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Post by talkingheads on Jul 10, 2020 7:33:16 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 10, 2020 7:45:55 GMT
Little video about the measures taken to open The Mousetrap up in November / Interesting about the actors and the 1 metre rule.cue lots of stylised productions and setting everything as a radio drama |
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 10, 2020 9:09:26 GMT
Yay, Mousetrap opening in November... just in time for flu season in December. Perfect.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jul 10, 2020 9:12:33 GMT
The majority of the bailout will go to theatre (15-20% to museums). Some theatres have been told how much they are getting and some haven’t been contacted at all. The % that goes to each venue is allegedly based primarily on financial need but no one knows what other factors are involved. I’m surprised (and to be honest, quite doubtful) that any theatre has been told what they are getting from the £1.57bn announced Monday. The deputy AD of one theatre made that claim yesterday, and two others backed it up. And some people knew about the bailout a day before it was leaked in the press. But otoh it’s hard to cut through all the rumours. The problem is there’s been no consistency and no transparency. Some individuals who are not even industry leaders in terms of their job titles have been having private off the record mobile phone conversations with OD, with the Treasury and even with Dominic bloody Cummings, not that he gives a sh*t. Meanwhile many ADs have been excluded from all the conversations and left in the dark. There’s such a culture of mistrust in the government right now and I don’t know how that’s ever going to change. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 9:15:33 GMT
I know you are trying to be funny but pose a serious question considering, if theatres, when they open obviously will have to take certain measures and this ends up as one. I don't know about everyone else but I certainly can't go anywhere without knowing a bathroom is availible esp when I am on my period bladder problems are even worse. It's one of my concerns about potentially going anywhere at the moment too. It's all very well sitting socially distanced outdoors but if you have to go inside to go to the loo - and not many places have open air loos! - then that could negate all the other precautions. I have read that coronavirus can still be present in bodily fluids some time after people have stopped showing symptoms so using the same loo that dozens of other people have just used does not appeal in the slightest at the moment. When I'm at the theatre I usually want to go to the loo beforehand, in every interval & afterwards so that's 3 or more (depending on intervals) risk events.
The BBC article round up the outdoor events guidelines includes this gem "Performers, conductors and musicians to be socially distanced, possibly back-to-back or side-to-side, rather than face-to-face" which makes me wonder if they've ever seen a performance of anything involving an orchestra & singers! The likelihood of having a successful outdoor performance if the musicians & singers have to face away from each other & the conductor seems rather low, as it would be much trickier outdoors to set up the conductor TV screens that many theatres have hanging from the front of the circle or in the wings for when the performers can't see the conductor directly.
Experts are pretty unanimous that you can't catch covid through your bum cheeks...! Seriously, though, if you're washing your hands, loos are no more an issue than anything else and less than a lot of things - google what scientists are saying, it will reassure you. Remember that we're at infection rates of one in 4,000 now so the chances of sharing a loo with someone who has it are pretty tiny. If pubs/restaurants/train stations/local authorities/shopping centres etc can open their toilets, why would theatres not be able to? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 9:25:20 GMT
I know this isnt theatre but I just read about football stadiums letting fans return but no loos. You know that is heading with cleaners having to dispose of bottles of pee! What happens if this is at theatres too? Oh my God that's just insane! It's a respiratory illness, the only risk in a loo is if you come out of a cubicle and someone coughs explosively into your face. Which, err, could happen anywhere. Though probably won't. This whole loo debate just feeds into a culture of panic. Loos are a human right. They should be open. And kept clean regardless of the coronavirus! |
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 10, 2020 10:46:46 GMT
I know this isnt theatre but I just read about football stadiums letting fans return but no loos. You know that is heading with cleaners having to dispose of bottles of pee! What happens if this is at theatres too? Oh my God that's just insane! It's a respiratory illness, the only risk in a loo is if you come out of a cubicle and someone coughs explosively into your face. Which, err, could happen anywhere. Though probably won't. This whole loo debate just feeds into a culture of panic. Loos are a human right. They should be open. And kept clean regardless of the coronavirus! I thought it was illegal to have a public building without toilet facilities? It's a moot point anyway because I wouldn't go anywhere near a place without them! I've been seeing a lot of people on Twitter pointing out that it is pointless saying that outdoor theatre spaces can open from Saturday because they were given no warning, nobody can be hired, plays produced and rehearsed, they'd need at least a month if not more and the issue of insurance is still a huge problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 11:23:12 GMT
Oh my God that's just insane! It's a respiratory illness, the only risk in a loo is if you come out of a cubicle and someone coughs explosively into your face. Which, err, could happen anywhere. Though probably won't. This whole loo debate just feeds into a culture of panic. Loos are a human right. They should be open. And kept clean regardless of the coronavirus! I thought it was illegal to have a public building without toilet facilities? It's a moot point anyway because I wouldn't go anywhere near a place without them! I've been seeing a lot of people on Twitter pointing out that it is pointless saying that outdoor theatre spaces can open from Saturday because they were given no warning, nobody can be hired, plays produced and rehearsed, they'd need at least a month if not more and the issue of insurance is still a huge problem. Completely agree. On all points! Yeah, bonkers to announce outdoor theatres can open with 2 days notice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 11:42:29 GMT
