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Post by lynette on May 3, 2021 18:05:51 GMT
We haven't had results from all the test events. Hoping for the best -just watching the snooker crowd greeting the event and the players is emotional.
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Post by The Matthew on May 3, 2021 18:07:10 GMT
I think the point of retaining some social distancing and masks is because it costs nothing to take unnecessary precautions and costs a lot to take too few. It's likely that by the summer (when it eventually turns up) we'll be OK but we can't know for sure until we try it, and I'd rather continue with a few restrictions for a while longer than have a brief bit of freedom followed by a step backwards to something more onerous for longer.
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 3, 2021 18:12:21 GMT
I think the point of retaining some social distancing and masks is because it costs nothing to take unnecessary precautions and costs a lot to take too few. It's likely that by the summer (when it eventually turns up) we'll be OK but we can't know for sure until we try it, and I'd rather continue with a few restrictions for a while longer than have a brief bit of freedom followed by a step backwards to something more onerous for longer. With regards to masks though, it would make sense to me more that masks might still be required in supermarkets and shops ect where many people will be packed in without knowing anybodies covid status. Inside Theatres and cinemas you will already need to provide proof that you are vaccinated or tested negative anyway, so additional mask wearing seems unnecessary to me in those settings.
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Post by firefingers on May 3, 2021 20:55:32 GMT
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 4, 2021 7:06:42 GMT
"for now" but when will it end then? Given that it surely will be already the best it can get with nearly all the willing population vaccinated and covid status required to even get in. If you still need to wear a mask even then....I don't see when on earth we won't be required to.
Btw I'm not an anti masker and religiously wear mine and always have but honestly I just think that having to still wear them under these circumstances in unnecessary.
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Post by poster J on May 4, 2021 7:46:02 GMT
"for now" but when will it end then? Given that it surely will be already the best it can get with nearly all the willing population vaccinated and covid status required to even get in. If you still need to wear a mask even then....I don't see when on earth we won't be required to. Btw I'm not an anti masker and religiously wear mine and always have but honestly I just think that having to still wear them under these circumstances in unnecessary. On the other side of that though, what is the harm in being a little bit more cautious for a little longer? You said it yourself, you've been wearing a mask all the time we've had to do so, which has been months now, so it's no more inconvenience than you already face. As someone in a group that has not yet been offered a vaccine I feel very uncomfortable at the thought of those who have already been fully vaccinated acting with abandon and not caring about the rules anymore before I have the opportunity to be fully vaccinated. Those who have had two doses might be in a better place, but you can still transmit the virus to those of us who haven't, so I'm afraid in my opinion ditching masks and social distancing before everyone has been offered both doses is rather selfish.
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Post by firefingers on May 4, 2021 7:48:07 GMT
"for now" but when will it end then? Given that it surely will be already the best it can get with nearly all the willing population vaccinated and covid status required to even get in. If you still need to wear a mask even then....I don't see when on earth we won't be required to. Btw I'm not an anti masker and religiously wear mine and always have but honestly I just think that having to still wear them under these circumstances in unnecessary. We won't have even offered the vaccine to all adults by the 21st. Younger makes them less likely to be badly affected, but it is still very possible it could kill some of them. I would have thought mask mandate could go when 18+ have been double vaccinated, which would be October.
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Post by Mark on May 4, 2021 7:51:18 GMT
"for now" but when will it end then? Given that it surely will be already the best it can get with nearly all the willing population vaccinated and covid status required to even get in. If you still need to wear a mask even then....I don't see when on earth we won't be required to. Btw I'm not an anti masker and religiously wear mine and always have but honestly I just think that having to still wear them under these circumstances in unnecessary. In all honesty, it ends when people want it to end... I mentioned in another thread the problems I had with wearing a mask last year at the theatre. I then went a few times without wearing one and have settled now on some face shields which aren't as intrusive and suffocating whilst sat down. Am I anti-mask? Yes - I don't think it's healthy to force them onto people. I had two extremely unpleasent experiences at the theatre brought on through wearing one. If people want to wear them then thats absolute fine but we should be at a point in 7 weeks time where people shouldn't be forced, especially if they've been tested or vaccinated.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 4, 2021 7:54:34 GMT
No social distancing whilst wearing masks from Jun, monitor infection rate over the summer as most infections likely to take place in enclosed areas from current data and if no real impact then relax further from September.
