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Post by talkingheads on Jun 21, 2020 20:10:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 20:20:28 GMT
According to Lloyd Webber, one of the Government's suggestions was that musicals return, but with no singing! To be fair, I've seen a couple of musicals where I've thought "That would have made a great play". (I forget which ones they were. My memory is being merciful.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 20:33:09 GMT
Exactly. Anecdotally, just based on conversations with people over the last couple of weeks, the date theatres are allowed to reopen isn't necessarily going to be the same - for me, too - as the point people start to feel comfortable enough to sit among an audience again. This is why I'm so interested in the cinemas reopening in July. So many people have said they are clamouring to get back, it'll be interesting to see how many do in actuality. Cinemas have a second problem most theatres won't have, which is a dearth of films waiting to be released. I'll happily be first through the door when my local cinema opens, but only if they're showing something I want to see! |
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Post by stagemanager on Jun 21, 2020 20:33:30 GMT
My understanding is this is a slight misquote, the draft guidance suggested that initially there should be no singing when theatres reopened. Ie theatres could open with straight plays. The guidance was looking at the whole theatre industry and not specifically musicals. It was not as has been suggested a recommendation for a non singing musical. |
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Post by zahidf on Jun 22, 2020 8:36:33 GMT
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 22, 2020 8:38:39 GMT
To be fair the show was running was a social distanced audience anyway, by the sounds of it!
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 22, 2020 9:04:46 GMT
At the other end of the spectrum to Prince of Egypt, there is to be a Glyndebourne Festival, of sorts, after all!
There are going to be outdoor performances of a lesser-known, one-act Offenbach...200 in the audience, 13 musicians and 12 singers.
£100 a ticket, so £20,000 a time, plus presumably some catering income.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jun 22, 2020 10:14:50 GMT
various friends working in NHS have said they don't need to be worn all the time - if out for a walk and not near others then we should be getting fresh air as well. In a park or countryside well away from other people is one thing. As I said, I live in a town centre above a pedestrianised shopping street. Anybody out walking where I live without a mask has no respect for other people. It's THAT simple. There are certainly many people who are ignorant and selfish in refusing to wear masks. But I think it’s important to flag that a minority of people medically cannot/are not allowed to wear masks and are legally exempt. |
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jun 22, 2020 11:38:58 GMT
Don't blame them for trying to keep their show, but how realistic this is? Don't know. They will probably try to re-book everyone to the new dates, so less refunds now... This is the only thing I still need refunded from my three planned trips to London this year...got everything else back. Very happy.  |
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Post by sf on Jun 22, 2020 11:41:21 GMT
In a park or countryside well away from other people is one thing. As I said, I live in a town centre above a pedestrianised shopping street. Anybody out walking where I live without a mask has no respect for other people. It's THAT simple. There are certainly many people who are ignorant and selfish in refusing to wear masks. But I think it’s important to flag that a minority of people medically cannot/are not allowed to wear masks and are legally exempt.
A very small minority. The vast majority of people out without masks on are simply selfish or stupid or both, and I don't feel inclined to make excuses for them.
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Post by vickyg on Jun 22, 2020 11:44:58 GMT
I'll be interested to see if they plan to try something inventive or just hope by then to be able to continue as before. Benefit of the Dominion is that it's huge and a 1m distancing rule (if that works to keep infection at bay) would still allow a lot of seats to be filled. |
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Post by vickyg on Jun 22, 2020 11:57:28 GMT
There are certainly many people who are ignorant and selfish in refusing to wear masks. But I think it’s important to flag that a minority of people medically cannot/are not allowed to wear masks and are legally exempt.
A very small minority. The vast majority of people out without masks on are simply selfish or stupid or both, and I don't feel inclined to make excuses for them.
There's no requirement, guidance, suggestion from anyone in government that we should be wearing face coverings just walking around outside and the most I've seen is Sadiq Khan saying that he would like them mandated in shops so I think to expect people to do this in such a strong way a little harsh. Is your stance based on data on transmission? I would be interested to read about likely transmission from walking past someone outside at varying distances. I imagine that even if you walk straight past someone, as we would have in non-COVID times, the length of time you are within one metre of them would be 0.5 of a second or less and I would be interested to see what risk that is, face covered and not. If there is risk enough in the above situation, then I'm sorry to say that sitting within 1 or 2 metres of someone in a theatre/cinema/pub for hours seems untenable. Fortunately I'm yet to be convinced there is a material risk in the above. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jun 22, 2020 12:01:34 GMT
There are certainly many people who are ignorant and selfish in refusing to wear masks. But I think it’s important to flag that a minority of people medically cannot/are not allowed to wear masks and are legally exempt.
