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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 16:00:19 GMT
Sorry if I put anyone off their tea, but I've never understood how women are able to sit on a warm toilet seat when they know who was sitting on it just seconds earlier, or have you all, like mater in her more agile years, mastered the art of the 'hover'? A warm toilet seat is far better than a cold toilet seat. I'm very grateful to the previous inhabitant for taking the chill off for me. |
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 10, 2020 16:38:37 GMT
I’m surprised (and to be honest, quite doubtful) that any theatre has been told what they are getting from the £1.57bn announced Monday. The deputy AD of one theatre made that claim yesterday, and two others backed it up. And some people knew about the bailout a day before it was leaked in the press. But otoh it’s hard to cut through all the rumours. The problem is there’s been no consistency and no transparency. Some individuals who are not even industry leaders in terms of their job titles have been having private off the record mobile phone conversations with OD, with the Treasury and even with Dominic bloody Cummings, not that he gives a sh*t. Meanwhile many ADs have been excluded from all the conversations and left in the dark. There’s such a culture of mistrust in the government right now and I don’t know how that’s ever going to change. Hmm, all very odd. |
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Post by marcellus on Jul 10, 2020 16:55:36 GMT
Just a note of caution though, remember the danger is less what you touch, more what you inhale. And urine can produce aerosols - that's why you're not meant to keep your toothbrush next to the toilet. Flushing does that not weeing - shut the loo lid before you flush and you're fine: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4692156 Flushing does that, but not just flushing www.qssupplies.co.uk/splashback-study |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 19:37:48 GMT
Has anyone seen seating plans for Sleepless in Seattle - there is nothing showing them on the show's website. I'm guessing they will seat people as per "Social Bubble" bookings so maybe we cannot choose seat as such.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 10, 2020 20:54:56 GMT
Sorry if I put anyone off their tea, but I've never understood how women are able to sit on a warm toilet seat when they know who was sitting on it just seconds earlier, or have you all, like mater in her more agile years, mastered the art of the 'hover'? Hover. I thought all women would do this in public loos. I'm amazed to find that any are prepared to sit down. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 21:01:07 GMT
Sorry if I put anyone off their tea, but I've never understood how women are able to sit on a warm toilet seat when they know who was sitting on it just seconds earlier, or have you all, like mater in her more agile years, mastered the art of the 'hover'? Hover. I thought all women would do this in public loos. I'm amazed to find that any are prepared to sit down. I’ve never found them to be particularly warm...? Surely nobody’s there long enough to warm them up? (Or is everyone else hovering and I’m the only one sitting? #paranoid) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 7:24:22 GMT
Sorry if I put anyone off their tea, but I've never understood how women are able to sit on a warm toilet seat when they know who was sitting on it just seconds earlier, or have you all, like mater in her more agile years, mastered the art of the 'hover'? Hover. I thought all women would do this in public loos. I'm amazed to find that any are prepared to sit down. Why? If I was flexible enough to lick my own arse then I'd certainly wash it before I did so, but other than that I don't understand what sitting on a toilet seat after someone else has used it is going to do to me. Do you also not sit down at home or are family bums somehow less dangerous than strangers' bums? Do you never have friends round and let them use the loo? |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jul 11, 2020 7:38:17 GMT
Butt cheeks are most probably cleaner than the hands which the previous person used to open the doors when entering the toilet and at least in the ladies you do not have the issue when using the Gents that the person before you used it as an urinal with the seat down.
The issue with the toiletd I believe is the queuing and especially for the ladies it would be unmanageable with adequate social distancing, imagine prior to the refurb the Old Vic queue would have stretched to Waterloo Station.
Once inside the risks would be the same as any enclosed space, breathing in and touching an active virus.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 11, 2020 8:18:55 GMT
Hover. I thought all women would do this in public loos. I'm amazed to find that any are prepared to sit down. I’ve never found them to be particularly warm...? Surely nobody’s there long enough to warm them up? (Or is everyone else hovering and I’m the only one sitting? #paranoid) They’re not. Hovering is very bad for you - leads to bladder infections. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 11, 2020 8:20:22 GMT
Is coronavirus present in wee wee? I thought it was a respiratory disease!
