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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:04:58 GMT
It's not all doom and gloom. For those interested, its worth reading the Arts Council report as to how they've been distributing over £64mil of National Lottery funding over the last few months. www.artscouncil.org.uk/covid19/data |
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2020 11:58:16 GMT
It’s very difficult to compare American theatre to British theatre because the not for profit sector doesn’t get subsidy anywhere near the same scale as the U.K.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 12:05:41 GMT
It’s very difficult to compare American theatre to British theatre because the not for profit sector doesn’t get subsidy anywhere near the same scale as the U.K. Thinking about the post pandemic world how much of those subsidy's will remain I wonder - the last few weeks has shown that the tory press don't really like Arts funding. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 12:16:05 GMT
It’s very difficult to compare American theatre to British theatre because the not for profit sector doesn’t get subsidy anywhere near the same scale as the U.K. Through post pandemic will those subsidy's remain - remember for the Tories theatres slowling going bust from 2021-2024 is not going to be electorally damaging where mass bankruptcy in the next 12 months might. I remember at the start of this whole nightmare getting extremely stressed and depressed by your many and frequent predictions of doom, including the prediction that tourism was over for ever and that none of us would ever be able to travel internationally again. I am now packing to go to Venice on Monday and have just picked up a lovely cheap flight and apartment for the Black Forest next month, so you'll forgive me if I fail to get too worked up by your latest Jeremiah act. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 12:17:26 GMT
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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2020 12:36:23 GMT
This new scheme "eat out to help out" is interesting. I'm wondering if a similar scheme could be introduced for theatres once they get back open.
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2020 12:39:55 GMT
This new scheme "eat out to help out" is interesting. I'm wondering if a similar scheme could be introduced for theatres once they get back open. I’m sure the theatre and live entertainment industry could up with something, I previously suggested a campaign with names like Michael McIntyre or Olivia Colman fronting it. |
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Post by baguette on Jul 8, 2020 14:44:09 GMT
From ALW
'Whilst I continue to impress on the government that theatres can reopen safely based on The London Palladium model, it has become clear that we need to move the opening of Cinderella to next Spring.My teams have been working throughout lockdown to prepare the show and are [1/2] raring to go, but there are key elements, not least casting and the building of sets and costumes, that take months of forward planning and can only start as we get further down the road to normal. So the show will absolutely go on, just a little later than I’d hoped.-'
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Post by baguette on Jul 8, 2020 14:49:41 GMT
A good round up of comment from leading voices in the theatre here www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/06/theatre-industry-tells-government-thanks-bailout-can-reopen/“Great to see the Government support the arts but what we really need is for the UK’s theatres to open safely as soon as practically possible,” Lord Lloyd-Webber said.
Sir Cameron Mackintosh also welcomed the package but said: “It is now critical that we are given immediate guidance on when social distancing will be phased out so we can make firm plans to reopen as soon as practical.”
Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Mr Dowden warned that reopening in the next few months would be challenging.
Nica Burns, the West End producer and co-owner of Nimax theatres, told the Daily Telegraph that she was shocked by his comments. “In all the discussions that we’ve been having, saying that it would be a challenge to open this year by Christmas was not what we expected. I take ‘challenging’ to mean ‘no’. And the critical thing is for us to be open and earning,” she said. |
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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2020 19:10:05 GMT
They need to open. Simple as. If you don’t want to take the risk - don’t go and stay at home until there’s a vaccine. Can everyone just get on with their lives now please?
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 19:18:10 GMT
They need to open. Simple as. If you don’t want to take the risk - don’t go and stay at home until there’s a vaccine. Can everyone just get on with their lives now please? Problems with that are.
1. It's not only that gets infected if you get infected - you could easily spread it to vunable people who have to go out for an urgent reason.
2. If everyone got it at once hospitals would not be able to treat everyone.
3. Unless you want to have super spreading incidents they can only open earlier with a level of social distancing not really economically viable - ditto if one of the cast or got ill it would have to shut for two weeks.
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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2020 19:21:15 GMT
They need to open. Simple as. If you don’t want to take the risk - don’t go and stay at home until there’s a vaccine. Can everyone just get on with their lives now please? Problems with that are.
