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Post by talkingheads on Jun 21, 2020 12:04:58 GMT
Social distancing going down to one metre from Tuesday:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:14:29 GMT
Social distancing going down to one metre from Tuesday: Well. that means none at all. Two metres translated to ‘about a metre’ for most people, it appeared, so one metre will translate to ‘not touching someone else if I can avoid it’ It’s as though England actively wants to turn out like Florida.
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Post by firefingers on Jun 21, 2020 13:38:16 GMT
Social distancing going down to one metre from Tuesday: Why does this bloody government insist on announcing policy behind a sodding paywall!? It is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by baguette on Jun 21, 2020 13:38:21 GMT
France has worked with 1m social distancing since March and it's working OK here. There is a big emphasis on hand washing and mask wearing as well. Let's try to stay positive.
What worries me about that picture in the Telegraph is the two people have hand to hand contact (and they have terrible taste in lager as well!)
ETA Is there a UK Dept of Culture report on supporting the theatre industry due on Monday or did I dream that one?
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Post by sf on Jun 21, 2020 13:48:03 GMT
France has worked with 1m social distancing since March and it's working OK here. There is a big emphasis on hand washing and mask wearing as well. Let's try to stay positive. No, let's call the government out for weak messaging - weak messaging which has already cost thousands of lives, and which will cost more before this is over. For 1m social distancing to work, we need the majority of the population to get behind wearing a mask outside their homes. From what I see outside MY home - I live in a town centre, above a pedestrians-only shopping street - that's not going to happen any time soon, even with stronger messaging from the government (and we aren't going to get stronger messaging from the government because the government's messaging is designed to give themselves plausible deniability rather than to promote public safety, but that's a separate rant). We've become such an inherently selfish society that people can't seem to be bothered to take measures that aren't simply designed to protect themselves. Respect for other people, I'm afraid, is a concept that seems to elude an awful lot of us. For a start, it's a concept that certainly eludes anyone who leaves their home right now without a mask on.
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Post by clair on Jun 21, 2020 14:30:27 GMT
Masks should be worn inside shops, on public transport or in crowded areas but various friends working in NHS have said they don't need to be worn all the time - if out for a walk and not near others then we should be getting fresh air as well. Also I'm trying not to judge those without, yes some people are just selfish but there are many who cannot wear them constantly for health reasons, some (including me) suffer from claustrophobia and wearing a mask is extremely difficult. I wear it if in close proximity to other but certainly not if in a park or on a walk which is what I've been advised by the GP, as long as I don't cough/sneeze over someone and am not close to them that is considered to be fine.
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Post by n1david on Jun 21, 2020 14:30:36 GMT
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Post by sf on Jun 21, 2020 14:46:43 GMT
various friends working in NHS have said they don't need to be worn all the time - if out for a walk and not near others then we should be getting fresh air as well. In a park or countryside well away from other people is one thing. As I said, I live in a town centre above a pedestrianised shopping street. Anybody out walking where I live without a mask has no respect for other people. It's THAT simple.
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Post by xanady on Jun 21, 2020 14:48:12 GMT
Nick Hytner from The Bridge on Andrew Marr(about 52 mins in)- ‘Whole Arts sector on brink of financial ruin and without govt support,Panto season will not run...’
Optimism and positive wishful thinking on sites like this are to be applauded,but only those at the cutting edge of the industry know how bad things really are.
If the RSC’s Greg Doran is saying next March for the WE,then he must have inside information to justify such a statement.
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Post by theatreian on Jun 21, 2020 14:51:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 14:58:59 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 21, 2020 15:00:44 GMT
Masks should be worn inside shops, on public transport or in crowded areas but various friends working in NHS have said they don't need to be worn all the time - if out for a walk and not near others then we should be getting fresh air as well. Also I'm trying not to judge those without, yes some people are just selfish but there are many who cannot wear them constantly for health reasons, some (including me) suffer from claustrophobia and wearing a mask is extremely difficult. I wear it if in close proximity to other but certainly not if in a park or on a walk which is what I've been advised by the GP, as long as I don't cough/sneeze over someone and am not close to them that is considered to be fine. The only way people will wear masks is if it is made a fineable offence to be in public not wearing one, that is the sad truth. Advice is just that and people are ignoring it.