A very small minority. The vast majority of people out without masks on are simply selfish or stupid or both, and I don't feel inclined to make excuses for them.
Yes but it’s important not to ignore or marginalise the existence of people who are for the most part already very vulnerable. My friends who are not allowed to wear masks are genuinely frightened of being verbally or physically abused by people who don’t realise there are legal exemptions, and I’ve seen numerous comments online in spaces much less nice than this one openly advocating that. |
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Post by kathryn on Jun 22, 2020 12:10:10 GMT
Yes, very important to stress that even if you think someone is being a selfish idiot, you really don’t know that to be the case, and so should let them be.
I’m sure we all have times in our lives when we have to do things a little unusually for non-obvious but valid reasons, and are conscious that people might judge us for it. Please let’s extend the same benefit of doubt to others that we would have them extend to us.
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Post by sf on Jun 22, 2020 12:26:32 GMT
Is your stance based on data on transmission? It's based on a lot of different scientists in different countries saying masks are the quickest way to get infection rates down. There's a link to a CNN transcript further up this thread, and there's plenty more evidence out there. And yes, of course I know our own government are not mandating masks. Our per-capita death toll is among the highest in the world, and it's been crystal clear since all of this began that our own government's messaging cannot be trusted, and is designed to give ministers plausible deniability rather than to keep the public as safe as possible. Or to put it another way, it is outrageous and indefensible that our government is not insisting everybody who can should wear a mask in enclosed public spaces. |
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Post by sf on Jun 22, 2020 12:28:32 GMT
Yes, very important to stress that even if you think someone is being a selfish idiot, you really don’t know that to be the case, and so should let them be. The only person I've had a go at for not wearing a mask in public was the thoroughly obnoxious woman outside Tesco the other day who told me I was an idiot for wearing one myself, because the virus was a hoax. Since two good friends of mine have lost a parent to it, I'm afraid I didn't hold back. |
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Post by kathryn on Jun 22, 2020 12:45:37 GMT
That I would describe as unhinged from reality rather than potentially selfish idiocy. I mean, fair enough snapping back at that.
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Post by marcellus on Jun 22, 2020 13:44:28 GMT
A very small minority. The vast majority of people out without masks on are simply selfish or stupid or both, and I don't feel inclined to make excuses for them.
There's no requirement, guidance, suggestion from anyone in government that we should be wearing face coverings just walking around outside and the most I've seen is Sadiq Khan saying that he would like them mandated in shops so I think to expect people to do this in such a strong way a little harsh. Is your stance based on data on transmission? I would be interested to read about likely transmission from walking past someone outside at varying distances. I imagine that even if you walk straight past someone, as we would have in non-COVID times, the length of time you are within one metre of them would be 0.5 of a second or less and I would be interested to see what risk that is, face covered and not. If there is risk enough in the above situation, then I'm sorry to say that sitting within 1 or 2 metres of someone in a theatre/cinema/pub for hours seems untenable. Fortunately I'm yet to be convinced there is a material risk in the above. Official NHS Twitter feed is advising people to wear face coverings when "in enclosed public spaces like shops". |
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Post by marcellus on Jun 22, 2020 13:47:34 GMT
A very small minority. The vast majority of people out without masks on are simply selfish or stupid or both, and I don't feel inclined to make excuses for them.
