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Post by danb on Apr 30, 2024 18:20:18 GMT
But despite its ‘modern tendencies’, I didn’t see an awful lot of obvious symbolism in Lloyds ‘Sunset’, more just a different way of telling the story. I’m sorry if you read it as sneering; it’s more just continued frustration at people bashing it for the sake of it not being what they wanted.
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Post by chernjam on Apr 30, 2024 20:51:06 GMT
Honestly this is going to be interesting on a lot of levels - to see how the Australian production is received critically and by audiences and comparing it with the London and Broadway run to come of Lloyd's version. As one whos love of the show can't be questioned, I felt with the 2017 "revival" with Close that might be the last time I ever saw a full-scale production of this on Broadway. It did good business, but even with a Movie star having won the Tony for the original and the symphony orchestra, it wasn't the sell out I hoped/expected. My fear was that it would be too expensive and story wise the show was dated for modern audiences. The Lloyd revival obviously went in a different direction and thrived in UK. Will see what happens here in the US.
The Australian production looks to be going the more original/traditional route with a star with huge following/name recognition. Really eager to see how it fares.
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 1, 2024 5:37:18 GMT
But despite its ‘modern tendencies’, I didn’t see an awful lot of obvious symbolism in Lloyds ‘Sunset’, more just a different way of telling the story. I’m sorry if you read it as sneering; it’s more just continued frustration at people bashing it for the sake of it not being what they wanted. Or the flipside, people seeing it as a bit of an emperors new clothes situation. But let's face it there are two shows there is no point critiquing on this forum, the Cabaret and sunset revivals. The gate keeping is insane on both. Anyway looking forward to reports on this sunset. The set and styling certainly looks on point. Sarah is my big question mark
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Post by danb on May 1, 2024 6:24:11 GMT
But despite its ‘modern tendencies’, I didn’t see an awful lot of obvious symbolism in Lloyds ‘Sunset’, more just a different way of telling the story. I’m sorry if you read it as sneering; it’s more just continued frustration at people bashing it for the sake of it not being what they wanted. Or the flipside, people seeing it as a bit of an emperors new clothes situation. But let's face it there are two shows there is no point critiquing on this forum, the Cabaret and sunset revivals. The gate keeping is insane on both. Anyway looking forward to reports on this sunset. The set and styling certainly looks on point. Sarah is my big question mark I can’t believe the staircase is on the right #notmysunset 😂😂😂 But seriously, I totally respect peoples opinion & ‘right’ not to like it. What raised my hackles was Max thinking they’d hit upon the defining point of proof that they were right, like Poirot or something because a line of dialogue had been kept in that was not physically represented. The whole show was bonkers so looking for linear thinking was a none starter to me…is all. ❤️
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 1, 2024 7:55:59 GMT
But despite its ‘modern tendencies’, I didn’t see an awful lot of obvious symbolism in Lloyds ‘Sunset’, more just a different way of telling the story. I’m sorry if you read it as sneering; it’s more just continued frustration at people bashing it for the sake of it not being what they wanted. Or the flipside, people seeing it as a bit of an emperors new clothes situation. But let's face it there are two shows there is no point critiquing on this forum, the Cabaret and sunset revivals. The gate keeping is insane on both.Anyway looking forward to reports on this sunset. The set and styling certainly looks on point. Sarah is my big question mark I think that has been the case with Cabaret in the past but the liberties being taken with casting and prices now might be resulting in the worm turning a bit.
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Post by max on May 1, 2024 13:49:10 GMT
Or the flipside, people seeing it as a bit of an emperors new clothes situation. But let's face it there are two shows there is no point critiquing on this forum, the Cabaret and sunset revivals. The gate keeping is insane on both. Anyway looking forward to reports on this sunset. The set and styling certainly looks on point. Sarah is my big question mark I can’t believe the staircase is on the right #notmysunset 😂😂😂 But seriously, I totally respect peoples opinion & ‘right’ not to like it. What raised my hackles was Max thinking they’d hit upon the defining point of proof that they were right, like Poirot or something because a line of dialogue had been kept in that was not physically represented. The whole show was bonkers so looking for linear thinking was a none starter to me…is all. ❤️ At no point did I say I'd "hit upon the defining point of proof" that I was right "like Poirot or something". You've defensively projected that onto me, warding off the idea that anyone on this board can view something and question or ask about its reasoning for fear of being accused of 'deducing in public'. If so - what's the point of the board even existing? I asked a genuine question about whether a line of dialogue was in or out, because I couldn't remember. If someone had said 'no they cut the organ line' that would have been interesting to me, in thinking about Lloyd's scheme and his considered choices. Just as someone on this board said they thought it was right that 'The Lady's Paying' was cut because others wouldn't be let into Norma's world in Lloyd's vision of the characters and piece. In that instance a strong logical reasoning behind cuts and changes was put forward - so apparently deducing is allowed after all. Willingness to leave a non sequitur (IF that's what happened) was interesting to me after a comment sparked by the Australian production apparently having more verisimilitude with 'real' old Hollywood and what that can offer or restrict in interpretation now there's been a radical version.