I've been seeing a lot of people on Twitter pointing out that it is pointless saying that outdoor theatre spaces can open from Saturday because they were given no warning, nobody can be hired, plays produced and rehearsed, they'd need at least a month if not more and the issue of insurance is still a huge problem. What did they expect to happen? A month ago nobody knew whether it would be safe to allow them to open soon so it's not like they can reasonably have been expected to have been given advance notice in early June. And if they'd been given a month's notice now — "It's safe for you to open, but we're not actually going to let you do it until the middle of August" — then they'd have been complaining about having to wait. This situation sucks for everyone, but the situation is what it is. We either deal with it as it is or we whine about it a lot and still have to deal with it as it is. |
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Post by zahidf on Jul 10, 2020 11:54:46 GMT
IN theory, you could have open air monologues or comedy gigs starting very soon
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 12:00:12 GMT
I've been seeing a lot of people on Twitter pointing out that it is pointless saying that outdoor theatre spaces can open from Saturday because they were given no warning, nobody can be hired, plays produced and rehearsed, they'd need at least a month if not more and the issue of insurance is still a huge problem. What did they expect to happen? A month ago nobody knew whether it would be safe to allow them to open soon so it's not like they can reasonably have been expected to have been given advance notice in early June. And if they'd been given a month's notice now — "It's safe for you to open, but we're not actually going to let you do it until the middle of August" — then they'd have been complaining about having to wait. This situation sucks for everyone, but the situation is what it is. We either deal with it as it is or we whine about it a lot and still have to deal with it as it is. Yeah, but they managed to give pubs and restaurants a decent bit of advanced warning about when they could expect to open. I think theatre is different because it's an after-thought not because it's inherently more difficult. Other countries are managing a timetable perfectly well. It was perfectly possible in mid-June to have an idea of where we'd be in mid-July. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 10, 2020 12:24:21 GMT
TBF they said outdoor performances rather than outdoor theatre, something like a small outdoor gig or things like River Stage could get up and running within a month or so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 12:24:44 GMT
I actually laughed out loud when I saw that bit, I suppose everyone’s supposed to make notes on their hand or something then transcribe it when they get home. That’s not even getting into productions that don’t start with a script. Maybe they’re going to suggest that those those in the pit need to play from memory next. Do they, DSM, lighting and sound get scripts/parts because they have magical warding properties or something? It just pretty much sidesteps theatre as a whole. If they think that it’s a major problem then they should have the guts to say that, not just setting ‘guidelines’ that are implausible so that they can say, ‘we said you could restart and you didn’t’. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 10, 2020 12:24:49 GMT
Experts are pretty unanimous that you can't catch covid through your bum cheeks...! Seriously, though, if you're washing your hands, loos are no more an issue than anything else and less than a lot of things - google what scientists are saying, it will reassure you. Remember that we're at infection rates of one in 4,000 now so the chances of sharing a loo with someone who has it are pretty tiny. If pubs/restaurants/train stations/local authorities/shopping centres etc can open their toilets, why would theatres not be able to? I'm not saying that theatres won't be able to open their loos. I'm saying that I wouldn't be comfortable crowded in a relatively small indoor space with a number of other people to use the loos & it feel as if it would negate the lowered risk that is the point of having theatre outdoors. |
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Post by baguette on Jul 10, 2020 13:02:30 GMT
Experts are pretty unanimous that you can't catch covid through your bum cheeks...! Seriously, though, if you're washing your hands, loos are no more an issue than anything else and less than a lot of things - google what scientists are saying, it will reassure you. Remember that we're at infection rates of one in 4,000 now so the chances of sharing a loo with someone who has it are pretty tiny. If pubs/restaurants/train stations/local authorities/shopping centres etc can open their toilets, why would theatres not be able to? I'm not saying that theatres won't be able to open their loos. I'm saying that I wouldn't be comfortable crowded in a relatively small indoor space with a number of other people to use the loos & it feel as if it would negate the lowered risk that is the point of having theatre outdoors. Guidelines here require mask-wearing when moving around in the theatre, but not in your seat. You are absolutely right to flag a trip to the ladies as an area where social distancing is tricky - handbasins are typically not 1m apart for a start. From the Mail in their story about the Old Vic: Fingers crossed, but there's a sense that theatres might be allowed to reopen by November with no social distancing — but with the wearing of masks in auditoriums mandatory.
Industry insiders believe the go-ahead won't be given until September, which is perilous for pantomimes.
Christmas shows need to know Government timelines by the first week of August, at the latest, in order to prepare.For the first time, that November date is consistent with what I'm seeing in France. Our theatres opened with social distancing on 2 June and a capacity cap (Stage 4 in UK terms). They lifted the capacity cap a fortnight ago, so now it it just 1 empty seat between booking families (up to 10 seats). My local has put every seat on sale from the beginning of November. |
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Post by marcellus on Jul 10, 2020 13:52:03 GMT
It's one of my concerns about potentially going anywhere at the moment too. It's all very well sitting socially distanced outdoors but if you have to go inside to go to the loo - and not many places have open air loos! - then that could negate all the other precautions. I have read that coronavirus can still be present in bodily fluids some time after people have stopped showing symptoms so using the same loo that dozens of other people have just used does not appeal in the slightest at the moment. When I'm at the theatre I usually want to go to the loo beforehand, in every interval & afterwards so that's 3 or more (depending on intervals) risk events.
