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Post by basdfg on Jul 9, 2020 16:54:15 GMT
Is being a Groundling at the Globe considered an outside performance? Dust off some of the Touring productions, even with a reduced capacity these should be financially viable. The Globe feels to me that it might be seen as indoor due to the enclosed nature of outdoor areas and having to go through indoor areas to get to the outdoor parts.
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Post by Jon on Jul 9, 2020 17:04:32 GMT
Theatres protected from demolition or change of use - this is good news, means that if some have to close (and some inevitably will), the fabric of the building will be maintained for potential future theatrical use. Aren't theatres protected anyway? Most of the ones that were demolished like the Westminster which is now The Other Palace and the upcoming Nimax theatre had to include a performance space and many new builds like The Bridge, The Park Theatre were built are like that. I wonder if the Open Air Theatre might be tempted to do stand up comedy for a week? That has low overheads but also would be a great way to test it out. I saw Simon Amstell at the Open Air Theatre years ago and being outdoors works really well.
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Post by zahidf on Jul 9, 2020 17:09:24 GMT
Theatres protected from demolition or change of use - this is good news, means that if some have to close (and some inevitably will), the fabric of the building will be maintained for potential future theatrical use. Aren't theatres protected anyway? Most of the ones that were demolished like the Westminster which is now The Other Palace and the upcoming Nimax theatre had to include a performance space and many new builds like The Bridge, The Park Theatre were built are like that. I wonder if the Open Air Theatre might be tempted to do stand up comedy for a week? That has low overheads but also would be a great way to test it out. I saw Simon Amstell at the Open Air Theatre years ago and being outdoors works really well.
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Post by zahidf on Jul 9, 2020 17:10:03 GMT
Is being a Groundling at the Globe considered an outside performance? Dust off some of the Touring productions, even with a reduced capacity these should be financially viable. The Globe feels to me that it might be seen as indoor due to the enclosed nature of outdoor areas and having to go through indoor areas to get to the outdoor parts. In theory if you go via the river entrance, u can open it up without going indoors...
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Post by basdfg on Jul 9, 2020 17:14:56 GMT
Theatres protected from demolition or change of use - this is good news, means that if some have to close (and some inevitably will), the fabric of the building will be maintained for potential future theatrical use. Aren't theatres protected anyway? Most of the ones that were demolished like the Westminster which is now The Other Palace and the upcoming Nimax theatre had to include a performance space and many new builds like The Bridge, The Park Theatre were built are like that. I wonder if the Open Air Theatre might be tempted to do stand up comedy for a week? That has low overheads but also would be a great way to test it out. I saw Simon Amstell at the Open Air Theatre years ago and being outdoors works really well. That would work - low risk and viable. Would revivals of musicals at Regent Park be viable under Social Distancing?
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Post by n1david on Jul 9, 2020 17:27:32 GMT
Aren't theatres protected anyway? Most of the ones that were demolished like the Westminster which is now The Other Palace and the upcoming Nimax theatre had to include a performance space and many new builds like The Bridge, The Park Theatre were built are like that. They were, but one of the changes the Govt intends to make is to allow change of use to be much faster and easier, so there was some speculation that applications to convert theatre buildings into other uses would become much more likely. The new performance spaces were built because of planning gain requirements and changes to planning laws could have removed those from developments, allowing unscrupulous developers to remove performance spaces from plans or repurposing them. So this announcement today appears to confirm that theatres will be exempt from the relaxation of planning laws.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 9, 2020 17:33:20 GMT
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Post by Jon on Jul 9, 2020 17:47:18 GMT
Something like River Stage at the National could be set up for August although I wonder if they could charge say a fiver per entry.
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Post by richey on Jul 9, 2020 18:09:29 GMT
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Post by Jon on Jul 9, 2020 18:20:19 GMT
^I would guess that if Stage 4 happens in September, they might be able to do a short season of sorts.
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Post by kimbahorel on Jul 9, 2020 18:59:28 GMT
I know this isnt theatre but I just read about football stadiums letting fans return but no loos. You know that is heading with cleaners having to dispose of bottles of pee! What happens if this is at theatres too?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 19:58:07 GMT
They seem to have thought a lot more about music, orchestras and choirs, than actors. They are correct about aerosolisation from singing but completely ignore the research that shows loud talking (e.g, acting) as being the same. Not only that but, as it tends to be face to face, it can be more dangerous than singers singing in one direction. There is a later comment that performances face to face ‘should be avoided’, almost as though it is left in there as a reference to something removed elsewhere. Is this a rewrite of something more comprehensive? If you shouldn't be performing face to face then that is a major problem for actors. 90% of theatre needs face to face interaction, surely? They still deny the need for masks, as well, in a business where aerosols are produced as a matter of course, I suppose the WHO has only now reluctantly admitted that particular danger but it pays to be ahead of the game rather than grudgingly slow acceptance. Maybe someone lobbied to take these things out but it’s weird that acting is almost invisible when compared to other modes of performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 20:18:19 GMT
I know this isnt theatre but I just read about football stadiums letting fans return but no loos. You know that is heading with cleaners having to dispose of bottles of pee! What happens if this is at theatres too? Well, it’ll have solved the problem of the never ending queue for the ladies.
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Post by kimbahorel on Jul 9, 2020 20:41:37 GMT
I know this isnt theatre but I just read about football stadiums letting fans return but no loos. You know that is heading with cleaners having to dispose of bottles of pee! What happens if this is at theatres too? Well, it’ll have solved the problem of the never ending queue for the ladies. I know you are trying to be funny but pose a serious question considering, if theatres, when they open obviously will have to take certain measures and this ends up as one. I don't know about everyone else but I certainly can't go anywhere without knowing a bathroom is availible esp when I am on my period bladder problems are even worse. I worry enough about going back to work because my job doesn't have a back of house or bathroom have to use public loos.
