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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 16:55:32 GMT
I'm *so* excited by today's relaxations. Get me into the National Gallery right this minute! To think of the 6 Titian Poesie paintings hanging on the wall together for the first time in over 400 yrs with no one looking at them is so sad! Hopefully they will be able to open the exhibition and the usual galleries although I'm sure some of the small rooms will be unusable. With no theatre likely for several months, I only have the paintings to save me! Yes but getting there will be a nightmare on public transport. Those underground images I keep seeing are frightful and whilst there are other forms of public transport, I don’t want to make it more difficult for people getting to work by making it busier. It’ll be interesting to see what TFL have to say about the new announcements. As someone who has been on the Tube during the crisis, it is practically empty outside rush hour. Wear a mask and stand in an empty space and there is no reason to think it "frightful" all the time. And rush hour in London is rush hour in London, we will all just have to get used to that eventually, which is why face coverings are compulsory (though ideally should be better enforced by having some form of letter or badge that can only be given to people who can prove they should be exempt so unscrupulous people don't take advantage of the exemption). Or get a taxi if you are too frightened, though I expect most people who are too scared to get on public transport might also be too scared to go to galleries or cinemas.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 23, 2020 16:57:52 GMT
What if a theatre films a play and then plays it exclusively at the venue? You have to pay (x) amount to watch it and can't see it anywhere else? The argument is that the risk to the health of stage performers is too great for any of them to appear on stage at all. So that would presumably apply during filming..... You can do a lot with camera angles to cheat things (as they are doing for filming soaps etc) Or you just cast people who are already living with each other!
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Post by Jon on Jun 23, 2020 17:13:55 GMT
I'm looking forward to the museums and galleries reopening, I was meant to see the Andy Warhol exhibition at the Tate Modern back in March but they closed just before I was going to see it, hopefully I will be able to see it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 17:41:16 GMT
Yes but getting there will be a nightmare on public transport. Those underground images I keep seeing are frightful and whilst there are other forms of public transport, I don’t want to make it more difficult for people getting to work by making it busier. It’ll be interesting to see what TFL have to say about the new announcements. As someone who has been on the Tube during the crisis, it is practically empty outside rush hour. Wear a mask and stand in an empty space and there is no reason to think it "frightful" all the time. And rush hour in London is rush hour in London, we will all just have to get used to that eventually, which is why face coverings are compulsory (though ideally should be better enforced by having some form of letter or badge that can only be given to people who can prove they should be exempt so unscrupulous people don't take advantage of the exemption). Or get a taxi if you are too frightened, though I expect most people who are too scared to get on public transport might also be too scared to go to galleries or cinemas. Thank you for feeling the need to put me in my place, in that wonderfully dismissive manner you’ve got going on. No wonder you feel confident getting on the underground. TFL confirmed a reduction in capacity due to staffing levels and the BBC news showed footage of commuters packing into carriages during the height of the pandemic. Frightful is exactly what they were - seeing people put their live at risk to get to work. Of course I never suggested there wasn’t a quieter period, but I thought I’d be okay not clarifying every view point in my every post. As it stands, today’s announcements about businesses and recreation opening suggest an increase in public transport usage as more people need to get to work - so wave goodbye to those quieter times you’ve observed outside of rush hour. When you consider you still need to maintain a 1m distance from people on the underground, space is limited. You’re talking someone sitting in every other seat. Maybe 5 people stood in the standing space at 1m comfortably. The underground is not designed for social distancing - train or platforms - and I don’t see how it could be used safely.