There's no requirement, guidance, suggestion from anyone in government that we should be wearing face coverings just walking around outside and the most I've seen is Sadiq Khan saying that he would like them mandated in shops so I think to expect people to do this in such a strong way a little harsh. Is your stance based on data on transmission? I would be interested to read about likely transmission from walking past someone outside at varying distances. I imagine that even if you walk straight past someone, as we would have in non-COVID times, the length of time you are within one metre of them would be 0.5 of a second or less and I would be interested to see what risk that is, face covered and not. If there is risk enough in the above situation, then I'm sorry to say that sitting within 1 or 2 metres of someone in a theatre/cinema/pub for hours seems untenable. Fortunately I'm yet to be convinced there is a material risk in the above. And this is from the Prime Minister: "protect shoppers and staff". And if you this makes for confusing mixed messaging...well, that's the UK government right now sadly. |
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Post by marcellus on Jun 22, 2020 13:53:37 GMT
A very small minority. The vast majority of people out without masks on are simply selfish or stupid or both, and I don't feel inclined to make excuses for them.
There's no requirement, guidance, suggestion from anyone in government that we should be wearing face coverings just walking around outside and the most I've seen is Sadiq Khan saying that he would like them mandated in shops so I think to expect people to do this in such a strong way a little harsh. Is your stance based on data on transmission? I would be interested to read about likely transmission from walking past someone outside at varying distances. I imagine that even if you walk straight past someone, as we would have in non-COVID times, the length of time you are within one metre of them would be 0.5 of a second or less and I would be interested to see what risk that is, face covered and not. If there is risk enough in the above situation, then I'm sorry to say that sitting within 1 or 2 metres of someone in a theatre/cinema/pub for hours seems untenable. Fortunately I'm yet to be convinced there is a material risk in the above. And finally, "when you go outside". |
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Post by theatreian on Jun 22, 2020 15:49:24 GMT
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Post by xanady on Jun 22, 2020 16:52:39 GMT
^Sure I could see Audrey 2 on the front row!😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 1:27:57 GMT
Grateful to be in the company of so many theatre lovers who also are such knowledgeable epidemiologists, sociologist, and public policy analysts.
It's a pity more people don't read. This is Andrew Slavitt, who was in charge of implementing the Affordable Care Act under the Obama administration, on CNN last week: "Look at the Czech Republic. The Czech Republic wore masks for a very short period of time. And now they have basically eradicated the virus at least for now, and they're able to go back to the work, go back to their jobs without masks. I have been a proponent of saying if President Trump did one thing, if he wore a mask and encouraged supporters to wear a mask for three weeks straight, he would be - we would be sitting here four weeks, about five, about six weeks from now with much of the virus behind us.
And so, that's the kind of leadership that I know he doesn't want to put forward for a variety of reasons, but if he did it would be one of the simplest things that could save a lot of lives and get the economy back."CNN Newsroom transcript, June 11th 2020
There's a New York Times article covering similar ground, but I've misplaced the link.
I follow a number of epidemiologists, public health people and similar on twitter. It’s great that, in these times, we can now go right to the source, rather than allowing politicians and press to ‘interpret’. It also shows how much pf what government has done is pure politics, cherrypicking that which gets them what they wanted in the first place. Some of those frequently quoted people? Out of step and sometimes downright cranks. We would never have known that, even a decade ago. |
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 23, 2020 8:22:58 GMT
It's a pity more people don't read. This is Andrew Slavitt, who was in charge of implementing the Affordable Care Act under the Obama administration, on CNN last week: "Look at the Czech Republic. The Czech Republic wore masks for a very short period of time. And now they have basically eradicated the virus at least for now, and they're able to go back to the work, go back to their jobs without masks. I have been a proponent of saying if President Trump did one thing, if he wore a mask and encouraged supporters to wear a mask for three weeks straight, he would be - we would be sitting here four weeks, about five, about six weeks from now with much of the virus behind us.
And so, that's the kind of leadership that I know he doesn't want to put forward for a variety of reasons, but if he did it would be one of the simplest things that could save a lot of lives and get the economy back."CNN Newsroom transcript, June 11th 2020
There's a New York Times article covering similar ground, but I've misplaced the link.
I follow a number of epidemiologists, public health people and similar on twitter. It’s great that, in these times, we can now go right to the source, rather than allowing politicians and press to ‘interpret’. It also shows how much pf what government has done is pure politics, cherrypicking that which gets them what they wanted in the first place. Some of those frequently quoted people? Out of step and sometimes downright cranks. We would never have known that, even a decade ago. Would you mind giving the names of those you follow? Cheers! |
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Post by baguette on Jun 23, 2020 11:41:30 GMT
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