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Post by lynette on Jul 9, 2020 20:53:57 GMT
I think there will be the same loos available but maybe 1. More time allowed so longer intervals and 2. An attendant. These two things would help, no? They will have to chuck some money at it to get the punters back in. I can manage a play or show ok if loos are available beforehand. I can them struggle home 😳 but with kids and with any other factors then loos essential.
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 9, 2020 20:59:03 GMT
The majority of the bailout will go to theatre (15-20% to museums). Some theatres have been told how much they are getting and some haven’t been contacted at all. The % that goes to each venue is allegedly based primarily on financial need but no one knows what other factors are involved. I’m surprised (and to be honest, quite doubtful) that any theatre has been told what they are getting from the £1.57bn announced Monday.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 9, 2020 21:19:02 GMT
I know you are trying to be funny but pose a serious question considering, if theatres, when they open obviously will have to take certain measures and this ends up as one. I don't know about everyone else but I certainly can't go anywhere without knowing a bathroom is availible esp when I am on my period bladder problems are even worse. It's one of my concerns about potentially going anywhere at the moment too. It's all very well sitting socially distanced outdoors but if you have to go inside to go to the loo - and not many places have open air loos! - then that could negate all the other precautions. I have read that coronavirus can still be present in bodily fluids some time after people have stopped showing symptoms so using the same loo that dozens of other people have just used does not appeal in the slightest at the moment. When I'm at the theatre I usually want to go to the loo beforehand, in every interval & afterwards so that's 3 or more (depending on intervals) risk events.
The BBC article round up the outdoor events guidelines includes this gem "Performers, conductors and musicians to be socially distanced, possibly back-to-back or side-to-side, rather than face-to-face" which makes me wonder if they've ever seen a performance of anything involving an orchestra & singers! The likelihood of having a successful outdoor performance if the musicians & singers have to face away from each other & the conductor seems rather low, as it would be much trickier outdoors to set up the conductor TV screens that many theatres have hanging from the front of the circle or in the wings for when the performers can't see the conductor directly.
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Post by kimbahorel on Jul 9, 2020 21:48:59 GMT
Goverment trying to open everything with all the rules, no one can actually do anything. I remember ages ago when it was said about swimming pools opening a suggestion no one would be able to use the changing rooms.
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Post by vickyg on Jul 9, 2020 21:53:12 GMT
I really don’t think it’s insurmountable to have to have musicians and singers not facing each other. Stage things concert style or semi staged, perspex screens in front of brass and wind instruments, flutes laid out one on the end of each row. If we’re outside they’re going to need sound systems so they can level each section of instruments appropriately and screens won’t impact the sound. It may not be conventional but that’s hardly the key concern at the moment! Choirs I can see being a problem with several rows of singers, but a semi staged concert with one row seems much more manageable.
Someone do this at Kenwood House and I will be there immediately!
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Post by kimbahorel on Jul 9, 2020 22:13:04 GMT
I hadn't read the story about rules on opening up outside theatre. Then I read this
"Singing and playing wind and brass instruments, especially in groups, have been designated as 'higher risk' activities and are restricted to professionals only, according to the new rules laid out today"
Do people go to shows normally with a flute or trumpet and play along?
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Post by dippy on Jul 9, 2020 22:25:38 GMT
Well enough people feel like they need to sing along, would be lovely if that was somehow forever stopped!
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Post by djp on Jul 9, 2020 22:38:35 GMT
Looks like a cut and paste job from other guidance. Is this the latest one as it seems to continue the earlier scepticism about masks
The problem for theatres has become clearer as the science has moved on three fronts. This explains why they are emerging as a more difficult case - unless you can go outdoors.
The latest ONS survey testing data showed asymptomatic cases running at 80% compared to their previous result of 70% , WHO was saying 30% and some Italian research is saying 30%+. The temperature check and visual inspection at the door doesn't work.
The risks of large numbers of people in enclosed spaces with poor air circulation seem established, not least by the reports of second wave outbreaks in multiple countries centered on night clubs and similar environments.
WHO is re-evaluating the the threat from airborne transmission of viral particles - which move considerably further in air currents than heavier, virus containing, globules . Whats still not know is how infectious those particles are - which may depend on a range of factors. That argues against relaxing social distancing indoors where there's not even a slight breeze to disperse particles.
And there's been figures in the press with theatres reporting they need to fill 80% of their seats - which looks high given how many people turn up for some shows - while one cinema chain reckoned that over a day they run often at 20% anyway.
The good news is the UK vaccines seem to be moving to the next stage of testing. The bad new is that the second waves in Germany, areas of Spain, Israel and Australia suggest the second wave threat is very real. And the growing pool of virus in the US, Russia, India, Brazil and Africa shows there's plenty of potential sources of reinfection.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 0:03:46 GMT
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Post by Jon on Jul 10, 2020 0:26:58 GMT
It sounds like ATG wanted to buy the theatre itself with The Old Vic Company as its tenant similar to how the Donmar Warehouse used to operate before Grandage bought the lease of the building from ATG but the FOH of the Donmar is still managed by ATG. November seems optimistic for no social distancing in theatres and you'd need a fair amount of time to get shows back on their feet or new shows to get up and running.
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Post by richey on Jul 10, 2020 7:22:06 GMT
Little video about the measures taken to open The Mousetrap up in November /
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