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Post by zahidf on Jun 23, 2020 19:38:19 GMT
The argument is that the risk to the health of stage performers is too great for any of them to appear on stage at all. So that would presumably apply during filming..... You can do a lot with camera angles to cheat things (as they are doing for filming soaps etc) Or you just cast people who are already living with each other! Or a monologue from say Ian McKellen or a big name? Something like that. Just an idea and it may not be feasible, but I think something like that may be worth a go
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 20:05:34 GMT
When you consider you still need to maintain a 1m distance from people on the underground, space is limited. You’re talking someone sitting in every other seat. Maybe 5 people stood in the standing space at 1m comfortably. The underground is not designed for social distancing - train or platforms - and I don’t see how it could be used safely. I wasn't intending to be dismissive, just pointing to my own experience as someone who has on occasion commuted during this pandemic rather than simply commenting on news reports which by their very nature will focus on the worst, as that is the story. You don't need to maintain a 1m distance on the underground - as you say, that is impossible. That is the whole point of making sure everyone is wearing masks - masks are for places where social distancing is impossible. If both you and those standing near you are wearing masks that substantially reduces transmission risk. You're never going to be 100% safe doing anything that involves walking out of your front door. And my last paragraph in my other post is just the truth - if you don't feel comfortable using the Tube you have the choice of finding ways around it or just not going out, and nothing is ever going to change that as no mode of travel is designed for social distancing. That is why reduced social distancing comes with additional protective equipment requirements. I make no apology for choosing to be pragmatic having assessed my risk level and that of those around me, and the fact that I am capable of contributing to restarting the economy. That to me is preferable than the long term effects to millions of leaving the economy to collapse and thousands more losing their jobs. If others wish to be more cautious, that is their choice, but I don't intend to live in fear when the only high risk people I come into contact with are those who have chosen to go out. I can be far more use working and contributing to consumer spending than sitting at home waiting for a vaccine, and if that means donning a mask and getting on the Tube at some point then then that is what I will do and the risk I choose to take.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 21:48:58 GMT
I follow a number of epidemiologists, public health people and similar on twitter. It’s great that, in these times, we can now go right to the source, rather than allowing politicians and press to ‘interpret’. It also shows how much pf what government has done is pure politics, cherrypicking that which gets them what they wanted in the first place. Some of those frequently quoted people? Out of step and sometimes downright cranks. We would never have known that, even a decade ago. Would you mind giving the names of those you follow? Cheers! A few to look at are - Public Health @devisridhar (Edinburgh) @trishgreenhalgh (Oxford) @azeem_Majeed (Imperial) Epidmiologist @drzoehyde (Australia) @epiellie (Boston) Statistician (epidemiology) @maartenvsmeden (Utrecht) @drsarahjarvis also good for the ‘media medic’ perspective. Hope i got all of the twitter handles right. You can get an idea of others from these as they converse with colleagues as well as the general public.
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 23, 2020 21:53:30 GMT
Would you mind giving the names of those you follow? Cheers! A few to look at are - Public Health @devisridhar (Edinburgh) @trishgreenhalgh (Oxford) @azeem_Majeed (Imperial) Epidmiologist @drzoehyde (Australia) @epiellie (Boston) Statistician (epidemiology) @maartenvsmeden (Utrecht) @drsarahjarvis also good for the ‘media medic’ perspective. Hope i got all of the twitter handles right. You can get an idea of others from these as they converse with colleagues as well as the general public. Thank you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 22:22:11 GMT
A few to look at are - Public Health @devisridhar (Edinburgh) @trishgreenhalgh (Oxford) @azeem_Majeed (Imperial) Epidmiologist @drzoehyde (Australia) @epiellie (Boston) Statistician (epidemiology) @maartenvsmeden (Utrecht) @drsarahjarvis also good for the ‘media medic’ perspective. Hope i got all of the twitter handles right. You can get an idea of others from these as they converse with colleagues as well as the general public. Thank you @epiellie with capitals, knew I’d get one wrong. (Weird, the first two e’s should be capitalised but it saves them as lower case, same for some of the others. Must be because it thinks they are emails or something). I also follow cardiologists and cardiovascular types, as I have a congenital condition which brings these things into play. It’s like Christmas for medics when they find out I have this, there are maybe about 5000 in the UK like me and many won’t be aware of it until something happens. I have to wear a tag, just in case I keel over and can’t tell them about it. Any guesses what it is? Answer is Dextrocardia. My heart is on the right not the left, an ill judged surgeon’s knife could be a real problem (though I might survive a firing squad, on the off chance that ever happens to me).
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 23, 2020 23:20:01 GMT
It confounds me the people who do not wear masks, it enhances our economic freedom, it doesn’t curtail it - gets the economy open quicker and makes that opening more sustainable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 3:27:49 GMT
t confounds me the people who do not wear masks There's not an infinite supply of masks and only the more expensive ones can be used for more than a few hours. If you keep distant from other people then wearing a mask is superfluous, and if you wear one anyway then all you're doing is wasting a mask. They should certainly be worn where distancing is impossible — nobody should be using public transport without one — but distancing must remain the primary method of controlling this disease and masks are very much a fallback to somewhat reduce the risk when the primary method isn't available. Interestingly, when I've been shopping the people who aren't bothering to keep their distance and feel free to barge past others are the people with masks. People seem to be acting as if wearing a mask means you don't need distancing, and that's wrong.
