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Post by clair on Jul 24, 2020 8:30:11 GMT
talkingheads I felt the same way until being at the Palladium on Thursday when I realised that it was easier to wear sitting in a theatre than walking around - I imagine due to breathing differently. The only times it became a little more uncomfortable was when up dancing so I would be happier at a show than a concert (depending on the artist of course, an all seated throughout would be different). I now think that if it came to a choice of social distancing without masks or no social distancing with them I'd go for the latter although, of course, I'll be over the moon when we get back to neither.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 8:35:15 GMT
talkingheads I felt the same way until being at the Palladium on Thursday when I realised that it was easier to wear sitting in a theatre than walking around - I imagine due to breathing differently. The only times it became a little more uncomfortable was when up dancing so I would be happier at a show than a concert (depending on the artist of course, an all seated throughout would be different). I now think that if it came to a choice of social distancing without masks or no social distancing with them I'd go for the latter although, of course, I'll be over the moon when we get back to neither. Really with you on this - in Venice, they seemed to have more or less ditched SD but were pretty hot on mask wearing, at least indoors. Bars and restaurants felt so buzzy and friendly - whereas pubs in the UK feel quite sad and echoey at the moment. I'd be gratefully to get into a theatre now even if socially distanced, but would definitely miss that buzz - half-empty theatres are pretty dismal. |
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Post by David J on Jul 24, 2020 10:31:15 GMT
I wanted to book for the Camelot actor-musician concert, just to cross it off the list of stage musicals to see, but you can only book a table for at least 2 with a meal (which consists of cold meats and salads) for the price of £120. Now, I DO want to support theatres and I'm glad that the theatre's performances have sold out (and they've got an audience there who can afford this), but I wasn't prepared to pay for this. I don't even have anyone to go with me apart from my mother, who doesn't like musicals. |
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Post by zahidf on Jul 24, 2020 10:33:41 GMT
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jul 24, 2020 12:06:08 GMT
How can clever people be that dillusional...you cannot put a 'hard' date on this....if we have learned anything during the last few months, it is that no one can predict anything with certainty at the moment.
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Post by clair on Jul 24, 2020 12:35:31 GMT
Maybe a date has something to do with insurance along the lines of 'if we do xyz to maintain safety and do not open until the date set by govt' they'll be able to get some form of reasonable cover in case they get locked down again. Having a timeframe to work with gives them a chance to make those decisions.
I agree no-one has a date but pretty much every other industry has been given one and there will always be the caveat that things can, and probably will, change. With furlough ending completely at the end of October many places need to know whether any form of Christmas show might be possible or not to make staffing decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 12:43:02 GMT
How can clever people be that dillusional...you cannot put a 'hard' date on this....if we have learned anything during the last few months, it is that no one can predict anything with certainty at the moment. It seems to be a management thing. At work I've had quite a few managers insist on being told when something will be completed, even when it's something that we've not done before with many possibilities for unexpected setbacks so there's no way of knowing for sure how long it will take. It's as if they assume that you do actually know a definite date but are withholding it out of malice. I understand that dates are necessary for planning purposes, but if the situation is such that it's not possible to provide a date then you just have to deal with it. Wanting something doesn't mean you get it. I learnt that when I was a child: "No, you can't go out to play. No, you can't get that toy. No, you can't have a new liver.*" Are these people five years old? * "But I knocked it off the plate and the dog ate it." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 12:45:42 GMT
Most other European countries are giving a timetable from full closure to partial opening to full opening; obviously it's contingent on current forecasts of infection management - whether that's infection rates low or infection rates high but treatments mean low deaths despite that. But it gives a timetable for theatres to work to and budget for.
