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Post by talkingheads on Jun 25, 2020 9:30:18 GMT
Cinema guidelines. Lots of people won't be happy about the wearing of masks not being either enforced or encouraged:
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Post by kathryn on Jun 25, 2020 9:34:24 GMT
You can wear a mask and put yourself at risk if you like. I'll carry on doing my best to stay away from other people whenever I can. I haven't been wearing a mask out and about because I feel I can distance from people easily enough. I am lucky to be somewhere with nice wide pavements, a pedestrianised high street, don't have to get public transport and to be able to shop when it is quiet. And people are mostly considerate. I haven't needed to be in a crowded indoor space for a long period of time and can leave outdoor spaces when they start to feel uncomfortably crowded. But if I was in the US and going out and about I would - there's a higher prevalence rate, and too many people who seem to think following public health guidelines is a sign of weakness. I would worry a lot more about meeting people who are infected and potentially being infected myself without knowing it. Everyone's risk assessment will be slightly different. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 25, 2020 10:00:58 GMT
Newcastle Theatre Royal forced to make half its staff redundant:
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Post by sf on Jun 25, 2020 10:04:42 GMT
Masks are a method of last resort when you have no other method available. They're not even a particularly good method: some masks offer very little protection, as opposed to the 100% protection offered by distancing, and when you wear a mask you don't even know how much safer it makes you. Some of you are treating masks as though they're magic and should be our first line of defence, and that's a dangerous way of thinking. No, that's a sign that you're missing the point of wearing a mask, which - in the face of a disease whose carriers are contagious for days before they begin to show symptoms - is less about protecting yourself, and more about potentially protecting other people from you.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBoIuh2j72A  Countries where people have very quickly adopted wide usage of masks, like the Czech Republic, have done a far better job than we have of getting their infection rate down to a point where it's safe enough to start opening up again; it's probably ridiculous to expect widespread compliance with a measure designed to protect other people in a country as thoroughly selfish as this one is becoming, but the science is clear, and what people out in enclosed public spaces without a mask on are saying, loudly and clearly, is that they have absolutely no respect for anybody other than themselves. And THAT, I'm afraid, is an incredibly dangerous way of thinking. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 25, 2020 10:06:57 GMT
The wonderful Hackney Empire has launched a crowdfunding campaign to raise funds. It would be devestating if it closed, the history and community is brilliant and for a London theatre the tickets are always affordable! payitforward.london.gov.uk/save-hackney-empire-1 |
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Post by baguette on Jun 25, 2020 10:44:04 GMT
Those UK Cinema guidelines are not as tight as France. This is madness.
The requirement in France is that you wear a mask going in/out of the cinema when it's hard to maintain social distancing. That just seems plain sensible and an obvious step to keep everyone safe. When you are in your seat, you can take the mask off. Social distancing of 1 seat empty between booking families.
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Post by southstreet on Jun 25, 2020 10:54:18 GMT
When I go out for my (used to be daily at the beginning of lockdown but now more like twice weekly) walk in the local park, I don't wear a mask because it's easy enough for me to stay away from people. However, when I go shopping, as soon as I hit the high street, I wear a mask because there it becomes impossible to stay away from people, however hard I might try as most people just don't seem to care and don't make space for others to walk past anymore. Looking at the queues for Primark and Sports Direct, etc. on my local high street, if this is supposed to be 2m distancing, then 1m+ from next week will basically mean as long as we don't physically touch, we're good, because the average space between people queuing that I've seen since last week was about 50cm.
I totally get that wearing a mask is not the cure to the virus and there is still a chance to spread it (though I had covid in March/April, so am less worried for myself right now in terms of catching or spreading it) but it still makes it a lot less likely that you'll pass it on to anyone else if you have the virus and are asymptomatic.
And I absolutely understand that for some people it's not possible due to physical or mental health reasons, but the vast majority of people don't fall into that category, so should be able to make this small adjustment when going shopping, etc. I absolutely hate wearing the mask, it steams up my glasses a lot and I don't even think I am at risk for passing the virus on to anyone due to having had Covid, but I still do it just in case once I get to areas where I can't control how close I'll get to people, be that inside shops or outside on busy high streets.