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Post by clair on Jun 24, 2020 7:08:55 GMT
Also many people who have suffered abuse in it's many forms will possibly/probably have had their mouths covered at some point to prevent then screaming/shouting - wearing a mask could be impossible for them. Of course there are selfish people thinking they can do as they please but let's not judge that this is automatically the case, we don't know everyone's story
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 7:19:17 GMT
Masks make me feel like someone out of Handmaid's Tale; I feel demeaned wearing one. I know it's daft but it's how I feel. I'll wear them where they are needed/compulsory but don't tell me I'm not allowed to dislike it. Also I never knew before how bad my breath smells...
Needless to say, I will wear one without complaint if that is the price of sitting in a theatre sooner rather than later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 7:35:46 GMT
Masks make me feel like someone out of Handmaid's Tale; I feel demeaned wearing one. I know it's daft but it's how I feel. I'll wear them where they are needed/compulsory but don't tell me I'm not allowed to dislike it. Also I never knew before how bad my breath smells... Needless to say, I will wear one without complaint if that is the price of sitting in a theatre sooner rather than later. Just remember you're not wearing a mask to protect yourself. You're wearing one to prevent the spread of the virus you may well be unknowingly hosting and thereby protecting any number of vulnerable people around you.
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Post by alece10 on Jun 24, 2020 7:59:04 GMT
The first day masks were made mandatory on public transport pretty much everyone wore one. However there were police at my start and finish station plus staff at the bus stop to enforce the rule. Day 2. No police or staff and about 70% wearing them. Monday. 9 people in the carriage. 2 wearing masks the rest with none at all or pulled down under their chin. Novelty wore off very quickly.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 24, 2020 8:11:18 GMT
vickyg The toilet info is GOLD! Me and a friend have been toilet spotting since the start of May...! This is the biggest thing to get sorted. I am sure that one of the reasons my local sea front has been so busy is that word got around that the public toilets are all open (they were never closed, in fact), so it's one of the few places you can comfortably spend more than an hour or two outside. Even some of the local parks that have been open the whole time haven't had their toilets open.
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Post by zahidf on Jun 24, 2020 8:43:13 GMT
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Post by theatreian on Jun 24, 2020 8:45:02 GMT
The petition I signed last week has now got a debate in the House of Commons tomorrow.At least ti shows you can have some effect by signing such things. Details here: You recently signed the petition “Offer more support to the arts (particularly Theatres and Music) amidst COVID-19”: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/320711The Petitions Committee, which is the group of MPs who oversee the petitions system, has agreed to schedule a debate in the House of Commons Chamber on Thursday 25 June on petitions calling for support for UK industries in response to Covid-19. The debate is being held in response to the huge number of petitions, including the one you signed, that call for the Government to provide support for UK industries in response to Covid-19. The start time of the debate will depend on other parliamentary business, but you can follow the Petitions Committee on Twitter @hocpetitions, where we will post updates on when we expect the debate to start. You will be able to watch the debate live here: parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/a7b6db44-6101-42c7-b2a0-32abd08b80efA transcript will be published the following day here: hansard.parliament.uk
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Post by maggiem on Jun 24, 2020 9:05:20 GMT
Last Friday I had annual leave (I'm working from home). For the first time in 3 months, I had a ride to Manchester for some retail therapy. I wore a mask, cleansed my hands at every shop door I used and maintained 2 metres social distance when necessary. Unlike the Monday of that week, it was quite pleasant in the Arndale and I felt safe. I will go to the cinema and my local library as soon as they open.
In August, I'm going to London, as I always intended. I will check my emails for any advice given by my hotel, ditto for National Express coaches, and take instruction from the underground/gallery/museum staff when there. I'm going to check which museums and galleries are open and plan an alternate schedule, as there is no theatre at the moment.
