general running costs. "It will allow us to invest in in-depth audience development work and to explore ways in which we can make our work available to more people..."
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Post by christya on Oct 12, 2020 19:50:07 GMT
It looks as though that's only the places that received less than a million. Some places might be missing because they'll eventually receive more.
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Post by Figaro on Oct 12, 2020 20:34:17 GMT
Does anyone know how the new tiers affect theatres? Manchester is dangerously close to Liverpool, which is in tier 3!
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Post by princeton on Oct 12, 2020 22:11:22 GMT
whilst tiny charity Hope Mill received nothing. Hope Mill applied under "The Factory of Creativity" and got £150,000. This is the first tranche - there's another £1 million and under batch to be announced, and also the over £1 million grants. I believe that some of the decisions were based on what public funding an organisations was already in receipt of - and how well they had managed that particular revenue stream. The organisations I know, which aren't on the ACE National Portfolio, got exactly what they had applied for (and were both delighted and surprised). There were, as mentioned above, lots of anomalies with one of the most bizarre being The Turbine Theatre grant coming via the ACE Midlands pot. I know it's a hike to the nearest tube but.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 7:48:52 GMT
whilst tiny charity Hope Mill received nothing. Hope Mill applied under "The Factory of Creativity" and got £150,000. This is the first tranche - there's another £1 million and under batch to be announced, and also the over £1 million grants. Ah wasn't included in CRF Round 1 docs. That explains how they're affording to stream Rent internationally then! haha
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 13, 2020 8:20:49 GMT
Interesting piece of trivia as to the caveats of the funding:
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Post by HereForTheatre on Oct 13, 2020 8:44:14 GMT
Don't see an issue. They are being asked to acknowledge the funding and welcome it and put out a press release, well why wouldn't they. Those are all standard things. If any organisation has a problem doing that (or wasn't already going to) after receiving a gift of hundreds of thousands of pounds then that is quite something.
Just like Fatima another story is being made out of nothing here as a beating stick.
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Post by olliebean on Oct 13, 2020 9:32:03 GMT
Don't see an issue. They are being asked to acknowledge the funding and welcome it and put out a press release, well why wouldn't they. Those are all standard things. If any organisation has a problem doing that (or wasn't already going to) after receiving a gift of hundreds of thousands of pounds then that is quite something. Just like Fatima another story is being made out of nothing here as a beating stick. Indeed, I'm sure many of the organisations receiving funding would publicly acknowledge and welcome it without being asked, and most of the rest would as well if asked politely, but making it a mandatory condition isn't a good look.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 13, 2020 10:14:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 10:16:25 GMT
Don't see an issue. They are being asked to acknowledge the funding and welcome it and put out a press release, well why wouldn't they. Those are all standard things. If any organisation has a problem doing that (or wasn't already going to) after receiving a gift of hundreds of thousands of pounds then that is quite something. Just like Fatima another story is being made out of nothing here as a beating stick. Indeed, I'm sure many of the organisations receiving funding would publicly acknowledge and welcome it without being asked, and most of the rest would as well if asked politely, but making it a mandatory condition isn't a good look. Really? If anything that's an uncommonly relaxed set of conditions. Compare it with the requirements involved with commercial sponsorship, which can involve things like renaming your organisation and including the sponsor's logo in every single thing you do.
Complaining that free money comes with a trivial condition isn't a good look for the entertainment industry.
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Post by olliebean on Oct 13, 2020 10:36:34 GMT
Indeed, I'm sure many of the organisations receiving funding would publicly acknowledge and welcome it without being asked, and most of the rest would as well if asked politely, but making it a mandatory condition isn't a good look. Really? If anything that's an uncommonly relaxed set of conditions. Compare it with the requirements involved with commercial sponsorship, which can involve things like renaming your organisation and including the sponsor's logo in every single thing you do.
Complaining that free money comes with a trivial condition isn't a good look for the entertainment industry.
Of course, because the raison d'être of commercial sponsorship is to promote the sponsor. Is it usual for governmental crisis support funding to come with such stipulations?
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 13, 2020 10:38:29 GMT
I just thought it smacked a little of the Government saying 'Be thankful plebs' as though funding the arts was a privilege instead of the necessity that it is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 12:17:50 GMT
I just thought it smacked a little of the Government saying 'Be thankful plebs' as though funding the arts was a privilege instead of the necessity that it is. Well it can be both necessary and a privilege at the same time - money doesn't grow on trees, despite some people seeming to think that the government can just keep creating a bigger national deficit without any consequences, so even though for many reasons funding the arts is crucial, it is still money that doesn't have to be allocated there. So in that sense it is a privilege, not a right, same with funding for absolutely anything else.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 13, 2020 12:24:55 GMT
Were the same conditions put in place when the government bailed out other types of companies and organisations earlier this year I wonder.