There's a strong body of scientific opinion that Covid is going to become humanity's fifth endemic coronavirus; if that's the case, we have to learn to accept it. That obviously doesn't mean accepting death rates as high as we've seen them this year, but the idea that we can batten down the hatches till it isn't there anymore just isn't realistic, with or without some kind of vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 13:23:35 GMT
How can clever people be that dillusional...you cannot put a 'hard' date on this....if we have learned anything during the last few months, it is that no one can predict anything with certainty at the moment. Yes you can, but with the caveat everyone understands that if there is a second wave such an opening would have to be cancelled. It is the failure even to take the first step by giving a tentative date theatres can work towards (and take their staff off furlough to work towards) that is the problem. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 24, 2020 13:33:20 GMT
Yes you can, but with the caveat everyone understands that if there is a second wave such an opening would have to be cancelled. It is the failure even to take the first step by giving a tentative date theatres can work towards (and take their staff off furlough to work towards) that is the problem. I would assume any sort of date is reliant of government and/or insurance companies giving some sort of underwriting if things have affected down the line. A lot of TV and film productions are waiting for that interruption insurance before resuming production although some like Death in Paradise have already resumed. I do think a phased reopening might be easier to implement rather than a single date where everything can reopen, start with the smaller theatres then build it up over weeks and months. |
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Jul 24, 2020 15:38:09 GMT
I don't know how theatres will sustain being able to afford everyone they are employing while having limited capacity. I assume before all thses tickets for show ls sold out they were expensive. I personally not thinking about anything so much. If they stick with online booking I wont be able to go to a theatre again. It's bad enough with trying to buy things I need right now.
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Post by lynette on Jul 24, 2020 20:56:08 GMT
I think phasing in would be good allowing venues to learn form eachother as to what works. To be honest I am impressed with the Lloyd Webber initiatives. He has obviously read our (my) posts with the implementing of self cleaning handles and improved toilet facilities etc. Yes he had to spend dosh and no he won’t recoup til he can have full theatres but he wasn’t sitting on his hands moaning ( or at least he was on the phone ordering other people about) . I know all the problems, I do really understand but I just don't get why the NT can’t put on something - outside or inside with distancing in that massive sarcophagus of a building, They have loads of toilets, ways in and out that can be guided, lots of staff available, poor sods now unemployed, talent already booked and ready to go and an audience of tourists and regulars both willing and cooperative. Well that’s me ranted out for this evening.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 24, 2020 22:14:12 GMT
I think phasing in would be good allowing venues to learn form eachother as to what works. To be honest I am impressed with the Lloyd Webber initiatives. He has obviously read our (my) posts with the implementing of self cleaning handles and improved toilet facilities etc. Yes he had to spend dosh and no he won’t recoup til he can have full theatres but he wasn’t sitting on his hands moaning ( or at least he was on the phone ordering other people about) . I know all the problems, I do really understand but I just don't get why the NT can’t put on something - outside or inside with distancing in that massive sarcophagus of a building, They have loads of toilets, ways in and out that can be guided, lots of staff available, poor sods now unemployed, talent already booked and ready to go and an audience of tourists and regulars both willing and cooperative. Well that’s me ranted out for this evening. I wonder if they fear part opening would affect governmental financial support - but can't survive without as much of a bailout as possible. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 24, 2020 22:29:28 GMT
The news from Spain is further going to damage airlines futures- needed for London to bounce back next year,
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Post by Jon on Jul 24, 2020 22:30:49 GMT
The news from Spain is futher going to risk the survival of the airlines needed for city breaks to london to be viable for the many next year Do you ever post anything positive? |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 24, 2020 22:32:27 GMT
The news from Spain is futher going to risk the survival of the airlines needed for city breaks to london to be viable for the many next year Do you ever post anything positive? Positivity has sadly caused me too many lows.
But maybe flight numbers are high enough for elsewhere losing some will not tip them over the edge.
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Post by djp on Jul 25, 2020 2:20:10 GMT
The news from Spain is futher going to risk the survival of the airlines needed for city breaks to london to be viable for the many next year Do you ever post anything positive? The only positive news that matters is that so far we have at least 4 vaccines moving into the next stage of testing with large groups of people, and the government has bought stocks of 3 in advance .
