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Post by Jon on Jun 24, 2020 13:25:05 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Jun 24, 2020 13:45:43 GMT
People don't know how to use gloves - you're meant to remove and discard them between each contact with someone who might be infectious. That would mean a shop assistant having a fresh pair of gloves for each customer. Keeping gloves on all day is pointless. It's not even protecting the person wearing them - you're just as (if not more) likely to touch a contaminated glove and then touch your face/rub your eyes as you are an ungloved hand, if you keep them on for any length of time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 14:17:10 GMT
People don't know how to use gloves - you're meant to remove and discard them between each contact with someone who might be infectious. That would mean a shop assistant having a fresh pair of gloves for each customer. Keeping gloves on all day is pointless. It's not even protecting the person wearing them - you're just as (if not more) likely to touch a contaminated glove and then touch your face/rub your eyes as you are an ungloved hand, if you keep them on for any length of time. I see people walking around in them and I have no idea what they think they are achieving. Reminds me of the time I went to a local cafe to get my favourite hangover sandwich and the guy put on gloves to make it, gave change to someone else, picked his nose, scratched his armpit and then handled all the ingredients - he clearly thought gloves were some kind of magic sterilising device! I still ate the sandwich, though, because I was really desperate and it was bloody good. |
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Post by marcellus on Jun 24, 2020 14:36:26 GMT
This is probably the worst part of the government's "wash your hands" messaging. It's got people fixating on the risks of touching things, and on sterilising as many surfaces as possible, while cheerfully shrugging at the risks of sitting with minimal social distancing in a poorly ventilated pub or theatre for a couple of hours. Don't get me wrong, COVID is a highly contagious disease, and anything that can mitigate the risks of spreading it through the general population is to be encouraged. But the main mode of transmission is through inhaling other people's aerosols, not from touching contaminated surfaces. |
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Post by theatreian on Jun 24, 2020 14:46:48 GMT
A couple of good news stories. one about the Artrix in Bromsgrove with hopes for a buyer and another general one about funding. www.bromsgroveadvertiser.co.uk/news/18526879.new-artrix-theatre-could-running-september/Extra support could be offered to theatres in England which have been ordered to remain closed for live performances, Downing Street has indicated. The Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “We are talking to the arts sector and considering ways in which we might be able to support them in addition to the unprecedented financial assistance we have already given.” |
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Post by maggiem on Jun 24, 2020 15:10:45 GMT
And one bad one I've just learned www.theatreroyal.co.uk/coronavirusI've emailed my MP James Grundy to give support during tomorrow's debate, citing Plymouth Theatre Royal, and now there's even more reason to push the issue. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 24, 2020 15:17:03 GMT
Keeping gloves on all day is pointless. It's not even protecting the person wearing them - you're just as (if not more) likely to touch a contaminated glove and then touch your face/rub your eyes as you are an ungloved hand, if you keep them on for any length of time. Isn't the point to use the gloves for touching potentially contaminated objects then remove them if you want to touch your face? That's how I've been doing it for years, as with my OCD I wear gloves when out & about all year round (fleece in winter, cotton in summer). If I want to rub my eyes or blow my nose I slip the gloves off for a minute to do so, then put them back on after I've finished. |
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Post by peggysue on Jun 24, 2020 15:31:09 GMT
And one bad one I've just learned www.theatreroyal.co.uk/coronavirusI've emailed my MP James Grundy to give support during tomorrow's debate, citing Plymouth Theatre Royal, and now there's even more reason to push the issue. Have just received the same email. It’s utterly heartbreaking. |
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Post by clair on Jun 24, 2020 15:31:11 GMT
Wearing gloves without changing them constantly means that you are still continually spreading any contamination for others - using hand sanitiser between shops means you don't spread anything from one shop to another, wearing the same gloves in different shops will be spreading germs - is how I've had it explained to me. I got so confused by all the 'advice' online that I spoke to the GP and a friend who works in the NHS and they both said the same thing so I'm sticking to their comments. That doesn't mean I'm right but I simply can't face going through all the different suggestions online to try to make sense of it all
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Post by kathryn on Jun 24, 2020 15:33:35 GMT
Dawnstar That’s ok if you can get them off and back on again without touching the outside of the glove at all. If you touch the glove’s outside with your hand then you potentially contaminate your hand. (This won’t actually have mattered all that much to you in the past, as the surfaces you touched were unlikely to actually be contaminated with anything very harmful. And to be honest the research points to low risk of Coronavirus infection from surfaces too.) There’s a reason why healthcare professionals have to be trained in using PPE - it’s very easy to defeat the object by using the wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 15:40:51 GMT
And one bad one I've just learned www.theatreroyal.co.uk/coronavirusI've emailed my MP James Grundy to give support during tomorrow's debate, citing Plymouth Theatre Royal, and now there's even more reason to push the issue. This is just unbearable. I've written to my MP as well - even though she is supportive of the arts, it never hurts for an MP to know their constituents care about an issue. Please, everyone write to your MP about support the creative sector - it's one thing we can do that might actually have some effect. |
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Post by sleepflower on Jun 24, 2020 16:43:17 GMT
If there is a 'second wave' in winter, how will they even get to start up again? Feeling despondent. We can't just stop theatre and mass events for good because of this, surely. Sometimes it feels like that's going to happen.
