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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 14, 2022 14:30:31 GMT
I didn't realise, until I checked to see what the fuss was all about, that Helen Skelton is a trained tap dance teacher
That is really pushing the limits as to what level of dance experience contestants should have for Strictly
I know it is a different sort of dance but it does give her a headstart in terms of using her body and learning routines.
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Post by anthony40 on Aug 14, 2022 15:42:18 GMT
I didn't realise, until I checked to see what the fuss was all about, that Helen Skelton is a trained tap dance teacher That is really pushing the limits as to what level of dance experience contestants should have for Strictly I know it is a different sort of dance but it does give her a headstart in terms of using her body and learning routines. But oxfordsimon on the flip side could this not work against her? Let me explain. If she has this experience, does this not mean there might be a higher expectation of her from her partner and from the judges? It could also be harder for her because if she knows how to dance and has rhythm, then she may have to unlearn what she already knows in order to perfect the routine set for her. Just a thought.... |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 14, 2022 15:57:34 GMT
It is an advantage in all respects other than it sets expectations higher for her.
In physical terms, she knows what it is like to learn routines, rehearse them and so forth. She will have to learn new techniques but she certainly has a big headstart compared to people like Tony Adams.
There are others this year with dance experience but not at this level.
The former Pussycat Doll member who was a contestant a few years ago was very unpopular with the public and a large part of that was her extensive past dance experience.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 14, 2022 16:12:54 GMT
James Bye from Eastenders is announced as the 14th contestant Yay, another fittie! Married, three kids. Let’s hope Kristina Rihanoff isn’t back on the pro team! |
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Post by theatreian on Aug 14, 2022 16:34:15 GMT
Helen was also on the 2012 Strictly Christmas special with Artem. JB Gill won that programme.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 16:50:16 GMT
I didn't realise, until I checked to see what the fuss was all about, that Helen Skelton is a trained tap dance teacher That is really pushing the limits as to what level of dance experience contestants should have for Strictly I know it is a different sort of dance but it does give her a headstart in terms of using her body and learning routines. Actors have a head start in terms of learning as they are used to having to process a lot of information quickly, musicians have a head start because they can hear the beat and have rhythm... I could go on, but those are two examples of why the "experience" argument restricted to dance background only is a complete fallacy. Pretty much all the contestants have some form of relevant past experience. And tap is completely different to ballroom, particularly in posture. Past dance experience usually isn't half as helpful as most people seem to think it is. Too many people buy the lazy "she's a dancer" cries from the tabloids without actually thinking more about it. Besides, I'd much rather watch good dancers, so as far as I am concerned the more experience, the better! |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 14, 2022 16:57:46 GMT
It really isn't a complete fallacy - it is just your opinion. But as you always like to make negative comments about things I post on Strictly, I would suggest that we just ignore one another from this point forward.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 14, 2022 18:30:29 GMT
The idea, from day 1 has been that they can’t dance before they start to train. That’s the “ concept” and is how it is sold to us. I think that this is what most of the viewers think.
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Post by robertb213 on Aug 14, 2022 19:00:54 GMT
The show has always had contestants with some kind of training. Claire Sweeney was in the first year, she trained at Italia Conti. Audiences definitely prefer contestants who go on a journey and develop, but having people with some element of previous experience isn't a new development, it's just picked up on more now.
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Post by anthony40 on Aug 14, 2022 19:42:41 GMT
Strictly Come Dancing in the UK
Dancing With The Stars in the US and Australia and (I believe) other parts of the world.
I'm just curious, as all others are based upon the UK concept, does anyone know the name has changed?
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Post by robertb213 on Aug 14, 2022 19:54:55 GMT
Strictly Come Dancing in the UK Dancing With The Stars in the US and Australia and (I believe) other parts of the world. I'm just curious, as all others are based upon the UK concept, does anyone know the name has changed? I assume because not all territories showed Come Dancing on which our title is based, so when it was exported they came up with the more generic Dancing With The Stars to reduce confusion. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 21:37:04 GMT
The idea, from day 1 has been that they can’t dance before they start to train. That’s the “ concept” and is how it is sold to us. I think that this is what most of the viewers think. I'm not sure it is really? It's a show about celebrities learning to dance ballroom, not dance full stop. I don't think they've ever claimed none of them can dance at all. They'd have a very narrow pool of celebrities if that was the case. Many people will think whatever narrative the tabloids push, which has increasingly been the "experience is bad" narrative, but it wasn't always in the early days, even though the public loved an underdog back then too. The tabloids werent as vicious in the early series. I've never really understood complaints about it not being a level playing field, as it never could be unless you disqualify everyone who has ever taken a dance class, music or acting lesson in their life. |
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 1, 2022 14:45:39 GMT
Anyone started seeing the adds on tele yet?
