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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 8:48:40 GMT
I've had an email asking if I would be interested in attending a Focus Group in discussing Groundhog Day. Following the success of the world premiere of Groundhog Day at The Old Vic, the show’s Producers and creative team are interested in conducting some research to plan for the future life of the musical both in London and on Broadway. As someone who came to see the show we would like to invite you to take part in a research project exploring customers’ motivations and experiences. Damn! I'm going to apply, but may gush ... Is Andy Karl going to be there? In something tight? Wearing anything at all? No? Ok then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 8:49:41 GMT
I'm definitely going to apply, I like the sound of a "financial thank you". I wonder if I can get that implemented as a policy at work?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 9:06:54 GMT
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Post by londonmzfitz on Sept 7, 2016 9:10:23 GMT
Oo, badges badges ..
Although "we" should probably be very secretive and just flash them every now and again when the organiser of the focus group is looking the other way ...
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Post by londonmzfitz on Sept 7, 2016 9:11:19 GMT
And wink at each other and tap our noses when we agree with a comment the other makes, and pat our heads if we disagree ..
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Post by CBP1 on Sept 7, 2016 9:40:30 GMT
Hah. The panel is probably going to consist entirely of people from this board. Add me to the list of those who have applied.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 7, 2016 11:12:38 GMT
I didn't get an invite. 😞
I guess they already know what I think about it! 😅
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Post by dippy on Sept 7, 2016 11:57:46 GMT
I didn't get an invite. 😞 I guess they already know what I think about it! 😅 Same here! Guess they know there'll be a positive response from someone who's seen it a couple of times.
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Post by Mr Snow on Sept 7, 2016 12:46:19 GMT
IF I were to say anything to them it would be.
I enjoyed the hell out of this ….but…
You need more than one quieter moment where a big song can win us over. I loved the pace it’s all set at, but would like to care a little more for the protagonist. Would it be so awful to let him have a moments reflection? Perhaps he could compose a song?
And… We saw this the week before we saw Allegro and that was as sexist as hell and the women were just stereotypes…but was Groundhog Day that different? It’s a while since I’ve seen it but in the film Andie McDowell didn’t seem to be so …weak? She was more attractive because of it. In the play the music where we meet her character and the thoughts she ran through were so predictable I found myself wanting her to sing something strong like “I’ll Know” from Guys and Dolls. She was going through the exact same feelings but with no conviction. If you can strengthen her role you will create more interest.
I also wonder what the set will look like if you have more budget. The small town locale meant a low key bedroom set worked well, but with a big budget some dazzling changes could be possible.
So good luck on improving a really good night out into an unforgettable one.
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Post by synchrony on Sept 7, 2016 13:17:31 GMT
No invitation for me! Maybe it's not good enough that although I have booked to see it again, it's not for another few weeks?! Or maybe it's because I must be in a small minority of people who are going a second time but wasn't overwhelmed by it the first time?! (I did enjoy it...but wasn't emotionally moved by it).
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Post by CBP1 on Sept 7, 2016 13:44:40 GMT
I've been struggling with what I think of the ending, but I'm not sure how I would change it without the show becoming horribly twee. I think I might prefer it if she didn't sleep with him at the end, with the spell instead being broken by him turning down sex (maybe because she's drunk or he feels like he's rushing her because he's had so many days to get to know her whereas she's only had one). That might then be the opportunity for a quiet moment of reflection song. So he promises to see her the next day and is woken up by a phone call from her instead of the usual wake up call set by her. But I really don't know if you could get something like that to work.
Anyway, I think the show just about gets away with it as it is. I certainly don't see Rita as weak. And I think some of the faults in the story are cleverly acknowledged by Playing Nancy. I've been reading the mixed reviews on here and was wondering how perceptions split along gender lines. I'm actually getting the feeling that in general* it's men who are finding it sexist and also tend not to "get" Playing Nancy. I'd like to put this to the test (not that I actually know what I would do with this information once acquired, but humour me!)
So a quick poll:
(i) Are you male or female? (ii) What are your feelings on Playing Nancy? (iii) Do you think the ending is sexist?
*Note I am very much generalising here, hence the question.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 13:46:06 GMT
I got an invite too. I was a bit surprised because I seem to remember filling in a survey after my visit and I certainly didn't gush. Maybe they want a cross-section of views represented though (I know I would).
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Post by Michael on Sept 7, 2016 13:49:13 GMT
So a quick poll: (i) Are you male or female? (ii) What are your feelings on Playing Nancy? (iii) Do you think the ending is sexist? (i) male (ii) liked it as a song but found it completely out-of-place (to use your words, I didn't get it) (iii) no
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Post by CBP1 on Sept 7, 2016 13:52:46 GMT
I got an invite too. I was a bit surprised because I seem to remember filling in a survey after my visit and I certainly didn't gush. Maybe they want a cross-section of views represented though (I know I would). I'd also guess it has something to do with wanting a cross-section of people. I don't think I've ever been sent a survey. I imagine the first set of invitations have been sent based on criteria like age, gender, address , membership and maybe ticket purchasing habits (which I assume is all info that the Old Vic has about us). Alternatively, those who haven't received an invite should look in their Spam folder! Or maybe you unwittingly (un)ticked a box at some stage about being contacted for marketing purposes.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Sept 7, 2016 14:09:28 GMT
Well i left this late didn't it and now no tickets are available. Where there is on certain sites but i;m not paying £200 or whatever for obstructed view seats.