The BBC article round up the outdoor events guidelines includes this gem "Performers, conductors and musicians to be socially distanced, possibly back-to-back or side-to-side, rather than face-to-face" which makes me wonder if they've ever seen a performance of anything involving an orchestra & singers! The likelihood of having a successful outdoor performance if the musicians & singers have to face away from each other & the conductor seems rather low, as it would be much trickier outdoors to set up the conductor TV screens that many theatres have hanging from the front of the circle or in the wings for when the performers can't see the conductor directly.
Experts are pretty unanimous that you can't catch covid through your bum cheeks...! Seriously, though, if you're washing your hands, loos are no more an issue than anything else and less than a lot of things - google what scientists are saying, it will reassure you. Remember that we're at infection rates of one in 4,000 now so the chances of sharing a loo with someone who has it are pretty tiny. If pubs/restaurants/train stations/local authorities/shopping centres etc can open their toilets, why would theatres not be able to? Just a note of caution though, remember the danger is less what you touch, more what you inhale. And urine can produce aerosols - that's why you're not meant to keep your toothbrush next to the toilet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 13:57:58 GMT
Experts are pretty unanimous that you can't catch covid through your bum cheeks...! Seriously, though, if you're washing your hands, loos are no more an issue than anything else and less than a lot of things - google what scientists are saying, it will reassure you. Remember that we're at infection rates of one in 4,000 now so the chances of sharing a loo with someone who has it are pretty tiny. If pubs/restaurants/train stations/local authorities/shopping centres etc can open their toilets, why would theatres not be able to? Just a note of caution though, remember the danger is less what you touch, more what you inhale. And urine can produce aerosols - that's why you're not meant to keep your toothbrush next to the toilet. Flushing does that not weeing - shut the loo lid before you flush and you're fine: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4692156 |
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Post by marcellus on Jul 10, 2020 13:59:40 GMT
I know this isnt theatre but I just read about football stadiums letting fans return but no loos. You know that is heading with cleaners having to dispose of bottles of pee! What happens if this is at theatres too? Oh my God that's just insane! It's a respiratory illness, the only risk in a loo is if you come out of a cubicle and someone coughs explosively into your face. Which, err, could happen anywhere. Though probably won't. This whole loo debate just feeds into a culture of panic. Loos are a human right. They should be open. And kept clean regardless of the coronavirus! Although cleaning, ironically, actually increases the spashback effect, at least in the gents. Pack a poorly ventilated toilet out during a performance interval could put a lot into the air. www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24820279 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 14:04:59 GMT
Honestly, I've never understood any aspect of the urinal. Why aren't men allowed to wee in private? It's bad enough being expected to go while shoulder to shoulder with strangers but what if you're at work?? It's all just ghastly...
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Post by basdfg on Jul 10, 2020 14:45:58 GMT
With how narrow some theatres are it's people in front or behind you that to me feel more risky than down the row.
Also for Panto's to go ahead dealing with the risk of plans being changed due to a local lockdown or cast/crew outbreak is quite financially challenging - can companies afford the insurance needed as a precaution.
I agree that first week of august seem too soon for the government to be able to say anything beyond you might be allowed to be open but the restrictions placed (On and off stage) can't be confirmed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 14:59:42 GMT
With how narrow some theatres are it's people in front or behind you that to me feel more risky than down the row. That's the impression I had. It's not the act of using the toilet that's the problem. It's the squeezing past loads of people in narrow and poorly ventilated corridors and other areas. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jul 10, 2020 15:01:54 GMT
Brighton Open Air Theatre has announced it is reopening on July 25.
The season runs until the end of September, with productions including Abigail’s Party, Sherlock Holmes and Twelfth Night.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 10, 2020 15:23:11 GMT
With how narrow some theatres are it's people in front or behind you that to me feel more risky than down the row. That's the impression I had. It's not the act of using the toilet that's the problem. It's the squeezing past loads of people in narrow and poorly ventilated corridors and other areas. And unlike restaurants and pubs theatre and other performing have peak toilet times - you couldn't get the usual interval toilet usage done in the same time if less people could be in there at the same time due to not being able to avoid contact.
Through how are open air theatres plaining on dealing with the toilet issue and keeping a distance.
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 10, 2020 15:32:39 GMT
Honestly, I've never understood any aspect of the urinal. Why aren't men allowed to wee in private? It's bad enough being expected to go while shoulder to shoulder with strangers but what if you're at work?? It's all just ghastly... We do have cubicles but it can range from just one to three if you're lucky. |
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 10, 2020 15:55:40 GMT
Sorry if I put anyone off their tea, but I've never understood how women are able to sit on a warm toilet seat when they know who was sitting on it just seconds earlier, or have you all, like mater in her more agile years, mastered the art of the 'hover'?
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