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Post by talkingheads on Oct 6, 2020 11:02:03 GMT
I haven't been able to save much on account of there being no work and little hope of getting any this year.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 6, 2020 11:16:32 GMT
A lot of money to be honest. I had 16 shows booked and cancelled with the most expensive one being given £120. Plus all the money on restaurants as usually eat before a show. My holiday was cancelled which was about £1500 and I've not really been shopping so no impulse buys and hardly any clothes as there is nowhere to go to wear them. All together a few thousand pounds but I'd rather have no money and be happy than lots of money and be living through Covid.
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Post by CG on the loose on Oct 6, 2020 11:27:07 GMT
I haven't done the maths properly, but with 43 shows cancelled and many more never booked, plus travel / meals / drinks at theatre bar prices / hotels etc, it's got to be over £5,000. As others have, I've channeled some of that back into donations to theatres and associated charities, tickets for streamed events, etc, but still a significant amount saved. Would much rather have spent it in my usual manner!
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Post by clair on Oct 6, 2020 11:30:46 GMT
I've saved nothing, in fact I now have less money - previously my salary just about covered the bills and the overtime paid for theatre, concerts etc. Now there's no overtime and a 20% paycut so am struggling with the bills let alone anything else!
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Oct 6, 2020 15:41:20 GMT
Just out of interest, has anyone else worked out what they have saved by not having access to theatre and culture over the past 7 months? I mean we would all rather it was there, for many reasons, but I was working it out yesterday and I think that by the time theatre resumes in any way normally, which I imagine will be spring (and I'm not risking it on the whole before then) , I think I will have saved upwards of 4 thousand pounds on tickets, travel, accommodation, food, drinks and merch ect. It's actually scary to me that's how much I spend. I never even batted an eyelid about the costs of going to the theatre/events until I worked this out. When I was off work I saved more now I am back at work and on minimal hours not so much. Saying that the chance of me going to see a show again if they decide to all go contactless is zero. I have not got and can't get a debit card. If I was able it would probably be one of those basic ones without contact payment. But I can't even get one of those either. I just REALLY wish it wasn't Pretty Women as the last thing I saw. I wouldn't have minded but only went for one actor and he was off that day.
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Post by fiyero on Oct 6, 2020 15:49:55 GMT
Just out of interest, has anyone else worked out what they have saved by not having access to theatre and culture over the past 7 months? I mean we would all rather it was there, for many reasons, but I was working it out yesterday and I think that by the time theatre resumes in any way normally, which I imagine will be spring (and I'm not risking it on the whole before then) , I think I will have saved upwards of 4 thousand pounds on tickets, travel, accommodation, food, drinks and merch ect. It's actually scary to me that's how much I spend. I never even batted an eyelid about the costs of going to the theatre/events until I worked this out. When I was off work I saved more now I am back at work and on minimal hours not so much. Saying that the chance of me going to see a show again if they decide to all go contactless is zero. I have not got and can't get a debit card. If I was able it would probably be one of those basic ones without contact payment. But I can't even get one of those either. I just REALLY wish it wasn't Pretty Women as the last thing I saw. I wouldn't have minded but only went for one actor and he was off that day. It’s worth looking into the pre-pay debit cards. A lot have contactless now, I have one as a backup card. They all have slightly different rules but it’s an option. I don’t think the theatres will go truly contactless though, but who knows!
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Oct 6, 2020 19:13:03 GMT
When I was off work I saved more now I am back at work and on minimal hours not so much. Saying that the chance of me going to see a show again if they decide to all go contactless is zero. I have not got and can't get a debit card. If I was able it would probably be one of those basic ones without contact payment. But I can't even get one of those either. I just REALLY wish it wasn't Pretty Women as the last thing I saw. I wouldn't have minded but only went for one actor and he was off that day. It’s worth looking into the pre-pay debit cards. A lot have contactless now, I have one as a backup card. They all have slightly different rules but it’s an option. I don’t think the theatres will go truly contactless though, but who knows! I have looked you either need a card to be able to use it or pay for it or they use credit checks and because I fail so I need to supply a passport which I don't have. I have looked at them all tried to apply and was blocked.
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 7, 2020 11:51:54 GMT
Is contactless essential, Kim_Bahorel, or could you get by with a chip and pin card? If the latter, what about a Splash card. It's a bit complicated to begin with, but nothing insurmountable. There are no credit checks and, unlike the Post Office card, you don't need a passport or driving licence, though I think you do need to be on the electoral roll. The fees could be lower, so it's probably best if used sparingly, but if it stops you from becoming financially excluded, it may be worth investigating further. Even if theatres go completely cashless, you should be able to book tickets online, and probably in person once BOs reopen in due course. www.splashplastic.comBTW, I have no connection with Splash, just a TB friend trying to help. 🙂
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Oct 7, 2020 20:26:54 GMT
Is contactless essential, Kim_Bahorel, or could you get by with a chip and pin card? If the latter, what about a Splash card. It's a bit complicated to begin with, but nothing insurmountable. There are no credit checks and, unlike the Post Office card, you don't need a passport or driving licence, though I think you do need to be on the electoral roll. The fees could be lower, so it's probably best if used sparingly, but if it stops you from becoming financially excluded, it may be worth investigating further. Even if theatres go completely cashless, you should be able to book tickets online, and probably in person once BOs reopen in due course. www.splashplastic.comBTW, I have no connection with Splash, just a TB friend trying to help. 🙂 hey cool I hadn't heard of that one I will give it ago. Can you use it online?
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 9, 2020 16:15:36 GMT
Great news about the National Lottery scheme. Yes it's far too late for a lot of theatres but it's also a massive step forward!
