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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:35:22 GMT
The two girls could share the award...Ros could have the top part of the trophy which is known in the business as the ‘Oli’ and Adrienne could have the bottom part aka the ‘Vier’.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:37:28 GMT
I expect she will win since pretty much everyone except me thinks she was more or less the best thing since sliced bread, but I didn't think her performance was anything special at all. I haven't seen Come From Away yet but with the raves Rachel Tucker has been getting I would hope she has a shot at winning. Funnily enough, that's exactly how I felt about Rachel Tucker.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 1, 2019 19:53:03 GMT
I expect she will win since pretty much everyone except me thinks she was more or less the best thing since sliced bread, but I didn't think her performance was anything special at all. I haven't seen Come From Away yet but with the raves Rachel Tucker has been getting I would hope she has a shot at winning. Funnily enough, that's exactly how I felt about Rachel Tucker. theres no way Rachel will win though. Much as I love her both as a performer and in the show, there is no way anyone other than Patti or The Queens will win that award; and even then, The Queens have a long, uphill battle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 20:53:33 GMT
it would be a travesty if they don't give LuPone supporting actress since she's such an icon That's no reason whatsoever to give anyone an award. I expect she will win since pretty much everyone except me thinks she was more or less the best thing since sliced bread, but I didn't think her performance was anything special at all. I haven't seen Come From Away yet but with the raves Rachel Tucker has been getting I would hope she has a shot at winning. Personally I think it will be a travesty if Adrienne doesn't win Best Actress, but I'm not expecting much given that it seems there was something extraordinary about Rosalie Craig's performance that I missed entirely...I thought Kelli was better than her as well, though Adrienne trumps them both by miles. Aww is someone having a bad day? X
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Post by stagey on Apr 1, 2019 20:55:37 GMT
The Adrienne vs Rosalie debate is interesting to me, especially as I just watched Bohemian Rhapsody. Impersonating an artist vs creating something new. Both very useful skills for an actor. But when Rami or Adrienne are performing, is the skill we’re valuing how well they’re recreating what we already know? Comparing Rosalie and Adrienne is like comparing chalk and cheese in many ways though, as they are completely different roles, and yes, different skillsets. Just because Rami and Adrienne are playing real people doesn't make their skill any less, in fact in my mind it's a more difficult job than playing a fictional character because people will judge them against the real person, even though that isn't necessarily the most appropriate benchmark. Finally someone who agrees! I didn’t see anything spectacular about Company in general, let alone Rosalie’s performance. Yes she was good, but so are all performances in the West End. I can’t remember anything about her performance whereas Adrienne was amazing and plays, in my opinion, one of the hardest roles on the west end - she doesn’t leave the stage for more than 1 minute after she comes on! It’ll be a huge travesty if she loses and I’ll feel really bad for her. I feel like lots of the Rosalie and Company hype comes from the gender-swapping situation etc, which will probably result in a win for her
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 22:20:09 GMT
The Adrienne vs Rosalie debate is interesting to me, especially as I just watched Bohemian Rhapsody. Impersonating an artist vs creating something new. Both very useful skills for an actor. But when Rami or Adrienne are performing, is the skill we’re valuing how well they’re recreating what we already know? Comparing Rosalie and Adrienne is like comparing chalk and cheese in many ways though, as they are completely different roles, and yes, different skillsets. Isn’t that true of any of the performances that are nominated, though? They are all different roles. That’s why the category isn’t ‘Best Performance as Elphaba.’ Just because Rami and Adrienne are playing real people doesn't make their skill any less, in fact in my mind it's a more difficult job than playing a fictional character because people will judge them against the real person, even though that isn't necessarily the most appropriate benchmark. I might be being a bit meta here, but I think the skill set might be different. Acting + impersonation for one and acting + imagination for the other. Performing as a fictional character means you have to force the people to believe in what you created. Playing Freddie or Tina, you have force people to believe in your portrayal of them. Interesting topic. Am going to think about it more.
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Post by jgblunners on Apr 1, 2019 22:34:35 GMT
Best Actress in a Musical is definitely Rosalie vs. Adrienne - and while I'm personally in the Rosalie camp, I think its incredibly hard to predict which way the judges will go. Adrienne undoubtedly has more power as a vocalist, and achieves an incredible feat in painting a convincing portrayal of a real person without just doing an impression, and still allowing herself to make the 'role' her own. On the other hand, Rosalie has more traditional 'acting through song' to do, and in a role that is notoriously tricksy. Add to that the fact that she's also got the whole gender swap thing, which gives her more leeway in her interpretation but on the flip side puts added pressure since she's the first to do it, and it's a pretty even match in my eyes. For me, Rosalie edges it for the nuance of her performance. I'm not saying Adrienne's performance isn't nuanced, but Rosalie's hits on minutiae of the character that are vast and complex, and she does it with the subtlest of touches.