Also do the many companies owned by Conservative donors and friends of the cabinet/Dominic Cummings that they've handed over billions to for little result so far during this crisis also have to acknowledge the money on their website.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 13, 2020 13:21:56 GMT
I just thought it smacked a little of the Government saying 'Be thankful plebs' as though funding the arts was a privilege instead of the necessity that it is. Well it can be both necessary and a privilege at the same time - money doesn't grow on trees, despite some people seeming to think that the government can just keep creating a bigger national deficit without any consequences, so even though for many reasons funding the arts is crucial, it is still money that doesn't have to be allocated there. So in that sense it is a privilege, not a right, same with funding for absolutely anything else. I would argue that at this stage, it is clear the economy is absolutely, unequivocally well on it's way to being destroyed - whether they spend another 5 billion or 500 billion, there comes a point where it's just numbers on a screen. If they'd dealt with the virus properly first time with track and trace then there might have been a chance to save it, but now we'll spend billions more than was necessary. I'm not even sure if the economy can be saved properly until the vaccine.
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Post by jojo on Oct 13, 2020 14:33:49 GMT
So long as they aren't required to display North Korean style enthusiasm for the government, or expect a veto on any new material, I don't see the problem with acknowledging where some of the funding came from.
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Post by Jan on Oct 13, 2020 14:43:43 GMT
So long as they aren't required to display North Korean style enthusiasm for the government, or expect a veto on any new material, I don't see the problem with acknowledging where some of the funding came from. Indeed this is such a common requirement it is clear people are only objecting to it because they don’t like the government. Theatres in receipt of ACE funding are required to emblazon the fact on all their publications, and likewise my local theatre also adds thanks to the local (Labour) council for funding. The most heavy-handed of the lot is the EU who have a formidable list of promotional requirements when they hand out money for artistic, cultural, or infrastructure projects - the latter usually requiring a concrete monument, explanatory panel and the EU flag in permanent enamel to commemorate their largesse - if you travel much in Southern Europe you’ll see lots. If people are complaining about all of these then fine, but I suspect they’re not. None of them bother me particularly.
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Post by olliebean on Oct 13, 2020 17:06:45 GMT
I think it's the requirement to big up the scheme on social media that's unusual (or maybe it isn't; not being a part of the industry, I don't really know). I reacted to it in much the same way as I react when a business makes a similar requirement of me in order to receive some benefit or discount: that's my personal Twitter/Facebook account, and I'm damned if I'm going to let myself be turned into a shill. But I can see that for a commercial account which is mostly used promotionally in any case, it would be less of an imposition.
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Post by Jan on Oct 14, 2020 6:57:34 GMT
I think it's the requirement to big up the scheme on social media that's unusual ..... but I can see that for a commercial account which is mostly used promotionally in any case, it would be less of an imposition. Social media requirements are not that unusual, the EU require it for certain of their funded projects. One prominent fringe theatre has in the past used their official Twitter account to directly attack the government on political matters unrelated to theatre so it might be an imposition for them - but oddly enough I can't find them on the list of recipients. It's always open for theatres to refuse the money on a matter of principle, like the RSC refused money from BP. Some of the amounts on the list are staggering. Orange Tree £770,000. Really ?
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Post by theatreian on Oct 14, 2020 8:23:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 12:29:46 GMT
Is it, at the end of the day, taxpayers’ money? If so, they should be quite happy to say thank you, surely?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 17:24:26 GMT
Is it, at the end of the day, taxpayers’ money? If so, they should be quite happy to say thank you, surely? You could say that, but the very reasonable point others have made is that other industries have not had the same stipulation imposed on their grants. The Government came under a huge amount of criticism for such a slow response with financial assistance after preventing the Arts industry from conducting any business. The requirement that organisations publicise the funding they have received seems to me like a pitiful attempt at saving face. Organisations themselves are feeling put out by it too. The proviso also means effectively endorsing the government as they have to put HM Government branded logos on their websites and social media channels. This is the only UK industry being forced into this.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 15, 2020 6:53:51 GMT
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Post by Jan on Oct 15, 2020 8:46:58 GMT
Is it, at the end of the day, taxpayers’ money? If so, they should be quite happy to say thank you, surely? The proviso also means effectively endorsing the government as they have to put HM Government branded logos on their websites and social media channels. This is the only UK industry being forced into this. That's not true. Restaurants had to use government branded logos too for Eat Out to Help Out - but it seems they didn't have such an over-developed sense of entitlement that they complained about it. Subsidised theatre treads a fine line - it expects 100% of UK taxpayers to fund a minority interest that is accessed by a vanishingly small percentage of them - best not to annoy them with displays of childish petulance by refusing to say "Thank you". As I said, they had the option of not accepting the money, and it seems that several did.
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