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 9, 2020 21:34:11 GMT
Turns out the National Lottery scheme is only for QDOS pantos with nothing going to regional productions:
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Post by Dr Tom on Oct 10, 2020 12:25:48 GMT
Turns out the National Lottery scheme is only for QDOS pantos with nothing going to regional productions: Does that mean it's essentially sponsorship, coming out of NL's profits (as opposed to their regular fund for good causes)?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 13:35:25 GMT
Turns out the National Lottery scheme is only for QDOS pantos with nothing going to regional productions: Does that mean it's essentially sponsorship, coming out of NL's profits (as opposed to their regular fund for good causes)? Sounds like it. Something for other large corporations to consider, perhaps? And for other panto producers to reach out and ask said companies - no point in them getting annoyed at Qdos seizing an opportunity if they haven't tried to get the same.
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Post by richey on Oct 10, 2020 19:33:51 GMT
Baz has just tweeted there's going to be a huge West End announcement at the end of tonight's BGT. Intriguing.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 12, 2020 11:05:26 GMT
Quite rightly this poster is inspiring rage across the community:
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Post by jojo on Oct 12, 2020 12:11:39 GMT
Quite rightly this poster is inspiring rage across the community: At risk of being a pedant - this is part of (or a continuation of) a pre-COVID campaign to encourage people to consider a career in tech. There are equivalent posters for people currently in non-arts professions who are also supposed to be thinking of a career change, suggesting their next job could be in 'cyber'. I'm not happy with the lack of support for the arts and those who work in it, and without context and in the current climate, that advert looks bad, but it's hardly a secret that not every trained dancer can keep dancing until it's time for them to draw their state pension. So I'm afraid my 'rage' is for people like Caitlin who really should know better than to share something that's likely to enrage without a fact check, or at least a bit of context.
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Post by jojo on Oct 12, 2020 12:17:07 GMT
Just read properly, and realised she's retweeting James Felton. Someone I stopped following on twitter because while he can be funny, I realised too many of his gags relied on misrepresenting what's going on and getting people wound up about things that hadn't actually happened.
Other posters in the series shown here.
Actually, that's still only part of the story. Much more context in this twitter thread if anyone wants more background.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 13:18:28 GMT
Digging up old information and posting it out of context to create outrage has been going on for years. You'd think that by now people would be familiar enough with the Internet not to fall for it every time.
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Post by theatreian on Oct 12, 2020 13:43:19 GMT
A bit more information on the campaign. There are I am sure a lot of very qualified people who will have to look elsewhere for employment. Airline pilots spring to mind, amongst many others . It is not going to be easy for some time. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54505841
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Post by jojo on Oct 12, 2020 13:53:57 GMT
Digging up old information and posting it out of context to create outrage has been going on for years. You'd think that by now people would be familiar enough with the Internet not to fall for it every time. It seems that it also forms part of a new campaign, but still just one part of it, and while it could be argued that the people in charge of this campaign should have been more sensitive to the current mood, this is an interesting episode in confirmation bias and how easy it is to manipulate how someone reacts to something depending on how it's framed. I hate feeling like I have to defend the government, because they really are a bunch of terrible people who do more than enough terrible things so there's no need to spin or invent new stuff to get angry about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 13:58:20 GMT
Yes, hate to defend them, but if I was Oliver Dowden and spent all day being attacked over an old advert from a different department, on literally the same day that the first £257 Million of grants from the cultural recovery fund were announced, I'd be wondering why I bothered.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 12, 2020 15:36:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 15:51:12 GMT
Yes, hate to defend them, but if I was Oliver Dowden and spent all day being attacked over an old advert from a different department, on literally the same day that the first £257 Million of grants from the cultural recovery fund were announced, I'd be wondering why I bothered. The attacks on him over the lack of support for freelance performers are still entirely justified though, he doesn't get off that easily regardless of whether his department made the ad or not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 17:25:39 GMT
Just going through the full list of recipients of grants from the Covid Recovery Fund, as published today.
Slightly confused and concerned how money has been allocated, details of which are not confirmed. I know they can't please everyone but there seems to be a number of companies on there who predominantly trade in bars etc whilst Arts specific organisations are missing. One such example, a notorious gay nightclub in Manchester (Cruz 101) has received £250,000, whilst Royal Exchange Theatre has received nothing. Another Manchester centric example of concern here is Gorilla the music venue receiving £255,500 and it's parent company, MissionMars received £1,000,000, whilst tiny charity Hope Mill received nothing.
More rounds soon to be announced though, hoping the independent organisations don't slip through the net.
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Post by Jan on Oct 12, 2020 17:39:32 GMT
Just going through the full list of recipients of grants from the Covid Recovery Fund, as published today. Slightly confused and concerned how money has been allocated, details of which are not confirmed. I know they can't please everyone but there seems to be a number of companies on there who predominantly trade in bars etc whilst Arts specific organisations are missing. One such example, a notorious gay nightclub in Manchester (Cruz 101) has received £250,000, whilst Royal Exchange Theatre has received nothing. Another Manchester centric example of concern here is Gorilla the music venue receiving £255,500 and it's parent company, MissionMars received £1,000,000, whilst tiny charity Hope Mill received nothing. More rounds soon to be announced though, hoping the independent organisations don't slip through the net. Here's the list: www.artscouncil.org.uk/publication/culture-recovery-fund-dataSome obvious anomalies in London. Jermyn Street only £91k but £Old Red Lion 130k. I bet I'm one of the few on the board who've ever been to the Old Red Lion. Big winner Young Vic £962k, more than the Almeida and Donmar combined.
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