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Post by sf on Jun 21, 2020 15:16:07 GMT
Masks should be worn inside shops, on public transport or in crowded areas but various friends working in NHS have said they don't need to be worn all the time - if out for a walk and not near others then we should be getting fresh air as well. Also I'm trying not to judge those without, yes some people are just selfish but there are many who cannot wear them constantly for health reasons, some (including me) suffer from claustrophobia and wearing a mask is extremely difficult. I wear it if in close proximity to other but certainly not if in a park or on a walk which is what I've been advised by the GP, as long as I don't cough/sneeze over someone and am not close to them that is considered to be fine. The only way people will wear masks is if it is made a fineable offence to be in public not wearing one, that is the sad truth. Advice is just that and people are ignoring it. ...which in turn means people are - stupidly - cutting off their nose to spite their face, because just about the quickest way to get the rate of infection down, short of keeping everybody locked up in their homes indefinitely, is for everybody to wear a mask outside their homes. Put simply, the fewer people who wear masks, the longer it'll be before we can start thinking about setting out a concrete timeline for getting back the things we all miss.
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Post by sf on Jun 21, 2020 15:25:29 GMT
Signed and tweeted, and I note it's passed the threshold for a debate, which is good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 15:33:16 GMT
Grateful to be in the company of so many theatre lovers who also are such knowledgeable epidemiologists, sociologist, and public policy analysts.
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Post by marcellus on Jun 21, 2020 16:00:48 GMT
It's a collective risk, and even if there was a subset of the population for which there was provably zero risk that still wouldn't justify allowing them to ignore precautions because they would still be coming into contact with people for whom the risk wasn't zero. But no one is talking about anyone ignoring precautions - we are talking about appropriate precautions rather than paranoia. There is no reason why the vast majority of people cannot now be working, shopping and socialising with sensible hand washing precautions, some distancing between groups and wearing masks if you can't distance. If anyone wants to be more careful than that it is their choice, but it isn't necessary for the vast majority of people. And it isn't just a collective risk, it is about assessing individual risk in the round, including a risk of spreading. Not everyone comes into contact with vulnerable people - I don't. The only vulnerable people I might potentially come into contact with are people at the supermarket, who have chosen to go out. That is their risk to judge. I wash and sanitize my hands frequently and wear a mask. Beyond that, I can't and shouldn't be expected to do anything else to further lower the risk of people I don't know and can't control. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own risk level. Otherwise I see no-one, so why should I not be taking my own risk and contributing to restarting the economy where I can because I can do so, whereas others at higher risk cannot. I disagree entirely that the economic impact might be less than the impact of a second wave. The economic impact is already severe and will take years to resolve, long after people have otherwise forgotten about the virus if a treatment or vaccine is found, and I make no apology for looking at the wider picture rather than just the virus itself. You're proving The Matthew's point here about collective risk. Normal publicly available fabric masks are good at preventing the wearer transmitting the virus to others (because they soak up spittle as you exhale), but pretty poor at protecting the wearer from inhaling virus-laden spittle exhaled by others. So when you wear your mask, you're not protecting yourself, you're still vulnerable to being infected. But you're keeping those around you safe. And you in turn are protected by them if they also wear masks.
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Post by marcellus on Jun 21, 2020 16:09:19 GMT
Nick Hytner from The Bridge on Andrew Marr(about 52 mins in)- ‘Whole Arts sector on brink of financial ruin and without govt support,Panto season will not run...’ Optimism and positive wishful thinking on sites like this are to be applauded,but only those at the cutting edge of the industry know how bad things really are. If the RSC’s Greg Doran is saying next March for the WE,then he must have inside information to justify such a statement. This sounds plausible. Flu season usually finishes in about March. It's reasonable to suppose covid cases will be dropping by then, provided it's been kept under control with careful social distancing, adequate TTI and a usable app.