We are getting ever closer a few more weeks to ensure we finally lay the threat to rest is fine with me, pat💉ence.
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 4, 2021 8:01:44 GMT
I remember it wasn't that long ago that face masks weren't even mandatory at the heights of the pandemic and the government were pretty reluctant to bring them in and only really did so when there was big demand from the public and yet we are going to still be told to wear them now even when a vast majority of the adult and willing population have been vaccinated, cases are low and we need negative tests to even get into anywhere anyway? Sorry I still find it unnecessary.
There's nothing wrong with them saying after 21st that mask wearing is still recommended but I'm sorry I really don't think we should be required to wear them to get into places at that point.
I will of course comply though.
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Post by talkingheads on May 4, 2021 8:24:34 GMT
It's a little bit of cloth over your face. The opposition to this is is frankly staggering. At the very least they need to be mandatory until everybody has been offered the vaccine. I doubt I'll have been offered it by June 21st, never mind double vaccinated.
I am terrified of the double vaccinated acting as though they are free when so many of us remain unvaccinated and vulnerable.
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Post by firefingers on May 4, 2021 8:46:11 GMT
I remember it wasn't that long ago that face masks weren't even mandatory at the heights of the pandemic and the government were pretty reluctant to bring them in and only really did so when there was big demand from the public and yet we are going to still be told to wear them now even when a vast majority of the adult and willing population have been vaccinated, cases are low and we need negative tests to even get into anywhere anyway? Sorry I still find it unnecessary. There's nothing wrong with them saying after 21st that mask wearing is still recommended but I'm sorry I really don't think we should be required to wear them to get into places at that point. I will of course comply though. I find this attitude astounding. Using the government's inaction to promote inaction now. The government that oversaw one of the highest excess deaths in the world (it was the highest per capita when we didn't have a mask mandate). The government that sent children back to school for ONE DAY for a super spreader event. The government who's leader said he would let the bodies pile high in the street than go back in to lockdown. The government who's lead advisor said he need to drive to a beauty spot to check his eyesight and the government said this was perfectly sane and normal. The government who left three million people excluded from their support packages during the pandemic and refused to do anything about it. Using them as an example of what should be done during a pandemic is beyond laughable to actively dangerous. This smacks of "screw you, I got mine". You aren't interested in the people who are still vulnerable to the disease, only yourself.
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 4, 2021 8:55:06 GMT
I remember it wasn't that long ago that face masks weren't even mandatory at the heights of the pandemic and the government were pretty reluctant to bring them in and only really did so when there was big demand from the public and yet we are going to still be told to wear them now even when a vast majority of the adult and willing population have been vaccinated, cases are low and we need negative tests to even get into anywhere anyway? Sorry I still find it unnecessary. There's nothing wrong with them saying after 21st that mask wearing is still recommended but I'm sorry I really don't think we should be required to wear them to get into places at that point. I will of course comply though. I find this attitude astounding. Using the government's inaction to promote inaction now. The government that oversaw one of the highest excess deaths in the world (it was the highest per capita when we didn't have a mask mandate). The government that sent children back to school for ONE DAY for a super spreader event. The government who's leader said he would let the bodies pile high in the street than go back in to lockdown. The government who's lead advisor said he need to drive to a beauty spot to check his eyesight and the government said this was perfectly sane and normal. The government who left three million people excluded from their support packages during the pandemic and refused to do anything about it. Using them as an example of what should be done during a pandemic is beyond laughable to actively dangerous. This smacks of "screw you, I got mine". You aren't interested in the people who are still vulnerable to the disease, only yourself. Erm, I haven't had one yet? I'm saying that I don't really think it should be mandatory (It can be recommended for sure) to wear masks in settings that already have mitigations in place after the restrictions have been 'ended' (they haven't have they) and a enormous number of the population has been vaccinated. Which by 21st June they would have been btw, the timeline is running ahead of schedule and so shouldn't take until late July all being well. Don't make me sound like i'm advocating going round spitting in vulnerable peoples faces or something please. I've agreed with all restrictions and followed all the rules and will continue to do so I'm just not fully in agreement with the mask issue after 21st June, but I'll still do it, it's not a big deal and I never said it was. There's no need for attacks and villainizing please.