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Post by kathryn on Jul 11, 2020 8:30:16 GMT
Hover. I thought all women would do this in public loos. I'm amazed to find that any are prepared to sit down. Why? If I was flexible enough to lick my own arse then I'd certainly wash it before I did so, but other than that I don't understand what sitting on a toilet seat after someone else has used it is going to do to me. Do you also not sit down at home or are family bums somehow less dangerous than strangers' bums? Do you never have friends round and let them use the loo? Indeed, far more likely to get sick from people not washing their hands properly before handling food. Your skin is an excellent barrier against infection. Infection normally enters the body through openings in the skin - mouth, eyes, nose, most commonly for Coronaviruses. Hence the advice not to touch your face, wash your hands, and guidelines to avoid situations where people might breathe it in. As long as loo queues can be socially distanced and everything is cleaned regularly, and you wash your hands properly, Public loos are not that high risk. The problem is the inability to socially distance the queue in most theatres. |
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Post by kathryn on Jul 11, 2020 8:35:32 GMT
Is coronavirus present in wee wee? I thought it was a respiratory disease! It can be detected in urine and feces - that’s why water treatment works can be tested to monitor the spread of the disease. I am not sure if anyone has established for sure whether the fragments of the virus that end up in waste can actually infect other people, though. There’s evidence that it is unlikely to be a high risk. |
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Post by clair on Jul 11, 2020 8:38:32 GMT
Minack Theatre has already added some storytelling sessions to it's what's on pages - aimed at families but I'm sure if I lived nearby I'd book just to see something, anything at a theatre!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 8:48:36 GMT
Is coronavirus present in wee wee? I thought it was a respiratory disease! Can be found in ‘number twos’ apparently, although may not be active. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 8:59:22 GMT
I think we can be 99.9% sure that you can't catch the 'rona from urine! Yes you may shed some viral particles but it would be insanely unlikely that they can infect the respiratory tract.
Anyway, enjoying the highly British toilet conversation lol. Agree crowds, queues and toilets in general are pretty uncivilised in the West End.
I do think a lot of the corona problems have really highlighted ways in which some of are theatres aren't great environments. They are cramped and crowded with inadequate toilet facilities and many areas where people are crammed together. I think any virus would spread easily in your average West End house.
I go to the theatre quite a bit in Germany, and they have lots of new theatres there - have been in Bochum, Oberhausen, Cologne and Hamburg. They are large open spaces with big foyers, no narrow corridors and large adequate loos. Auditoriums are spacious with plenty of leg room and great sightlines. Most of our new theatres are similar. The Lowry comes to mind. So what they lack in history, they certainly gain in comfort and hygiene. These kind of places are much easier to make covid-safer (I honestly don't think there is such a thing as covid 'secure'). But this is a problem for the West End.
They would never do it as would affect profits, but personally I think they should use this as a time to reduce capacity in West End theatres, redesigning auditoriums for more leg room, better sightlines. Then increasing toilet capacity. And increasing corridor space where possible. So difficult in these buildings that were not designed for the 21st century though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 9:07:35 GMT
I should add - a fantastic way to lessen the toilet demand, reduce pre show crowding and have a hugely positive impact on the bad behaviour thread - have the bars closed.
In the first phase of returning post corona this is 100% what theatres should be doing.
I honestly have no idea why it is never mentioned in all the guidance and ideas - Britain is obsessed with alcohol! For the sake of getting back to live shows, it is absolutely a sacrifice worth making in the first instance.
More of a Broadway system where building and auditorium open at same time. Bars shut. Flow around the building is much better with people moving rather than crowding in small spaces. And less wee-ing all round. A few ushers selling water/soft drinks for hydration/comfort.
It's so obvious but doesn't seem to be a conversation people are willing to have!
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 11, 2020 9:30:59 GMT
I should add - a fantastic way to lessen the toilet demand, reduce pre show crowding and have a hugely positive impact on the bad behaviour thread - have the bars closed. In the first phase of returning post corona this is 100% what theatres should be doing. I honestly have no idea why it is never mentioned in all the guidance and ideas - Britain is obsessed with alcohol! For the sake of getting back to live shows, it is absolutely a sacrifice worth making in the first instance. More of a Broadway system where building and auditorium open at same time. Bars shut. Flow around the building is much better with people moving rather than crowding in small spaces. And less wee-ing all round. A few ushers selling water/soft drinks for hydration/comfort. It's so obvious but doesn't seem to be a conversation people are willing to have! That would never work for the simple reason theatres wouldn't make any money. Imagine how much revenue comes from drinks and ice creams. Like a cinema they get most of their income from drinks and snacks rather than tickets. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 9:44:38 GMT
I should add - a fantastic way to lessen the toilet demand, reduce pre show crowding and have a hugely positive impact on the bad behaviour thread - have the bars closed. In the first phase of returning post corona this is 100% what theatres should be doing. I honestly have no idea why it is never mentioned in all the guidance and ideas - Britain is obsessed with alcohol! For the sake of getting back to live shows, it is absolutely a sacrifice worth making in the first instance. More of a Broadway system where building and auditorium open at same time. Bars shut. Flow around the building is much better with people moving rather than crowding in small spaces. And less wee-ing all round. A few ushers selling water/soft drinks for hydration/comfort. It's so obvious but doesn't seem to be a conversation people are willing to have! That would never work for the simple reason theatres wouldn't make any money. Imagine how much revenue comes from drinks and ice creams. Like a cinema they get most of their income from drinks and snacks rather than tickets. I appreciate it increases profit for sure. But MOST of income is from ticket sales. And these are extraordinary times. Sacrifices need to be made. |
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Post by Mark on Jul 11, 2020 10:31:39 GMT
Isn’t it though that whilst most of the money for individual productions come from ticket sales, the venues themselves make a large majority of money from bar takings?