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Post by sf on Jun 21, 2020 16:18:15 GMT
Grateful to be in the company of so many theatre lovers who also are such knowledgeable epidemiologists, sociologist, and public policy analysts.
It's a pity more people don't read. This is Andrew Slavitt, who was in charge of implementing the Affordable Care Act under the Obama administration, on CNN last week: "Look at the Czech Republic. The Czech Republic wore masks for a very short period of time. And now they have basically eradicated the virus at least for now, and they're able to go back to the work, go back to their jobs without masks. I have been a proponent of saying if President Trump did one thing, if he wore a mask and encouraged supporters to wear a mask for three weeks straight, he would be - we would be sitting here four weeks, about five, about six weeks from now with much of the virus behind us.
And so, that's the kind of leadership that I know he doesn't want to put forward for a variety of reasons, but if he did it would be one of the simplest things that could save a lot of lives and get the economy back."CNN Newsroom transcript, June 11th 2020
There's a New York Times article covering similar ground, but I've misplaced the link.
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Post by stagemanager on Jun 21, 2020 16:52:23 GMT
Let’s be honest there are probably three dates that are important when it comes to opening the theatres again, there is the date that the government allows the theatres to open (probably with some form of social distancing or other protective measures in place), there is the date by when most of the social distancing measures have been removed and the venues can run at full capacity and finally there is the date when a large enough proportion of the potential audience feel that it is safe enough to sit in a theatre and the show becomes less of a financial risk. Each of these dates are potentially not close to each other with probably several months in between. The work that ALW is trying to do, is an attempt to shorten the time between the first two dates and consequently shorten the time to the final date.
To my mind the dates been talked about by Cameron and the RSC (amongst others) are the final date.
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Post by sf on Jun 21, 2020 17:07:46 GMT
Let’s be honest there are probably three dates that are important when it comes to opening the theatres again, there is the date that the government allows the theatres to open (probably with some form of social distancing or other protective measures in place), there is the date by when most of the social distancing measures have been removed and the venues can run at full capacity and finally there is the date when a large enough proportion of the potential audience feel that it is safe enough to sit in a theatre and the show becomes less of a financial risk. Each of these dates are potentially not close to each other with probably several months in between. The work that ALW is trying to do, is an attempt to shorten the time between the first two dates and consequently shorten the time to the final date. To my mind the dates been talked about by Cameron and the RSC (amongst others) are the final date. Exactly. Anecdotally, just based on conversations with people over the last couple of weeks, the date theatres are allowed to reopen isn't necessarily going to be the same - for me, too - as the point people start to feel comfortable enough to sit among an audience again.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 21, 2020 17:49:35 GMT
Let’s be honest there are probably three dates that are important when it comes to opening the theatres again, there is the date that the government allows the theatres to open (probably with some form of social distancing or other protective measures in place), there is the date by when most of the social distancing measures have been removed and the venues can run at full capacity and finally there is the date when a large enough proportion of the potential audience feel that it is safe enough to sit in a theatre and the show becomes less of a financial risk. Each of these dates are potentially not close to each other with probably several months in between. The work that ALW is trying to do, is an attempt to shorten the time between the first two dates and consequently shorten the time to the final date. To my mind the dates been talked about by Cameron and the RSC (amongst others) are the final date. Exactly. Anecdotally, just based on conversations with people over the last couple of weeks, the date theatres are allowed to reopen isn't necessarily going to be the same - for me, too - as the point people start to feel comfortable enough to sit among an audience again. This is why I'm so interested in the cinemas reopening in July. So many people have said they are clamouring to get back, it'll be interesting to see how many do in actuality.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 21, 2020 17:59:45 GMT
Let’s be honest there are probably three dates that are important when it comes to opening the theatres again, there is the date that the government allows the theatres to open (probably with some form of social distancing or other protective measures in place), there is the date by when most of the social distancing measures have been removed and the venues can run at full capacity and finally there is the date when a large enough proportion of the potential audience feel that it is safe enough to sit in a theatre and the show becomes less of a financial risk. Each of these dates are potentially not close to each other with probably several months in between. The work that ALW is trying to do, is an attempt to shorten the time between the first two dates and consequently shorten the time to the final date. To my mind the dates been talked about by Cameron and the RSC (amongst others) are the final date. Exactly. Anecdotally, just based on conversations with people over the last couple of weeks, the date theatres are allowed to reopen isn't necessarily going to be the same - for me, too - as the point people start to feel comfortable enough to sit among an audience again. I had a survey from the RSC on just that subject. It was asking when I’d feel comfortable going booking shows, going back to the theatre, and what measures would make me more or less likely to book. Anyone else get it?