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Post by firefingers on May 4, 2021 9:09:52 GMT
I find this attitude astounding. Using the government's inaction to promote inaction now. The government that oversaw one of the highest excess deaths in the world (it was the highest per capita when we didn't have a mask mandate). The government that sent children back to school for ONE DAY for a super spreader event. The government who's leader said he would let the bodies pile high in the street than go back in to lockdown. The government who's lead advisor said he need to drive to a beauty spot to check his eyesight and the government said this was perfectly sane and normal. The government who left three million people excluded from their support packages during the pandemic and refused to do anything about it. Using them as an example of what should be done during a pandemic is beyond laughable to actively dangerous. This smacks of "screw you, I got mine". You aren't interested in the people who are still vulnerable to the disease, only yourself. Erm, I haven't had one? I'm saying that I don't think it should be mandatory to wear masks in settings that already have mitigations in place after the restrictions have been 'ended' (they haven't have they) and a enormous number of the population has been vaccinated. Which by 21st June they would have been btw, the timeline is running ahead of schedule and shouldn't take until late July at all. Don't make me sound like i'm advocating going round spitting in vulnerable peoples faces please. I've followed all the rules and will continue to do so I'm just not fully in agreement with the mask issue after 21st June. We aren't ahead of schedule: www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk we are currently projecting people will still be be recieving their first dose in August, so actually behind schedule, and six weeks after you want to remove all measures. And then it will be three months after that before those people are actually vaccinated. We have given one dose to only half the population at this point, and only a quarter of the population has had it's second dose and actually fully vaccinated. coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations That is not an "enormous number", this is a vast minority. Everyone is potentially vulnerable to this disease. You don't wish to be seen to be advocating spreading infection, whilst advocating removing every measure to stem the spread. I'm sorry if you don't like what you see in the mirror, that's not my problem.
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Post by theatreian on May 4, 2021 9:13:05 GMT
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Post by Mark on May 4, 2021 9:19:14 GMT
Everyone is potentially vulnerable to this disease. You don't wish to be seen to be advocating spreading infection, whilst advocating removing every measure to stem the spread. I'm sorry if you don't like what you see in the mirror, that's not my problem. He isn't advocating removing every measure. The issue is why require masks when everyones either shown proof of vaccination or a negative test? It's 3 weeks to stop the spread. Another 3 weeks. Another 4 week lockdown circuit breaker. Another lockdown. An end to remove social restrictions on June 21st has to be just that - an END to mandatory distancing and masking. Please, go ahead and wear one all you want but don't expect everyone else around you just to fall into line.
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Post by firefingers on May 4, 2021 9:20:01 GMT
Indeed we have dropped, thank God. AndyH was using the government late action on masks to justify their removal, I was pointing out how government inaction early on had led to us quickly reaching the upper echelons of excess deaths. Fortunately we now have a variety of measures in place to stem the virus including both vaccines and masks, and have thus dropped out the top 20. Cause and effect.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 4, 2021 9:22:13 GMT
When you look at the Countries above us it may not be as positive as it looks as Italy is the only other G7 Country and only a few more if we extend to the G20.
The vaccine advantage is now being eroded, the EU are accelerating and Germany managed over 1m vaccinations a day at the end of last week, 10% of the population, a figure we failed to meet.