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Post by TallPaul on Sept 1, 2022 15:07:53 GMT
The launch show is being recorded next Wednesday, 7 September, in front of a live studio audience.
Get ready for the return of inane cheering at the start of routines, and standing ovations at the end. It just hasn't been the same without either!
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 1, 2022 15:35:18 GMT
The launch show is being recorded next Wednesday, 7 September, in front of a live studio audience. Get ready for the return of inane cheering at the start of routines, and standing ovations at the end. It just hasn't been the same without either! Quite frankly, i'm not sure how i've coped! |
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Post by lynette on Sept 4, 2022 14:19:02 GMT
Strictly Come Dancing in the UK Dancing With The Stars in the US and Australia and (I believe) other parts of the world. I'm just curious, as all others are based upon the UK concept, does anyone know the name has changed? I assume because not all territories showed Come Dancing on which our title is based, so when it was exported they came up with the more generic Dancing With The Stars to reduce confusion. Who remembers the original show? The best bit for me was the formation dancing - they should bring that back. |
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Post by jek on Sept 4, 2022 16:13:09 GMT
It may have been mentioned elsewhere, but as lynette has mentioned the original Come Dancing programme I wanted to flag up the Blackpool's Dance Fever programme which was shown on BBC1 last week. Gloriously, for those of us who remember Come Dancing in its 1990s incarnation, it featured the many time Latin dance champions Donnie Burns and Gaynor Fairweather for whom the term 'larger than life' might have been invented. Donnie and Gaynor are clearly still big figures on the scene although I guess they may well be jealous of the success of their one time fellow competitor Shirley Ballas (in those days partnered with her then husband Corky). Being almost 60 I also remember Come Dancing in earlier days when a fixture was Peggy Spencer's Penge Latin Formation team. It seems that at that time Penge was the epicentre of the ballroom world! |
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Post by nick on Sept 5, 2022 6:16:33 GMT
I assume because not all territories showed Come Dancing on which our title is based, so when it was exported they came up with the more generic Dancing With The Stars to reduce confusion. Who remembers the original show? The best bit for me was the formation dancing - they should bring that back. Sadly most episodes have been junked* but I have a 1976 episode and it has not dated well. It assumes a good working knowledge of ballroom (probably back in 1976 more people would have that knowledge) so it's difficult to know how it is scored. I agree that the formation part is a relative highlight. *If anyone is interested nothing from the 50s and 60s. The first existing episode is the final of series 19 in 1974, next two from 1976 then nothing until 1982 where there are still large gaps. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 5, 2022 6:53:32 GMT
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Post by jek on Sept 5, 2022 8:03:17 GMT
I thought I might have dreamt this but a quick google confirmed that the Two Ronnies did a sketch in 1972 in which they played dancers in a dance formation team. There is a bad quality video of it here:
The humour hasn't aged well but it just goes to show what a hold Come Dancing had on the national psyche back in the 1970s. Peggy Spencer was a fascinating woman who - among much else - taught Nureyev the tango for the Ken Russell film Valentino.
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Post by lynette on Sept 5, 2022 15:47:01 GMT
Thanks for posting these clips guys, nice reminder of old times!
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 7, 2022 10:57:36 GMT
Isn't the pairing up of the celebrities and the professionals happening today/tonight?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 9, 2022 19:28:23 GMT
Here's the spoiler for the partnerships. {Spoiler - click to view}
Helen and Gorka
Kym and Graziano
Fleur and Vito
Molly and Carlos
Richie and Giovanni
Kaye and Kai
Jayde and Karen
Ellie S and Nikita
Tony and Katya
Matt and Nadiya
Will and Nancy
Tyler and Dianne
James and Amy
Ellie T and Johannes
Hamza and Jowita
We have to be ready for a delay to the start of the series due to the mourning period. |
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2022 20:14:01 GMT
The live show isn't due to the 24th September and I wouldn't be surprised if the launch airs on the 23rd September.
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