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 11, 2020 10:33:17 GMT
Isn’t it though that whilst most of the money for individual productions come from ticket sales, the venues themselves make a large majority of money from bar takings? I think so. Just as film studios make the money from cinema tickets, cinemas survive on drinks and snacks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 10:42:25 GMT
I should add - a fantastic way to lessen the toilet demand, reduce pre show crowding and have a hugely positive impact on the bad behaviour thread - have the bars closed. In the first phase of returning post corona this is 100% what theatres should be doing. Quite apart from the financial impact that others have mentioned, if you have a long journey to and from the theatre it's simply not reasonable to go without something to drink. I get quite ill if I don't keep my fluid intake up so having something to drink is vital, though I generally stick to water: I've never watched a production drunk, though there have been some where I wished I was. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 11, 2020 12:14:27 GMT
Why? If I was flexible enough to lick my own arse then I'd certainly wash it before I did so, but other than that I don't understand what sitting on a toilet seat after someone else has used it is going to do to me. Do you also not sit down at home or are family bums somehow less dangerous than strangers' bums? Do you never have friends round and let them use the loo? I have OCD & I do not like touching anything other people have touched, including loo seats. Obviously one has to touch the loo door handle & the loo paper but I can wash my hands after that whereas I can't have a shower immediately afterwards each time I use a public loo. I only live with my mother & she has the same opinion I do about not sitting on public loos, so neither of us are bringing germs home to contamine our own loo. I don't have any frieds so that isn't an issue. Quite apart from the financial impact that others have mentioned, if you have a long journey to and from the theatre it's simply not reasonable to go without something to drink. I get quite ill if I don't keep my fluid intake up so having something to drink is vital, though I generally stick to water: I've never watched a production drunk, though there have been some where I wished I was. I agree having something to drink is necessary. I get a splitting headache if I don't drink plenty when I'm theatregoing in London, & sometimes even if I do, which is why theatre-related loo-going is a major issue for me with potential reopening. If I don't drink so as to try to avoid neeing the loo then I'll have too bad a headache to be able to enjoy the performance. However I don't see why anyone needs to drink anything other than water. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 14:49:10 GMT
I should add - a fantastic way to lessen the toilet demand, reduce pre show crowding and have a hugely positive impact on the bad behaviour thread - have the bars closed. In the first phase of returning post corona this is 100% what theatres should be doing. Quite apart from the financial impact that others have mentioned, if you have a long journey to and from the theatre it's simply not reasonable to go without something to drink. I get quite ill if I don't keep my fluid intake up so having something to drink is vital, though I generally stick to water: I've never watched a production drunk, though there have been some where I wished I was. Oh absolutely. That's why I mentioned ushers (and small kiosks for example) would still sell bottles of water and other pre-bottled soft drinks for comfort/health. (The ENO etc could also lighten up re allowing water bottles ;-)) Am thinking about the big musicals - purely as these are what I generally see so I have spent more time considering them. And really for these, for the big London companies (LWT/ATG/DMT) bar takings don't make the difference between profit and loss, it's between profit and more profit. And now is the time if ever there was, for extra profit to take a back seat. And if you are looking at ways to make things safer so they can open sooner, bars closed has a hugely beneficial impact on crowding and flow in cramped West End houses, which is what corona risk reduction is all about (as well as less loo trips and alcohol fuelled behaviour). It really is an easy win. 45 mins before the performance you open the doors to the theatre AND the auditorium. No bars. One way systems. Good flow. Yes it doesn't sound like a laugh a minute, but to see a musical, I'd take it. The alternative is the Cam Mac point of view that either we open in exactly the same way as we used to or we don't open at all. And that will take much longer. These are times when something has to give. Everyone will have different preferences. Mine would be to make certain sacrifices so as to open sooner. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 11, 2020 17:28:13 GMT
I go to the theatre quite a bit in Germany, and they have lots of new theatres there - have been in Bochum, Oberhausen, Cologne and Hamburg. They are large open spaces with big foyers, no narrow corridors and large adequate loos. Auditoriums are spacious with plenty of leg room and great sightlines. Most of our new theatres are similar. The Lowry comes to mind. So what they lack in history, they certainly gain in comfort and hygiene. These kind of places are much easier to make covid-safer (I honestly don't think there is such a thing as covid 'secure'). But this is a problem for the West End. They would never do it as would affect profits, but personally I think they should use this as a time to reduce capacity in West End theatres, redesigning auditoriums for more leg room, better sightlines. Then increasing toilet capacity. And increasing corridor space where possible. So difficult in these buildings that were not designed for the 21st century though. I think the listed status would prevent any sort of redesign of West End theatres short of demolishing them which would also never happen. |
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