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Post by theatreian on May 4, 2021 9:24:05 GMT
I can see the need for masks for some time yet, certainly indoors at events or in shops. We have yet to hear about the booster jabs in the autumn , but at least we are on a more positive trend. I am happy to go along with any measures if they will take us back to normality quicker. (whatever normality may turn out to be!)
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 4, 2021 9:24:13 GMT
Erm, I haven't had one? I'm saying that I don't think it should be mandatory to wear masks in settings that already have mitigations in place after the restrictions have been 'ended' (they haven't have they) and a enormous number of the population has been vaccinated. Which by 21st June they would have been btw, the timeline is running ahead of schedule and shouldn't take until late July at all. Don't make me sound like i'm advocating going round spitting in vulnerable peoples faces please. I've followed all the rules and will continue to do so I'm just not fully in agreement with the mask issue after 21st June. We aren't ahead of schedule: www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk we are currently projecting people will still be be recieving their first dose in August, so actually behind schedule, and six weeks after you want to remove all measures. And then it will be three months after that before those people are actually vaccinated. We have given one dose to only half the population at this point, and only a quarter of the population has had it's second dose and actually fully vaccinated. coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations That is not an "enormous number", this is a vast minority. Everyone is potentially vulnerable to this disease. You don't wish to be seen to be advocating spreading infection, whilst advocating removing every measure to stem the spread. I'm sorry if you don't like what you see in the mirror, that's not my problem. Well I can only go by what I read the other day that said we were about 2 weeks ahead of schedule with a further ramp up expected, so. If that's wrong it's wrong and obviously makes a difference to what I've been saying. I think that I've gotten it wrong and a been in my bonnet over it for some reason and I'd say that it is sensible to keep it in place until everyone has the chance of high protection from their first dose. I'm still not sure I would go as far as leaving it until everyones second doses though Maybe part of the issue comes with the governments road map and the way that it came across to a lot of people that 21st June would be the end of everything and maybe they should have been more cautious about what that actually meant. If they put an idea in your head about something it can get your back up when it doesn't seem to meet expectation.
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Post by firefingers on May 4, 2021 9:31:36 GMT
Everyone is potentially vulnerable to this disease. You don't wish to be seen to be advocating spreading infection, whilst advocating removing every measure to stem the spread. I'm sorry if you don't like what you see in the mirror, that's not my problem. He isn't advocating removing every measure. The issue is why require masks when everyones either shown proof of vaccination or a negative test? It's 3 weeks to stop the spread. Another 3 weeks. Another 4 week lockdown circuit breaker. Another lockdown. An end to remove social restrictions on June 21st has to be just that - an END to mandatory distancing and masking. Please, go ahead and wear one all you want but don't expect everyone else around you just to fall into line. I love the straw man of "Gosh you just want it to go on foreverrrr" when I literally state that removal of restrictions should happen when people have been vaccinated. Get everyone vaccinated tomorrow and we can de-mask. It's that simple. Where as remove everything too early and you may well end up with your, "It's 3 weeks to stop the spread. Another 3 weeks. Another 4 week lockdown circuit breaker. Another lockdown." See last year, when theatres opened for two weeks in London? I worked on a show that made a massive loss because of that bumbling about because the government unlocked too early and with too few measures in place. Oh, and as for testing, if they are using lateral flows as being offered to all households (and PCR testing the population frequently requires capacity we couldn't even dream of) then the fact that LTFs have large issues with giving false negatives (see www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4469 and www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-reliable-are-the-uks-coronavirus-lateral-flow-tests) might be a clue as to why the rules on masks are staying.