1. It's not only that gets infected if you get infected - you could easily spread it to vunable people who have to go for an urgent reason. 2. If everyone got it at once hospitals would not be able to treat everyone.
Good job we can test now. Wear a mask Get it open Even at the peak of the pandemic there was never a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed. If we got to that stage with the testing we have now then there’s much bigger issues. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 19:24:04 GMT
Problems with that are.
1. It's not only that gets infected if you get infected - you could easily spread it to vunable people who have to go for an urgent reason. 2. If everyone got it at once hospitals would not be able to treat everyone.
Good job we can test now. Wear a mask Get it open Even at the peak of the pandemic there was never a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed. If we got to that stage with the testing we have now then there’s much bigger issues. The NHS literally had to shut everything down to manage - I don't think having to increase the risk of that again for theatre to resume quickly is worth it.
Masks don't work 100% you know.
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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2020 19:26:00 GMT
Good job we can test now. Wear a mask Get it open Even at the peak of the pandemic there was never a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed. If we got to that stage with the testing we have now then there’s much bigger issues. The NHS literally had to shut everything down to manage - I don't think having to increase the risk of that again for theatre to resume quickly is worth it.
Masks don't work 100% you know.
Then let’s wear masks and do what they’re doing in Korea. Can’t stay shut forever. We need a timeline and we need it, yesterday. I wear a mask at work, not through choice but because I have to. Someone somewhere must have decided it at least helps? And I’m underwater that you don’t think it’s worth it. Guessing your income doesn’t depend on it? |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 19:29:41 GMT
The NHS literally had to shut everything down to manage - I don't think having to increase the risk of that again for theatre to resume quickly is worth it.
Masks don't work 100% you know.
Then let’s wear masks and do what they’re doing in Korea. Can’t stay shut forever. We need a timeline and we need it, yesterday. There is no point putting a timeline until the autumn as second waves are occurring in so many countries they reasonably likely in the uk.
Seoul has had relatively few cases to start with and a much better testing system - we still don't test the unsymtomatic but exposed despite they still being a risk they can pass it on.
Even the gueine pig production of the Mousetrap doesn't think it's safe till October.
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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2020 19:32:58 GMT
Then let’s wear masks and do what they’re doing in Korea. Can’t stay shut forever. We need a timeline and we need it, yesterday. There is no point putting a timeline until the autumn as second waves are occurring in so many countries they reasonably likely in the uk.
Seoul has had relatively few cases to start with and a much better testing system - we still don't test the unsymtomatic but exposed despite they still being a risk they can pass it on.
Even the gueine pig production of the Mousetrap doesn't think it's safe till October.
Well we will agree to disagree. The infection rate right now is very low. If it stays low in the next week or so with things reopening it will be time to look to get back to normal. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 19:33:58 GMT
And theatres know only a few productions could run and pay everyone on 60-70% capacity every night. I will be surprised if all those 100% capacity performance's occur in Mainland Europe in September.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 19:35:18 GMT
There is no point putting a timeline until the autumn as second waves are occurring in so many countries they reasonably likely in the uk.
Seoul has had relatively few cases to start with and a much better testing system - we still don't test the unsymtomatic but exposed despite they still being a risk they can pass it on.
Even the gueine pig production of the Mousetrap doesn't think it's safe till October.