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Post by sparky5000 on Apr 2, 2019 14:02:57 GMT
I think Company will get loads of awards but would be absolutely overjoyed if Come From Away came away with something too. I imagine Come From Away will win Musical, and I would also LOVE to see them win Outstanding Achievement in Music too, and I can see it having a chance! I have a feeling they’re gonna go for ‘Six’ over ‘Come From Away’ and champion a British show. I think either show would be deserving.
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Post by sparky5000 on Apr 2, 2019 14:09:23 GMT
I expect she will win since pretty much everyone except me thinks she was more or less the best thing since sliced bread, but I didn't think her performance was anything special at all. I haven't seen Come From Away yet but with the raves Rachel Tucker has been getting I would hope she has a shot at winning. Funnily enough, that's exactly how I felt about Rachel Tucker. I feel the same about Rachel Tucker in Come From Away. She’s good of course but imo there’s nothing particularly special about it that warrants her getting special praise compared to the rest of the cast. I guess because she has that one big solo song, but for me it is very much an ensemble piece.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 2, 2019 15:04:37 GMT
Funnily enough, that's exactly how I felt about Rachel Tucker. I feel the same about Rachel Tucker in Come From Away. She’s good of course but imo there’s nothing particularly special about it that warrants her getting special praise compared to the rest of the cast. I guess because she has that one big solo song, but for me it is very much an ensemble piece. it's very much the role over Rachel in my opinion, as Jenn also got nominated and won a bunch of awards for the Broadway production. I'd argue Robert Hands and Clive Carter aren't doing anything spectacular that pushes them above the cast, but all three are fantastic.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 2, 2019 16:01:43 GMT
I think Cat Simmons could have just as easy got a nomination, she is fantastic.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 2, 2019 16:25:19 GMT
I think Cat Simmons could have just as easy got a nomination, she is fantastic. I would argue she gives the strongest performance in the show. She is brilliant!
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Post by winonaforever on Apr 2, 2019 17:41:51 GMT
I think the same about CFA being such an ensemble piece it seems unfair to single anyone out for an award. I think all the cast are great (though really I do have a favourite, Jenna Boyd) 😊
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 10:59:58 GMT
This is the year that proved the Oliviers (like most years) are in dire need of a best ensemble award - The Lehman Trilogy, Come From Away, Six, amongst others, could have scored noms for best ensemble, saving room for individual more deserving performances in the acting categories.
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Post by sparky5000 on Apr 3, 2019 12:02:16 GMT
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 3, 2019 14:02:08 GMT
I just have a feeling Sharon may well win. I don't know why, I just have that feeling. Plus Caroline isn't winning Revival and there is no way it will win or should win Costume so if they want to honour it somehow Sharon is the right way to go, and she is great in the show.
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Post by madsonmelo on Apr 3, 2019 14:18:43 GMT
Any guess for the play awards? Is Patsy a frontrunner?
Will they give Best Actor for the three men of Lehman?
The Inheritance or Lehman Trilogy? Mendes or Daldry?
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Post by learfan on Apr 3, 2019 14:39:15 GMT
My two children (well they're 24 and 20!) are both going. Both v excited.
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Post by winonaforever on Apr 3, 2019 14:45:11 GMT
I just have a feeling Sharon may well win. I don't know why, I just have that feeling. Plus Caroline isn't winning Revival and there is no way it will win or should win Costume so if they want to honour it somehow Sharon is the right way to go, and she is great in the show. It would make me SO happy if she won!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 16:12:06 GMT
Will they give Best Actor for the three men of Lehman? If Kyle Soller doesn't win it, I shall riot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 16:23:44 GMT
Will they give Best Actor for the three men of Lehman? If Kyle Soller doesn't win it, I shall riot. I second this.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 3, 2019 16:26:09 GMT
Will they give Best Actor for the three men of Lehman? If Kyle Soller doesn't win it, I shall riot. If Kyle and Patti both lose, that really will be the end of you. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 16:29:46 GMT
If Kyle Soller doesn't win it, I shall riot. If Kyle and Patti both lose, that really will be the end of you. 😂 I will not be held responsible for my actions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 0:31:27 GMT
This is the year that proved the Oliviers (like most years) are in dire need of a best ensemble award - The Lehman Trilogy, Come From Away, Six, amongst others, could have scored noms for best ensemble, saving room for individual more deserving performances in the acting categories. This is inspired. Yes.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 4, 2019 7:48:39 GMT
This is the year that proved the Oliviers (like most years) are in dire need of a best ensemble award - The Lehman Trilogy, Come From Away, Six, amongst others, could have scored noms for best ensemble, saving room for individual more deserving performances in the acting categories. This is inspired. Yes. so true, I think last year too was a great example of that also, with Hamilton, The Ferryman, Follies and 42nd Street. 🙌
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