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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2020 21:22:49 GMT
They need to open. Simple as. If you don’t want to take the risk - don’t go and stay at home until there’s a vaccine. Can everyone just get on with their lives now please? It is the opposite of 'Simple As'. You want theatres open? OK, so that means rehiring all the staff, selling tickets to an audience whose numbers are likely to be much lower than before and if they open too soon without the trust of audiences returning in good numbers they could go bust, and that's before anybody would be willing to invest in a production that could shut down at a moment's notice in a theatre that, were anybody to test positive, could also be completely shut down. Theatres will reopen, we all know that. But it is a question of when, and at the moment the simple truth is that it does not look like it will be any time soon. The end of the year would be an optimistic estimate. Besides which, why would anybody lobby for theatres to open so soon before they know it's absolutely safe? The government have deemed it safe enough for me to work on an airplane with 400+ passengers, if I wear a face mask. Don’t see why it should be any different for a theatre, especially since I’d be in direct contact with less people than at work.
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2020 23:20:41 GMT
Has anyone booked for museums or galleries yet? I'm planning to go to the Andy Warhol exhibition in August and mulling to go to Titian at the National Gallery as well.
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Post by clair on Jul 9, 2020 5:32:26 GMT
May well book for the George IV exhibition at the Queen's Gallery now they've announced opening dates, just waiting to see what my return to work dates will be before doing anything
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Jul 9, 2020 7:12:36 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 9, 2020 7:13:16 GMT
Does Rishi’s “Pig Out Plan” mean I can get my Gregg’s sausage rolls at half price in August? 🐷
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 7:46:05 GMT
It's confirmed, ALW shows can withstand literally anything, like cockroaches after a nuclear bomb Four billion years from now the sun will swell up and scorch the Earth and there'll be nothing left but bare rock and a production of Cats.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 8:05:06 GMT
A lot of people avoid Cats - as ALW found out last Christmas.
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Post by Mark on Jul 9, 2020 8:23:40 GMT
Has anyone booked for museums or galleries yet? I'm planning to go to the Andy Warhol exhibition in August and mulling to go to Titian at the National Gallery as well. I am going to the Army museum with a friend today, booked a time slot online. Something I probably wouldn't have done in normal circumstances but it looks interesting and gets us out the house! Haven't been to central London since February so looking forward to a nice walk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 8:50:51 GMT
There will be more cases. This virus could be around for years and years and years. We will have to learn to live with it. Also I find the fact that Melbourne has gone into lockdown because of around 200 cases in a day to be absolutely laughable. When they have gone through so much to prevent deaths it's only right they going to make sure they never get British death rates.
It's a virus - it's here and it's staying - no treatment/vaccine will ever be 100% effective We'll get better at treating it and a vaccine may be developed that will do something for the majority of people, but there will unfortunately never be zero deaths from covid ever again now. At some point, every nation is going to have to go down the UK/Sweden route of letting it make its way through the population. Israel is a perfect example - it shut down early and fast and so had minute cases and deaths; but the moment it opened up again, the virus continued its way through the population - it's not the fabled second wave, it's the first one that was just paused for a while.
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Post by vickyg on Jul 9, 2020 8:57:46 GMT
Has anyone booked for museums or galleries yet? I'm planning to go to the Andy Warhol exhibition in August and mulling to go to Titian at the National Gallery as well. I've booked for Titian tomorrow after work (the National Gallery are still doing Friday lates). I absolutely cannot wait. This is the one occasion where I hope the exhibition is not too enormous so that I can also go round 'route B' when I've finished. It will be so nice to do something after work that I would usually do and I'll be interested to see what it's like, how good the social distancing really is etc. The annoying person who stands smack bang in front of the picture so no one else can see will be even more annoying now that you have to stand 2m from them! I'm also excited for their announcement on their Artemisia Gentileschi exhibition which they said on instragram wasn't far off. I've been looking forward to that for a loooong time.
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 9, 2020 9:00:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 9:15:31 GMT
So do we think the government will give us a £10 discount off theatre tickets once theatre re-opens, alongside a VAT cut? It must be a much smaller cost in comparison to amount hospitality will possibly incur.
To be honest I imagine there’ll be quite a lot of initial discount offers flying around once theatre does reopen, although some of the shows with a larger fanbase might have an initial burst of capacity performances. I wouldn’t be surprised if SOLT run the GILT scheme to coincide with theatre reopening (particularly if some shows aren’t experiencing a flurry of sales that take them to capacity), and I imagine TodayTix will be full of last minute seats.
So the VAT thing I can see working (and let’s be honest, would be a decent discount) but perhaps not a £10 discount. With dynamic pricing taking over across the last few years, it’ll be interesting to see how shows price themselves upon reopening: I’m not sure the ‘price high, discount later’ model will necessarily work.
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 9, 2020 9:18:11 GMT
I'm not fussed about a discount. I'm trying to save money so that when Austentatious comes back I can book for every single performance.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 9, 2020 9:39:53 GMT
Yes the odd £10 discount here and there pales in comparison to the £3k refund I should be getting for my train season ticket, which hasn’t arrived yet.