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Post by sf on Jun 21, 2020 18:18:42 GMT
Exactly. Anecdotally, just based on conversations with people over the last couple of weeks, the date theatres are allowed to reopen isn't necessarily going to be the same - for me, too - as the point people start to feel comfortable enough to sit among an audience again. I had a survey from the RSC on just that subject. It was asking when I’d feel comfortable going booking shows, going back to the theatre, and what measures would make me more or less likely to book. Anyone else get it?
I didn't get one from the RSC, but I've had similar surveys from HOME in Manchester and a couple of other venues.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 21, 2020 18:51:02 GMT
Grateful to be in the company of so many theatre lovers who also are such knowledgeable epidemiologists, sociologist, and public policy analysts.
It's a pity more people don't read. This is Andrew Slavitt, who was in charge of implementing the Affordable Care Act under the Obama administration, on CNN last week: "Look at the Czech Republic. The Czech Republic wore masks for a very short period of time. And now they have basically eradicated the virus at least for now, and they're able to go back to the work, go back to their jobs without masks. I have been a proponent of saying if President Trump did one thing, if he wore a mask and encouraged supporters to wear a mask for three weeks straight, he would be - we would be sitting here four weeks, about five, about six weeks from now with much of the virus behind us.
And so, that's the kind of leadership that I know he doesn't want to put forward for a variety of reasons, but if he did it would be one of the simplest things that could save a lot of lives and get the economy back."CNN Newsroom transcript, June 11th 2020
There's a New York Times article covering similar ground, but I've misplaced the link.
Fake Flu Trump and his Republican State Governors needed to get the economy up and running again by all means for any chance to win the election in November, however looking at the Southern states where they reopened with great gusto the virus has came back to bite them, with record new cases. The President doesn’t where a mask in the, but you can bet your bottom dollar that everyone else has to and anyone in contact with the president will be tested daily in the White House or On the day before the President arrives, if he is doing a remote visit.
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Post by sf on Jun 21, 2020 19:43:25 GMT
It's a pity more people don't read. This is Andrew Slavitt, who was in charge of implementing the Affordable Care Act under the Obama administration, on CNN last week: "Look at the Czech Republic. The Czech Republic wore masks for a very short period of time. And now they have basically eradicated the virus at least for now, and they're able to go back to the work, go back to their jobs without masks. I have been a proponent of saying if President Trump did one thing, if he wore a mask and encouraged supporters to wear a mask for three weeks straight, he would be - we would be sitting here four weeks, about five, about six weeks from now with much of the virus behind us.
And so, that's the kind of leadership that I know he doesn't want to put forward for a variety of reasons, but if he did it would be one of the simplest things that could save a lot of lives and get the economy back."CNN Newsroom transcript, June 11th 2020
There's a New York Times article covering similar ground, but I've misplaced the link.
Fake Flu Trump and his Republican State Governors needed to get the economy up and running again by all means for any chance to win the election in November, however looking at the Southern states where they reopened with great gusto the virus has came back to bite them, with record new cases. The President doesn’t where a mask in the, but you can bet your bottom dollar that everyone else has to and anyone in contact with the president will be tested daily in the White House or On the day before the President arrives, if he is doing a remote visit. Exactly. It's an essential element of his act succeeding that the people he's trying to con can't see the stage-management.
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