I just don't get the reluctance in Britain to wearing them and to the government being more strict on making people wear them. The worst that could happen is that you wore a mask and in the end it turned out it didn't help after all, best case scenario is that you were asymptomatic and lowered the exposure to the virus to people around you. Not really much to lose but potentially lots to gain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 11:21:14 GMT
Masks are a method of last resort when you have no other method available. They're not even a particularly good method: some masks offer very little protection, as opposed to the 100% protection offered by distancing, and when you wear a mask you don't even know how much safer it makes you. Some of you are treating masks as though they're magic and should be our first line of defence, and that's a dangerous way of thinking. No, that's a sign that you're missing the point of wearing a mask, which - in the face of a disease whose carriers are contagious for days before they begin to show symptoms - is less about protecting yourself, and more about potentially protecting other people from you. No, I'm not missing the point. I know that. Although reading what I wrote above I guess I phrased it poorly. When I say "you wear a mask" I mean you collectively: when you-as-in-everybody wears a mask. The point I'm trying to get across is that masks are only of benefit when you have nothing better. If you have to sit in an office or on a bus then yes, everyone should be wearing masks. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise; I'm certainly not. But the only purpose of a mask is to reduce the risk when there is no better way of reducing the risk. A mask can't reduce the probability of disease transmission between two people when one of the people isn't there. It's only of benefit in a situation that everyone should be trying their best to avoid in the first place. |
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Post by sf on Jun 25, 2020 11:23:37 GMT
...that give the impression that masks equal safety. Please don't put words into my mouth. I have never said or implied that masks alone equal safety. If that's what you've taken from anything I've written here, it is pure projection on your part. Don't. the only confusing messages I've seen are from people such as you pointing to those who are many metres away from anyone else and doing distancing correctly and saying "That person is dangerous because they're not wearing a mask". Once again, please don't put words into my mouth. It's incredibly insulting. all you're doing is talking about masks as if there's nothing else possible. One more time: please don't put words into my mouth. Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 11:30:19 GMT
Please don't put words into my mouth. I have never said or implied that masks alone equal safety. If that's what you've taken from anything I've written here, it is pure projection on your part. In that case I apologise. Evidently I misunderstood your point. |
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Post by sf on Jun 25, 2020 11:31:40 GMT
Please don't put words into my mouth. I have never said or implied that masks alone equal safety. If that's what you've taken from anything I've written here, it is pure projection on your part. In that case I apologise. Evidently I misunderstood your point. Thank you. Please read more carefully. |
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Post by lynette on Jun 25, 2020 16:40:45 GMT
If you want me to wear a mask I will, anything for a quiet life and it does have some effect on transmission but then can I ask you ( as in you, the rest of society) if you went on a protest march or to the beach or Barnard’s castle during lockdown and risked infection for yourself and those you went back home to and if you did, then move over and give me space.
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Post by basdfg on Jun 25, 2020 17:07:33 GMT
This is to me a key part of the government's thinking.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 25, 2020 17:33:07 GMT
Simple if you don’t like wearing a mask, then you will not like to wear a ventilator. Wearing a mask when you're not close enough to other people for disease to pass between you is like wearing a condom when you're not having sex. Masks are a method of last resort when you have no other method available. They're not even a particularly good method: some masks offer very little protection, as opposed to the 100% protection offered by distancing, and when you wear a mask you don't even know how much safer it makes you. Some of you are treating masks as though they're magic and should be our first line of defence, and that's a dangerous way of thinking. You can wear a mask and put yourself at risk if you like. I'll carry on doing my best to stay away from other people whenever I can. Everyone understand that if you distance yourself from people, then catching Covid becomes more vanishing small. Wearing a masks in indoor areas also protects you and I don’t buy the government line that mask only stop you from spreading Covid 19, I wonder if the government will change their stance once supply outstrips demand and not the other way round. The government dissuaded the public to buy masks, to safeguard supplies for the NHS. A hairdresser in the United States, where Covid is raging again in the southern states, because they rushed to re-open and didn’t listen to the science, anyway I digress, a hairdresser Who had Covid and when they contact traced all her customers and tested them, all tested negatively, why? Because both wore a mask. South Korea where there have been less than 300 deaths and there is a good reason for that and that is because they test and wear masks. Law now says you must wear a mask, when on public transport, but no point making laws if you are not going to enforce it. It should also be unlawful to not wear a mask in shops and other indoor areas. People who do not should be hit with a big fine £200 for the first offence. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jun 25, 2020 17:36:34 GMT
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Post by xanady on Jun 25, 2020 17:53:02 GMT
^Got a selection of theatre masks from Red Bubble...good investment as I will be wearing them for at least another year,sadly
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 25, 2020 18:59:33 GMT
Wearing a mask when you're not close enough to other people for disease to pass between you is like wearing a condom when you're not having sex. Masks are a method of last resort when you have no other method available. They're not even a particularly good method: some masks offer very little protection, as opposed to the 100% protection offered by distancing, and when you wear a mask you don't even know how much safer it makes you. Some of you are treating masks as though they're magic and should be our first line of defence, and that's a dangerous way of thinking. You can wear a mask and put yourself at risk if you like. I'll carry on doing my best to stay away from other people whenever I can. It should also be unlawful to not wear a mask in shops and other indoor areas. People who do not should be hit with a big fine £200 for the first offence. The problem with that is that it directly contradicts the need to get the economy going. Make it illegal to go to the shops without a mask? I won't go to the shops. I'd rather lockdown until masks aren't needed. |
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Post by lynette on Jun 25, 2020 19:10:04 GMT
Impossible to fine people for not wearing a mask in a shop. Unenforceable. O my mask is in me bag, just slipped off, on the floor, left it in the toilet. I’m asthmatic. And so on.. yes people will try their best. No, a lot wont bother and wont pay a jot.
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Post by zahidf on Jun 25, 2020 20:23:55 GMT
I think if the govt said YOU MUST WEAR A MASK most people would. Weak government.
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Post by zahidf on Jun 25, 2020 20:24:09 GMT
August musical
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Post by Jon on Jun 25, 2020 20:50:10 GMT
Wasn't that social distancing before the lockdown?
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Post by zahidf on Jun 25, 2020 21:47:34 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 25, 2020 21:54:40 GMT
All bluster, no detail. It's taken him three months to come up with 'the audience will be socially distanced', which is completely financially unviable. Theatres are closing all over. Without financial help they will be lost. |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 25, 2020 21:59:48 GMT
Besides, stage 4 is not really doable in most London theatres for financial reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 22:06:30 GMT
With one metre rule summer outdoor performances could happen but even with one metre rule which would mean theatres would only operate 50% capacity the logistics and ways in and out would be near possible to run in a lot of older theatres. Some newer concert halls may be viable.
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