I’d rather they lean on the travel operators to sort that out - a lot of people have struggled to get the refunds they are entitled to for holiday and business travel bookings.
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Post by londonpostie on Jul 9, 2020 9:58:33 GMT
Has anyone booked for museums or galleries yet? I'm planning to go to the Andy Warhol exhibition in August and mulling to go to Titian at the National Gallery as well. Booked Millbank Tate (twice), Bankside Tate and the National Gallery. Checking the V&A every day ...
Also keen to try out the new cycle lanes between here and there!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 10:37:37 GMT
When they have gone through so much to prevent deaths it's only right they going to make sure they never get British death rates.
It's a virus - it's here and it's staying - no treatment/vaccine will ever be 100% effective We'll get better at treating it and a vaccine may be developed that will do something for the majority of people, but there will unfortunately never be zero deaths from covid ever again now. At some point, every nation is going to have to go down the UK/Sweden route of letting it make its way through the population. Israel is a perfect example - it shut down early and fast and so had minute cases and deaths; but the moment it opened up again, the virus continued its way through the population - it's not the fabled second wave, it's the first one that was just paused for a while. Two vaccines are already at stage three, many more are not far behind them (the Oxford vaccine is one of those furthest along). That means they are likely to be ready much sooner than feared. They may, at this stage, be vaccines that reduce the effect and the high mortality levels rather than eliminate totally but that renders the callous stupidity of Sweden’s choice even more unfathomable. Israel was idiotic in its opening, getting back ‘to normal’. Same with the US. There are countries around the world that have asked their society to change and adapt and they have, and will continue to do so, as a result, they will then be well placed to track, trace and eleminate. The universal use of masks and tight controls will also pay dividends. What is this country doing? When I look around peole appear to be behaving more like Israel than Korea and that may condemn us.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jul 9, 2020 11:04:41 GMT
Exactly what all theatres around Germany / Austria are doing, trying to open with a limited capacity...because they are (partly) subsidized. Not something feasible for commercial musicals in Germany or most theatres in London for that matter. And if people really believe, ALW is the saviour of theatres with his Korean model and the Palladium will soon play to full capacity...what is the opposite of doommonger? Fantasist?
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Post by sf on Jul 9, 2020 11:43:32 GMT
It's confirmed, ALW shows can withstand literally anything, like cockroaches after a nuclear bomb Four billion years from now the sun will swell up and scorch the Earth and there'll be nothing left but bare rock and a production of Cats. And the DFS sale.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 9, 2020 12:11:55 GMT
Cats is relatively easy to adapt to social distancing on stage due to it's storyline not requiring tons of contact - many musicals have lots of vital plot points which require contact which would be hard to get around.
Maybe some more concert versions of shows could be done
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:23:10 GMT
Cats is relatively easy to adapt to social distancing on stage due to it's storyline not requiring tons of contact - many musicals have lots of vital plot points which require contact which would be hard to get around.
Maybe some more concert versions of shows could be done
Doesn't Cats have quite a lot of contact between actors? They're always rubbing against each other. The kitty orgy mid way through the Jellicle ball will have to go for starters... Them not running through the auditorium to limit actor/audience contact will be no great loss though. Other than the truly immersive New London version, has always been a gimmick really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:24:12 GMT
They are planing on opening in September. I'll be there if they do!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:25:35 GMT
Cats is relatively easy to adapt to social distancing on stage due to it's storyline not requiring tons of contact Have you seen how much fluid sprays off the performers in a dance-heavy show? If there was much more it would start out as dance and end up as synchronised swimming.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 9, 2020 12:34:12 GMT
Cats is relatively easy to adapt to social distancing on stage due to it's storyline not requiring tons of contact Have you seen how much fluid sprays off the performers in a dance-heavy show? If there was much more it would start out as dance and end up as synchronised swimming. Must be safe enough. a
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 9, 2020 12:35:12 GMT
Cats is relatively easy to adapt to social distancing on stage due to it's storyline not requiring tons of contact - many musicals have lots of vital plot points which require contact which would be hard to get around.
Maybe some more concert versions of shows could be done
Doesn't Cats have quite a lot of contact between actors? They're always rubbing against each other. The kitty orgy mid way through the Jellicle ball will have to go for starters... Them not running through the auditorium to limit actor/audience contact will be no great loss though. Other than the truly immersive New London version, has always been a gimmick really. Too right. That first bit when they’re all round you and there’s a talking bit about names. Hated it. Creeped me out! 🐈
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:35:16 GMT
They are planing on opening in September. I'll be there if they do! I mean, this is the thing, isn't it - apart from everything else, how much tourism revenue are we losing by an extended shut down of the performing arts? I'm definitely planning my travels this summer/autumn based on where I can see something live in some way, which means countries other than the UK are getting a hefty chunk of my lockdown savings.
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