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Post by xanady on Jun 24, 2020 17:05:40 GMT
Curve Leicester have announced there will be no Christmas show this year.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 24, 2020 17:35:48 GMT
The second UK vaccine trial (at Imperial College) is starting human testing, the Oxford trial is going very well - with the new production facility underway.
There is hope
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Post by crowblack on Jun 24, 2020 17:59:03 GMT
That’s ok if you can get them off and back on again without touching the outside of the glove at all. This is quite do-able with leather or cotton gloves though very hard with synthetics. Wearing gloves makes you more conscious of / less likely to touch your face so that hand-to-mouth transmission route is reduced. It also means your hands are less raw, which is an OCD issue that many will now be experiencing, I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 18:12:40 GMT
The second UK vaccine trial (at Imperial College) is starting human testing, the Oxford trial is going very well - with the new production facility underway. There is hope Even assuming it was effective it would be spring next year at the very earliest before you could start rolling it out. We have to learn to live with this virus - deal with localised outbreaks if/when they happen, but get used to living with it. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 24, 2020 18:17:04 GMT
The second UK vaccine trial (at Imperial College) is starting human testing, the Oxford trial is going very well - with the new production facility underway. There is hope Even assuming it was effective it would be spring next year at the very earliest before you could start rolling it out. We have to learn to live with this virus - deal with localised outbreaks if/when they happen, but get used to living with it. I don't deny that - but the fact that things are progressing with a range of vaccine options is encouraging that science will prove a more durable solution |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
oxfordsimon Yes, you're right. It's not helpful to be negative. It just all feels endless and full of gloom at the moment, and it's hard not to be terribly depressed.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 24, 2020 19:15:21 GMT
Dawnstar That’s ok if you can get them off and back on again without touching the outside of the glove at all. If you touch the glove’s outside with your hand then you potentially contaminate your hand. (This won’t actually have mattered all that much to you in the past, as the surfaces you touched were unlikely to actually be contaminated with anything very harmful. And to be honest the research points to low risk of Coronavirus infection from surfaces too.) There’s a reason why healthcare professionals have to be trained in using PPE - it’s very easy to defeat the object by using the wrong. I only touch the outside of each glove with the outside of the other glove. I'm not saying it'd be effective against coronavirus but until a few months ago my main concern was avoiding sickness bugs & I haven't been sick since I was 12 (now 35) so my OCD & subsequent glove wearing has worked in that sense. I realise coronavirus, being mainly airborne, is a lot harder to avoid. |
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Post by moelhywel on Jun 24, 2020 21:53:17 GMT
Posted this in another thread as it seemed to follow on fron the last post there but thoght it relevant here as well.
Item on theatres coming up on Newsnight soon.
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Post by baguette on Jun 24, 2020 22:51:39 GMT
If anyone wondered what Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden was up to...
He's suddenly realised that doing nothing for the dance world threatens 11 million viewers of Strictly Come Dancing. I imagine those dance studios and rehearsal spaces will be mysteriously open at the beginning of July.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 24, 2020 23:33:02 GMT
If anyone wondered what Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden was up to... He's suddenly realised that doing nothing for the dance world threatens 11 million viewers of Strictly Come Dancing. I imagine those dance studios and rehearsal spaces will be mysteriously open at the beginning of July. So sitting in a theatre is off limits but going to a dance class or dance hall full of sweaty bodies gyrating is just fine? |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 25, 2020 0:06:25 GMT
t confounds me the people who do not wear masks There's not an infinite supply of masks and only the more expensive ones can be used for more than a few hours. If you keep distant from other people then wearing a mask is superfluous, and if you wear one anyway then all you're doing is wasting a mask. They should certainly be worn where distancing is impossible — nobody should be using public transport without one — but distancing must remain the primary method of controlling this disease and masks are very much a fallback to somewhat reduce the risk when the primary method isn't available. Interestingly, when I've been shopping the people who aren't bothering to keep their distance and feel free to barge past others are the people with masks. People seem to be acting as if wearing a mask means you don't need distancing, and that's wrong. Simple if you don’t like wearing a mask, then you will not like to wear a ventilator. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 3:14:44 GMT
There's not an infinite supply of masks and only the more expensive ones can be used for more than a few hours. If you keep distant from other people then wearing a mask is superfluous, and if you wear one anyway then all you're doing is wasting a mask. They should certainly be worn where distancing is impossible — nobody should be using public transport without one — but distancing must remain the primary method of controlling this disease and masks are very much a fallback to somewhat reduce the risk when the primary method isn't available. Interestingly, when I've been shopping the people who aren't bothering to keep their distance and feel free to barge past others are the people with masks. People seem to be acting as if wearing a mask means you don't need distancing, and that's wrong. Simple if you don’t like wearing a mask, then you will not like to wear a ventilator. Wearing a mask when you're not close enough to other people for disease to pass between you is like wearing a condom when you're not having sex. Masks are a method of last resort when you have no other method available. They're not even a particularly good method: some masks offer very little protection, as opposed to the 100% protection offered by distancing, and when you wear a mask you don't even know how much safer it makes you. Some of you are treating masks as though they're magic and should be our first line of defence, and that's a dangerous way of thinking. You can wear a mask and put yourself at risk if you like. I'll carry on doing my best to stay away from other people whenever I can. |
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Post by Rory on Jun 25, 2020 7:06:15 GMT
The Government silence is absolutely disgraceful. Really shocking.
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