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Post by charliec on Sept 7, 2016 21:45:50 GMT
(i) female (ii) It's brilliant, adds depth and grabs your attention at the beginning of the act. (iii) No. It's about Phil realising he doesn't know everything and needs to look past first impressions. The musical version feels considerably less sexist than the film because the women in it are better written characters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 22:17:27 GMT
(i) female
(ii) it's fun but I don't know you can really get away with skewering showbiz's attitude to certain female characters when your own show features some pretty poorly drawn ones (NB this also applies to several male characters)
(iii) You could certainly argue it's sexist, as she is definitely seen as the 'prize' Phil 'earns' for becoming a nice(r) guy.
But the whole thing is such a piece of fluff, I don't know that I'd get too hot under the collar about any of it!
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Post by catqc on Sept 7, 2016 22:28:09 GMT
Love this more every day. Also love the Old Vic day seat policy that meant we only had to queue till 8! I arrived at 7.45 and was 8th in the queue, there were no seats left for the evening performance but i got centre back stalls for the matinee if anyone is interested. Smiled the whole way through and for several hours afterwards! Please let the theatre god bring this and Andy Karl back soon!! Also, they were filming it this afternoon! Now just hoping for a cast recording... (and in an ideal world for them to release the filmed version but that will never happen) Ps. huge thanks to theatremonkey for dayseat info - i don't have twitter but feel free to add the above to your website if it could be useful!
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Post by synchrony on Sept 7, 2016 22:38:45 GMT
1) Female 2) I like it as a standalone song, but I didn't understand what the point of it was in the show really. I was confused about whether she was singing as Nancy or as the actress playing Nancy. The latter made more sense to me in terms of the lyrics, but not how it fit in the show. So no, I didn't get it. 3) No. I didn't give it much thought until I read people's reviews on here.
If it helps, from taking various surveys and things I believe that for a girl I have rather male ways of thinking!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 23:29:01 GMT
Not sure if it's been talked about that much on here, but just been reading Michael Reidel's article from the New York Post it seems that a Shubert Theatre has been lined up for the Broadway transfer. And it sounds as if he is banking on the Gerald Schoenfeld (because the last Off-West End musical to transfer there went SO well!) to head in after The Humans closes in April, just in time to bag some Tony noms. So hopefully this could be bagging Oliviers and Tonys in the same year! If that's the case, then I'd assume that'll be when a cast recording is released, but no idea if it would be with the UK cast or the US cast (assuming the entire company, bar Karl and maybe Peer won't transfer with it). I hope it wouldn't be delayed for longer than then.
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Post by Jon on Sept 7, 2016 23:31:19 GMT
Think the Bernard J Jacobs Theatre was the theatre it was planned to transfer to but the Schoenfeld wouldn't surprise me
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 23:38:46 GMT
Think the Bernard J Jacobs Theatre was the theatre it was planned to transfer to but the Schoenfeld wouldn't surprise me Both The Color Puple (at the Jacobs) and The Humans (at the Schoenfeld) are only booking until December, so I guess it depends which one doesn't extend. Or maybe neither will close early and it turns out Groundhog Day will be going somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 23:46:44 GMT
They were filming it today? So there's hope for a TV broadcast?
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Post by danielwhit on Sept 7, 2016 23:55:00 GMT
They were filming it today? So there's hope for a TV broadcast? Do not get any hopes up for TV. More than likely this was simply for archival purposes and a visual record for them to look at over the next few months.
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Post by demonbarber on Sept 8, 2016 0:09:37 GMT
I've been told that other than Andy Karl, the British ensemble wont be moving to Broadway
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 6:28:13 GMT
Reading through a lot of these answers to the three questions posed, I've come to the conclusion that I'm nowhere near as clever as many of you on here... I managed to get number one correct. It occurred to me that "Playing Nancy" was a bit of a standalone song, performed by a lesser character, a proper ballad as such, and oddly placed as the Act Two opener, but that was it really. I'm struggling with why anyone would think the ending could be sexist. I was just happy that a rather unlikely couple found each other in a most unlikely place. And, because the sun came out, I hoped they would grow together. I'm not into "happy endings" as such, but my heart is always warmed when a couple meets and decides to make a go of a life together. (Usually in real life but in stories, plays, musicals, films too.) Boy meets girl, boy meets boy, girl meets girl... And all such other possibilities.
I'm sure the producers know they've scored a hit by now, so it would be interesting to know what they want to know from an audience. I have applied, but feel maybe I shouldn't have now, reading all the other responses. I can't be the only person who didn't think that carefully about it all. I just know I loved it for lots and lots of reasons...
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Post by bengal73 on Sept 8, 2016 7:00:29 GMT
Are we to assume any transfer to the West End will happen after Broadway?
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Post by CBP1 on Sept 8, 2016 8:43:00 GMT
I personally disagree with the line "It's better to be leered at than not looked at at all". I felt that was one of the most heartbreaking lines, dawnstar. Meaning, she had absorbed the thinking that she was only an ornament - and now thought of herself in those terms. Just the consequence of being who she is. I totally agree with this. It's such a poignant line and I don't for a minute think that it is Minchin's actual opinion. It's such a good song and it feels so relevant in the context of the recent debates that people have been having about the burkini debacle and media coverage of female sport. Caiaphas - I doubt the producers want 24 people who give them a detailed critique of the underlying themes of the show. They want to know how the masses respond to it and the masses just want to have a nice time! I've been wondering whether some of the messages in this are too subtle, particularly for an American audience who, based on the reactions I've witnessed on Broadway, seem to be used to being clobbered around the head with text instead of settling for subtext. They tend to like their humour to be explicit.