Yes, there are risks, and as someone with asthma, I can't eliminate the worry. But in the end, I want as normal a break as I can manage, and will do everything possible to ensure it. For the first time in many weeks, I feel a bit more in control.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 9:31:42 GMT
Masks make me feel like someone out of Handmaid's Tale; I feel demeaned wearing one. I know it's daft but it's how I feel. I'll wear them where they are needed/compulsory but don't tell me I'm not allowed to dislike it. Also I never knew before how bad my breath smells... Needless to say, I will wear one without complaint if that is the price of sitting in a theatre sooner rather than later. Just remember you're not wearing a mask to protect yourself. You're wearing one to prevent the spread of the virus you may well be unknowingly hosting and thereby protecting any number of vulnerable people around you. I work in a science institution; I'm more than aware of the hows, whys and wheres of masks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 10:26:30 GMT
Masks make me feel like someone out of Handmaid's Tale; I feel demeaned wearing one. I know it's daft but it's how I feel. I'll wear them where they are needed/compulsory but don't tell me I'm not allowed to dislike it. Also I never knew before how bad my breath smells... Needless to say, I will wear one without complaint if that is the price of sitting in a theatre sooner rather than later. I know a lot of people who feel the same (not sure anyone likes it) and they’ve basically took to designing their own in an attempt to put some personality into them. My mother, for example, has added about a million Swarovski crystals to hers (how she expects to breathe I’ll never know) and I know some kids that have been learning to sew and add sequin and things to them. I’ve seen people walking around with masks that resemble Darth Vadar, Mickey Mouse and various other novelties. It won’t last forever so might as well have some fun with it I reckon.
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Post by xanady on Jun 24, 2020 12:14:30 GMT
An actor friend of mine made me laugh last night by describing Worzel’s announcement on theatres re-opening as similar to visiting an aquarium and being told- ‘There’s no fish but you are very welcome to admire the water’😂😂
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Post by cherokee on Jun 24, 2020 12:29:02 GMT
I'm somewhat baffled by the outrage on twitter about todays relaxations in relation to the none relaxation of Theatre. Surely nobody expected theatres to suddenly just be allowed to open and put shows on? That's why everything has been postponed. I'm a bit confused by the response. Plus he did specifically mention Theatre and trying to get it back up and running ASAP, which i thought showed an acknowledgement of the importance. I believe that he has said that theatres can open, but not put on live performances, now this to some used to going to the west end or working in the West End might seem contradictory but many regional theatres and other London venues are far more than their auditorium and far more than putting on a panto or musical, so the building being allowed to be physically open and being allowed to start up some aspects of all the other things they do, is good news. I guess it's the fact that he's said theatres can open and then said they can't put on live performances, which begs the question: so what are they supposed to do? If it had been followed up by concrete information or a support package, people would be less concerned. But on the day that Theatre Royal Plymouth is announcing redundancies, it feels like they're kicking the can down the road yet again. Vague talk about consulting people and task forces. They don't seem to appreciate the urgency with which the theatre world needs support. I don't think anybody expected an announcement that all the theatres can reopen: it just feels that they're not acknowledging the issues at all. And worse that they don't really care. I take the point that theatres do more than just put on shows in their auditoria: that they provide community outreach work, maybe they have a cafe, etc. But if they can't actually put on shows which is what generates their income, then they remain unviable. The danger is Joe Bloggs hears 'theatres can open again' as the headline, and then wonders why all the luvvies are still banging on about needing bailouts. A cynic would suggest that's exactly what the government wants to happen.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 24, 2020 12:47:32 GMT
The reason theatres can't open normally is because socially distanced performances are not really possible right now.
We don't want the government stipulating which shows can be done and how they should be performed. That is not the role of the state. There are no live performances scheduled for the next couple of months anyway - so keeping the 'no live performance' rule in place at the moment isn't depriving anyone of theatre they can actually attend.
Unless such time that casts and crew can assemble to make theatre safely, we won't see a return to anything like normality. And yes, there are pieces that can be done safely - but not enough to sustain the industry.
Theatres can, as far as I understand it, show recorded performances - assuming they have the projection capability. This may bring in some useful revenue. Perhaps NTLive could make things available that have not been shown on YouTube to make that an attractive possibility
Theatre bars/cafes can open up - again bringing in some income where that is possible.
The reality is that live performance with more than a very small number of people on stage is just not safe enough to be worth the risk. Theatres can learn from how cinemas manage audiences to be better prepared when they can start staging events.
I don't understand why the blanket ban also extends to very small scale concerts. A solo piano recital, an evening with a well spread string quartet or a recital by a vocalist (or instrumentalist) with a pianist would perfectly safe.
This could extend to 'An evening with' type theatre events - such as Sir Ian was doing on his big tour.
I suspect the restrictions will be reduced further in a few weeks time and there will be more of a road map towards at least a partial reopening for live performance. But we just aren't there yet. You only have to look what happened with the small scale tennis events that Djokovic started up - with the very best of intentions and unfortunate outcomes. We don't want any theatre to reopen only for this to happen under similar circumstances.
I know it is frustrating. I know the industry is in need of support - but finding the right way to provide that takes time. It has to be focused very carefully to deliver maximum benefit. I don't want it in the hands of ACE.
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