Until then the only options for theatre will be 20-30% full theatres or doing it outside . |
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Post by djp on Jul 25, 2020 2:33:09 GMT
The news from Spain is further going to damage airlines futures- needed for London to bounce back next year, Given you don't know if there's going to be a second wave, or an outbreak and/or quarantine at either end of your journey, and neither many theatres or the airlines have the money to refund you, i doubt if many people will be booking travel . And given producers can't know whether their productions will be closed down by a second wave or a local outbreak, or if anyone who pays full price will risk turning up, I doubt if many people will be putting much on. At the moment you have a Spanish and Australian regional second wave, an Israeli second wave bigger than the first - because it started in schools and not among limited numbers of external arrivals, a hike in German figures, and rampant virus in the US, India, Africa, South America , iran and Russia, Nearly all the countries that did well have been hit by second waves. We are going to be lucky to keep those sources from reinfecting us .We need to control this with a vaccine, vaccinate the entire global population, and keep those still waiting to be vaccinated out of the country till they are. |
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Post by djp on Jul 25, 2020 3:00:28 GMT
Maybe a date has something to do with insurance along the lines of 'if we do xyz to maintain safety and do not open until the date set by govt' they'll be able to get some form of reasonable cover in case they get locked down again. Having a timeframe to work with gives them a chance to make those decisions. I agree no-one has a date but pretty much every other industry has been given one and there will always be the caveat that things can, and probably will, change. With furlough ending completely at the end of October many places need to know whether any form of Christmas show might be possible or not to make staffing decisions. Yes but the other industries all operate with social distancing and ppe in many cases. The hairdresser gets as near as a theatregoer in the next seat, but has a visor on, and a customer in a mask and covered in a disposable gown, and takes minutes not hours. . The pub should have people from the same social units standing or sitting together . A theatre audience is much closer and trapped in an enclosed space with poor airflow and strangers all around. There's a reason why GPs have still withdrawn from the fight, many outpatients departments are empty, and most MPs are at home still and the Commons is largely empty.I ts also worrying that the 2021 Olympics is now under threat too, as it may be too early to escape from the risk of covid to participants and audiences, and its impact on sales.
Insurance may be the explanation for the silly demands for a clear date. , But even that requires insurers not being fooled by seeing a date. The only other conclusion is that people like ALW and Mendes are desperate and deluded and haven't understood that we don' t control what the virus does next, colder weather may make control more difficult and that even with perfect knowledge, hindsight , and better testing and tracing, you are still going to be unable to control the virus everywhere outside the UK ,and keep it out with any certainty.
They would do better to work on what can be put on with a much smaller audience , more resistant to their exorbitant pricing, and whats doable in a a concert format outside,or online But the reality is that they probably think its not worth the effort making a new type of show for a limited return, , outside is too problematic and short term, and building a big enough online audience is beyond them, and not in their long term interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 12:06:38 GMT
The issue with lots of people indoors is aerosols. This is why audiences need to be masked. The same should be the case in other places where people spend longer than fifteen minutes together but the government seem to be months behind, yet again, on realising this. Somehow, they have contorted themselves into masks for limited exposure venues and no masks for high exposure venues, They appear to be completely incapable of keeping up with our rapidly changing understanding of the virus.
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Post by sf on Jul 25, 2020 12:14:23 GMT
I think phasing in would be good allowing venues to learn form eachother as to what works. To be honest I am impressed with the Lloyd Webber initiatives. He has obviously read our (my) posts with the implementing of self cleaning handles and improved toilet facilities etc. Yes he had to spend dosh and no he won’t recoup til he can have full theatres but he wasn’t sitting on his hands moaning ( or at least he was on the phone ordering other people about) . I know all the problems, I do really understand but I just don't get why the NT can’t put on something - outside or inside with distancing in that massive sarcophagus of a building, They have loads of toilets, ways in and out that can be guided, lots of staff available, poor sods now unemployed, talent already booked and ready to go and an audience of tourists and regulars both willing and cooperative. Well that’s me ranted out for this evening. One of the reasons venues and production companies are being very cautious, I think, is that it would be financially very damaging to start working towards opening up again and then have to go back into lockdown because of a second wave. |
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Post by zahidf on Jul 27, 2020 11:08:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 11:11:22 GMT
OH YES PLEASE !!!
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