Hope some more are released over the next few days.
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Post by Michael on Sept 7, 2016 14:19:30 GMT
Well i left this late didn't it and now no tickets are available. Where there is on certain sites but i;m not paying £200 or whatever for obstructed view seats. Hope some more are released over the next few days. Just go to the box office, show them your Theatreboard badge*) and they'll be happy to comp you the best seat in the house. *) The special badge, though, not the plain blue one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 14:27:50 GMT
So a quick poll: (i) Are you male or female? (ii) What are your feelings on Playing Nancy? (iii) Do you think the ending is sexist? (i) Female (ii) Loved it, thought it was very clever (iii) No
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Post by jampot on Sept 7, 2016 14:57:35 GMT
I've been struggling with what I think of the ending, but I'm not sure how I would change it without the show becoming horribly twee. I think I might prefer it if she didn't sleep with him at the end, with the spell instead being broken by him turning down sex (maybe because she's drunk or he feels like he's rushing her because he's had so many days to get to know her whereas she's only had one). That might then be the opportunity for a quiet moment of reflection song. So he promises to see her the next day and is woken up by a phone call from her instead of the usual wake up call set by her. But I really don't know if you could get something like that to work. Anyway, I think the show just about gets away with it as it is. I certainly don't see Rita as weak. And I think some of the faults in the story are cleverly acknowledged by Playing Nancy. I've been reading the mixed reviews on here and was wondering how perceptions split along gender lines. I'm actually getting the feeling that in general* it's men who are finding it sexist and also tend not to "get" Playing Nancy. I'd like to put this to the test (not that I actually know what I would do with this information once acquired, but humour me!) So a quick poll: (i) Are you male or female? (ii) What are your feelings on Playing Nancy? (iii) Do you think the ending is sexist? *Note I am very much generalising here, hence the question. Male Dont think id get in those jeans No
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Post by londonmzfitz on Sept 7, 2016 15:50:42 GMT
So a quick poll:
(i) Are you male or female? (ii) What are your feelings on Playing Nancy? (iii) Do you think the ending is sexist?
(i) Female (ii) Seemed an odd place to put it. People were bouncing back to their seats after discussing the show in the interval and I found it a bit of a downer (although lovely). (iii) Ending is sexist? No, having seen the film umpteen times. It is on the basis of the film, nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 16:01:23 GMT
So a quick poll: (i) Are you male or female? (ii) What are your feelings on Playing Nancy? (iii) Do you think the ending is sexist? (i) Male (ii) I love doing 'Oom Pah Pah', I hate being clubbed by London Bridge (iii) What's sexist about it? Sunrises are for everyone!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 17:15:28 GMT
1) male. 2) lovely song, clever act two opener. 3) no, he's gone through a lot to find a version of himself who is deserving of love. She is intuitive enough to know which version is worth it, he previously thought that anything/one will do.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 7, 2016 17:28:21 GMT
1) male. 2) lovely song, clever act two opener. 3) no, he's gone through a lot to find a version of himself who is deserving of love. She is intuitive enough to know which version is worth it, he previously thought that anything/one will do. 1) female 2) absolute genius 3) No. don't think the ending is just about finding love (let alone sex). His epiphany is not that has fallen love with her (the love theme is threaded through the second act), it's that 'I know nothing' - this is a more fundamental change in him, and although the catalyst is falling in love with her and striving to better himself it's not actually her falling for him that breaks the spell.
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Post by andrew on Sept 7, 2016 18:27:36 GMT
1) male 2) I've grown to love it. It's a brilliant song, like others have said it's the position that's jarring. Maybe it would do better just after she appears and gets thrown away again in the first act. Maybe they tried that and it didn't fit there either. 3) not sexist at all although I can see how on paper it might seem that way
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 7, 2016 18:32:56 GMT
So a quick poll: (i) Are you male or female? (ii) What are your feelings on Playing Nancy? (iii) Do you think the ending is sexist? (i) Female (ii) I thought it was the best song in the show, but that's partly because I didn't find any of the others very memorable. I thought the lyrics were mostly very good, though I personally disagree with the line "It's better to be leered at than not looked at at all". (iii) Not really. It is a bit Victorian/Wagnerian, man redeemed by the love of a good woman, but he does have to change himself before she falls in love with him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 21:41:22 GMT
(i) Male (ii) Thought it was clever but probably because I know that it screams Minchin's philosophy of this being an existential piece or meta theatre ie. Rosencrantz and Guilderstern are Dead or Waiting for Godot, as we have a character questioning her purpose in this story. Either that or I need to listen to the lyrics again. (iii) Ummm...nope. How? In the film, he doesn't even sleep with her until the next day when he's broken out of Groundhog Day.
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