Well we will agree to disagree. The infection rate right now is very low. If it stays low in the next week or so with things reopening it will be time to look to get back to normal. Things reopened in Melbourne and Israel and Belgrade two months ago and the second wave is only just happening - one week is way too soon to tell. |
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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2020 19:45:54 GMT
Well we will agree to disagree. The infection rate right now is very low. If it stays low in the next week or so with things reopening it will be time to look to get back to normal. Things reopened in Melbourne and Israel and Belgrade two months ago and the second wave is only just happening - one week is way too soon to tell. There will be more cases. This virus could be around for years and years and years. We will have to learn to live with it. Also I find the fact that Melbourne has gone into lockdown because of around 200 cases in a day to be absolutely laughable. |
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Post by stevej678 on Jul 8, 2020 19:48:57 GMT
Well we will agree to disagree. The infection rate right now is very low. If it stays low in the next week or so with things reopening it will be time to look to get back to normal. Things reopened in Melbourne and Israel and Belgrade two months ago and the second wave is only just happening - one week is way too soon to tell. More scaremongering about a second wave and more doommongering about how long it will be until theatres reopen... What will you post about when we're all back watching live theatre again? |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 19:51:26 GMT
Things reopened in Melbourne and Israel and Belgrade two months ago and the second wave is only just happening - one week is way too soon to tell. There will be more cases. This virus could be around for years and years and years. We will have to learn to live with it. Also I find the fact that Melbourne has gone into lockdown because of around 200 cases in a day to be absolutely laughable. When they have gone through so much to prevent deaths it's only right they going to make sure they never get British death rates.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 19:53:48 GMT
Things reopened in Melbourne and Israel and Belgrade two months ago and the second wave is only just happening - one week is way too soon to tell. More scaremongering about a second wave and more doommongering about how long it will be until theatres reopen... What will you post about when we're all back watching live theatre again? Many Western Europe and East Asian countries are doing with ok with new cases but we have to be cautious - no point setting deadlines that end up not being met.
Is anyone on Broadway trying to use the Korea method?
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Post by stevej678 on Jul 8, 2020 20:13:56 GMT
More scaremongering about a second wave and more doommongering about how long it will be until theatres reopen... What will you post about when we're all back watching live theatre again? So saying it needs to be longer than a week before declaring that theatre and other top line risky activities is perfectly safe is scaremongering? Many Western Europe and East Asian countries are doing with ok with new cases but we have to be cautious.
Is anyone on Broadway trying to use the Korea method?
In the last seven hours alone, you've spammed this thread with scaremongering that: - Subsidies will be withdrawn from theatres that currently receive them;
- Theatres will all be allowed to slowly go bust in the next four years;
- Theatres re-opening is completely unsafe and would cause super-spreading events of the virus that would overwhelm the NHS;
- A timeline on theatres re-opening is pointless until at least the autumn;
- Second waves of the virus are raging all over the world;
- It's not safe for anyone to set foot in a theatre, even with social distancing, for at least the next three months;
- Full capacity productions won't happen in Europe as planned;
- Theatres are unviable even at 70% capacity;
- Going to the theatre is "a top line risky activity".
I think we're all realistic about when and how theatres might slowly re-open. There's a difference between having a balanced discussion about that and indulging in the sort of rabid, gleeful doommongering highlighted above.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 20:18:05 GMT
The infection rate right now is very low. If it stays low in the next week or so with things reopening it will be time to look to get back to normal. It's low now because people are still distancing and still taking precautions. The number of infections is roughly what it was in early March, but if we stop the distancing then we'll be right back where we were in March and looking at a repeat of April. The virus isn't going to say "Well, I gave it my best shot and you beat me so I'll give up now". If we give it the chance it'll do exactly what it did last time. It can't do anything else: it can only follow the same very simple mathematical and biological rules that it followed before. We can, and should, start opening up as much as it's safe to open up, but it's absolutely imperative that we keep the overall reproduction rate of the virus below one. If we get back into exponential growth — and we will get back into exponential growth if we don't actively work to prevent it — then all the pain and expense of the past four months will have been for nothing. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 8, 2020 21:11:34 GMT
They need to open. Simple as. If you don’t want to take the risk - don’t go and stay at home until there’s a vaccine. Can everyone just get on with their lives now please? It is the opposite of 'Simple As'. You want theatres open? OK, so that means rehiring all the staff, selling tickets to an audience whose numbers are likely to be much lower than before and if they open too soon without the trust of audiences returning in good numbers they could go bust, and that's before anybody would be willing to invest in a production that could shut down at a moment's notice in a theatre that, were anybody to test positive, could also be completely shut down. Theatres will reopen, we all know that. But it is a question of when, and at the moment the simple truth is that it does not look like it will be any time soon. The end of the year would be an optimistic estimate. Besides which, why would anybody lobby for theatres to open so soon before they know it's absolutely safe? |
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