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Post by mallardo on Sept 8, 2016 8:55:16 GMT
I've been wondering whether some of the messages in this are too subtle, particularly for an American audience who, based on the reactions I've witnessed on Broadway, seem to be used to being clobbered around the head with text instead of settling for subtext. They tend to like their humour to be explicit.
Rest easy, American audiences are no dumber than English ones. They do know of the subtext concept. It will do just fine on Broadway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 9:40:17 GMT
Just because Broadway audiences are more commonly given shows with broader humour doesn't mean the audiences themselves can't handle more subtle story-telling.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 8, 2016 10:03:08 GMT
It's not like the show doesn't have broad humour in it!
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Post by CBP1 on Sept 8, 2016 11:20:58 GMT
Just because Broadway audiences are more commonly given shows with broader humour doesn't mean the audiences themselves can't handle more subtle story-telling. Yeah, I agree with this. I wasn't trying to say I thought Broadway audiences are dumb. Just that US shows (and I'm thinking more broadly here of US tv as well) tend to go for more overt storytelling. So I wondered whether that's something they might bear in mind when thinking about changes for Broadway - Especially in light of the discussions we've been having about how many people over here think 'Playing Nancy' works as part of the show. I think Tim Minchin has a very British sense of humour and I just wonder whether the producers will be questioning to what extent certain elements will translate to an American audience. As people have said, it already contains a lot of broad humour anyway. I think it probably works on a number of different levels. I definitely recall the people next to me laughing at completely different places to me throughout. And it's not for me to say which of us was laughing in the 'right' place. If people take different things from the same show and enjoy it equally, I'd say it's a real hit. I guess the point of the focus groups the producers are doing is to see what different people are taking from it, to make sure it appeals to that wide range of people.
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Post by catqc on Sept 8, 2016 11:42:54 GMT
Also just realised that it's rather surprising in a way that they're so desperate to go to Broadway and avoid the west end given how much better Matilda did here than there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 12:01:34 GMT
Perhaps it's to do with Andy Karl who'd they'd be a fool to replace. Also Matilda is set in England and Groundhog Day is set in America. I personally found quite a bit of the humour too overt for me.
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Post by westendcub on Sept 8, 2016 12:03:47 GMT
I think if they moved 'Playing Nancy' or were to cut it they will loose one of the shows best moments and its best song.
For me, it worked so well and was an inspired opening song of Act 2.
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Post by mallardo on Sept 8, 2016 12:20:03 GMT
Just because Broadway audiences are more commonly given shows with broader humour doesn't mean the audiences themselves can't handle more subtle story-telling. Yeah, I agree with this. I wasn't trying to say I thought Broadway audiences are dumb. Just that US shows (and I'm thinking more broadly here of US tv as well) tend to go for more overt storytelling. So I wondered whether that's something they might bear in mind when thinking about changes for Broadway - Especially in light of the discussions we've been having about how many people over here think 'Playing Nancy' works as part of the show. I think Tim Minchin has a very British sense of humour and I just wonder whether the producers will be questioning to what extent certain elements will translate to an American audience. As people have said, it already contains a lot of broad humour anyway. I think it probably works on a number of different levels. I definitely recall the people next to me laughing at completely different places to me throughout. And it's not for me to say which of us was laughing in the 'right' place. If people take different things from the same show and enjoy it equally, I'd say it's a real hit. I guess the point of the focus groups the producers are doing is to see what different people are taking from it, to make sure it appeals to that wide range of people.
The people laughing in different places were probably Americans. I know I (as an American) found myself laughing at small bits of dialogue or details in the sets or the TV broadcasts that no one around me thought were funny and which became (for me) the equivalent of inside jokes. Conversely, I find myself not getting a lot of the jokes in British shows because I lack the cultural references to do so. None of which is a problem affecting one's enjoyment of a show - or shouldn't be.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 8, 2016 12:32:41 GMT
Also just realised that it's rather surprising in a way that they're so desperate to go to Broadway and avoid the west end given how much better Matilda did here than there? Minchin's talked about this. Matilda was designed to be the RSC's christmas show, first and foremost. The West End transfer was a natural move after it was so well-recieved, but he thinks the reason it hasn't done as well on Broadway is that it simply wasn't written to be a Broadway show. It taps into very specifically British traditions - especially pantomime. He says the struggle with the show as a long-runner is to stop it crossing the line and becoming too pantomime. The intention - the creative challenge - with Groundhog Day was to create a show for Broadway. This might be because broadway shows that are hits make an absolute fortune - more than shows in the West End can do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 14:13:02 GMT
Are we to assume any transfer to the West End will happen after Broadway? Sadly yes. The plan was always to use the Old Vic as a tester for it to go straight to Broadway. I think it would be a crime against the West End if it doesn't head there after Broadway, and even then Andy Karl wouldn't come back to London and the Old Vic ensemble might move onto different things by then. I just hope it doesn't do an American Psycho and transfer from Off-West End to Broadway for it to close early and (as far as I'm aware) not to transfer back to London again. But still, AP had a different reception than GhD.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 15:23:23 GMT
We seriously need a cast recording asap. It needs to happen!
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Post by lynette on Sept 8, 2016 22:36:53 GMT
Enjoyed this very much. Where has that man Andy Karl been all my life? Should def be in a West End venue.
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