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Post by danb on May 1, 2024 13:54:12 GMT
Ok.
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Post by magnificentdonkey on May 1, 2024 17:14:43 GMT
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Post by karloscar on May 1, 2024 19:40:44 GMT
Tim must be taking this seriously if the beard has gone!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2024 7:47:07 GMT
No turbans then…
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Post by max on May 2, 2024 9:21:58 GMT
No turbans, but great styling. It reminded me of ALW (ages ago) saying Sarah Brightman looked like English film actress Jessie Matthews, and brief talk of her doing a biopic. I just looked at Wikipedia and Jessie Matthews started in silent films. Brightman does have a look you can imagine in the silent movies, and she works it in that video.
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Post by anthony40 on May 2, 2024 9:40:48 GMT
I too noticed the lack of turban
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Post by anthony40 on May 2, 2024 9:44:12 GMT
I wonder if that coat being worn should be made of vicuna?
(Well, you know what you can do with your vicuna?)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2024 9:46:18 GMT
I do think the idea of a relationship between this Norma and Joe seems believable. She’s an attractive woman and he doesn’t look completely wet behind the ears so yeah… why not. I hope she goes full Monty with the acting. Really chew the scenery. Come on Sarah, give the punters what they want.
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Post by rosscoe on May 3, 2024 21:41:30 GMT
This isn’t selling well at all in Melbourne, first preview still has a ton of seats.
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Post by chernjam on May 3, 2024 22:59:38 GMT
This isn’t selling well at all in Melbourne, first preview still has a ton of seats. Well in fairness, Sarah isn't going on that night. Tuesdays and Wednesdays the alternate is on. Sarah's first night looks better sold
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Post by rosscoe on May 4, 2024 9:25:08 GMT
I’ll be seeing it on the Wednesday night ( 2nd performance) to be honest I’m more excited to see Silva than Sarah. I’ll try to catch Sarah later in the run
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Post by alwfan on May 4, 2024 15:00:00 GMT
Sarah looks great. Hold on folks, for another twist in the ALW Sunset Saga, if he decides Sarah is the ultimate Norma, and wants the film to be made - with her....! Lol I could definitely see this happening. Who would have thought all those years ago when everyone was discussing who might potentially star in a film version, that in 2024 Sarah would actually be an option! It still remains to be seen how she is in the show, but given her association with ALW and his continuous adoration of her (for example at the closing of POTO on BroadwY) I doubt it will even matter.
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Post by alwfan on May 4, 2024 17:21:17 GMT
Sarah looks great. Hold on folks, for another twist in the ALW Sunset Saga, if he decides Sarah is the ultimate Norma, and wants the film to be made - with her....! Lol [br Or he dumps Nicole and insists on Sarah for Broadway! History repeating....hahaha I am here for it! Again, how ironic would it be if he does an ALW and replace the actress for Broadway with someone else that he adores. I doubt it will happen, because I don't think he has that sort of hold on the JL production. He is also a big fan of Nicole Scherzinger, but as we know, he has always said that Sarah is very special to him. Also, while SB can still dance a bit and definitely 'twerk' a little as well (seen on her last tour), I don't think she would be able to do the choreography in the JL version which involves a lot of running around and writhing/rolling on the floor. I also feel that despite her sensible rehearsal clothes, that she would insist on glamorous gowns, beautiful slippers for the actual show, which wouldn't work in Lloyd's show. If the show going to Broadway was a full scale production like the ENO one, I could certainly see him replacing anyone with Sarah if he thinks she is amazing.
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Post by karloscar on May 5, 2024 19:52:24 GMT
[br Or he dumps Nicole and insists on Sarah for Broadway! History repeating....hahaha I am here for it! Again, how ironic would it be if he does an ALW and replace the actress for Broadway with someone else that he adores. I doubt it will happen, because I don't think he has that sort of hold on the JL production. He is also a big fan of Nicole Scherzinger, but as we know, he has always said that Sarah is very special to him. Also, while SB can still dance a bit and definitely 'twerk' a little as well (seen on her last tour), I don't think she would be able to do the choreography in the JL version which involves a lot of running around and writhing/rolling on the floor. I also feel that despite her sensible rehearsal clothes, that she would insist on glamorous gowns, beautiful slippers for the actual show, which wouldn't work in Lloyd's show. If the show going to Broadway was a full scale production like the ENO one, I could certainly see him replacing anyone with Sarah if he thinks she is amazing. It wasn't meant as a serious suggestion.
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