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Post by firefingers on May 4, 2021 9:41:13 GMT
Well I can only go by what I read the other day that said we were about 2 weeks ahead of schedule with a further ramp up expected, so. If that's wrong it's wrong and obviously makes a difference to what I've been saying. I think that I've gotten it wrong and a been in my bonnet over it for some reason and I'd say that it is sensible to keep it in place until everyone has the chance of high protection from their first dose. I'm still not sure I would go as far as leaving it until everyones second doses though Maybe part of the issue comes with the governments road map and the way that it came across to a lot of people that 21st June would be the end of everything and maybe they should have been more cautious about what that actually meant. If they put an idea in your head about something it can get your back up when it doesn't seem to meet expectation. Sadly the vaccine rollout is a bit like the chocolate ration in Orwell's 1984, always going up yet someone staying the same. I would be willing for a government reassessing of masks once everyone has been given a single dose, to see if it can be demonstrated that one dose gives enough protection. Then a mask free august bank holiday for all would be a lovely thing. And I would say that, as much as I dislike the government, it was really the media who stirred up the idea of these being hard and fast deadlines and anything other than the roadmap was some sort of mass betrayal (and why previously the government would not be drawn on when things would be able to happen). The wording on all the documents is "Not before June 21st" and the text refers to what the government's "hope" to be able to do. www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-response-spring-2021/covid-19-response-spring-2021-summary . Hopefully we can ditch the masks soon, I find them uncomfortable and difficult to work in, but only when we know that my or your not wearing one won't cause someone to lose a mother, father, brother, sister, friend or loved one. We have seen far too many funerals this last 15 months or so.
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Post by Mark on May 4, 2021 10:07:17 GMT
He isn't advocating removing every measure. The issue is why require masks when everyones either shown proof of vaccination or a negative test? It's 3 weeks to stop the spread. Another 3 weeks. Another 4 week lockdown circuit breaker. Another lockdown. An end to remove social restrictions on June 21st has to be just that - an END to mandatory distancing and masking. Please, go ahead and wear one all you want but don't expect everyone else around you just to fall into line. I love the straw man of "Gosh you just want it to go on foreverrrr" when I literally state that removal of restrictions should happen when people have been vaccinated. Get everyone vaccinated tomorrow and we can de-mask. It's that simple. Where as remove everything too early and you may well end up with your, "It's 3 weeks to stop the spread. Another 3 weeks. Another 4 week lockdown circuit breaker. Another lockdown." See last year, when theatres opened for two weeks in London? I worked on a show that made a massive loss because of that bumbling about because the government unlocked too early and with too few measures in place. Oh, and as for testing, if they are using lateral flows as being offered to all households (and PCR testing the population frequently requires capacity we couldn't even dream of) then the fact that LTFs have large issues with giving false negatives (see www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4469 and www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-reliable-are-the-uks-coronavirus-lateral-flow-tests) might be a clue as to why the rules on masks are staying. I'm just so sceptical they will just keep extending this mask mandate - we are already told there "may" be a third wave late summer despite everything. LFT - if they're so unreliable then why are the government happy to rely so much on them? Rates in Texas have continued to decrease, both cases and deaths. Their mask mandate was lifted 2 months ago.
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Post by firefingers on May 4, 2021 10:26:30 GMT
I'm just so sceptical they will just keep extending this mask mandate - we are already told there "may" be a third wave late summer despite everything. LFT - if they're so unreliable then why are the government happy to rely so much on them? Rates in Texas have continued to decrease, both cases and deaths. Their mask mandate was lifted 2 months ago. The predictions of a third wave seem to be diminishing: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/01/covid-modellers-optimistic-third-wave-may-not-happen/ but if one did start to appear I'm sure you'd agree that masking up again would be a small price to pay if cases did rise. LFTs are being used as they are the best we've got. Basically they only detect large amounts of virus, as the trade off speed (only taking 10 minutes) for accuracy. Which means if I am infected and getting worse it may not pick up as my viral load increases and am infectious with a negative test result, sat next to someone maskless in the a theatre for example. But we don't have the testing capacity for everyone to get bi weekly PCR tests, nor would people accept the 24 to 48 hour wait for results, so it should shave off some cases. The logic is detecting some cases is better than detecting no cases, which is true, but without detecting all cases it still leaves gaps for the infection to spread. Comparing the US is a wee bit daft, anyone over the age of 18 can now get vaccinated in the US now. Additionally Texas has half the population of the UK but has about 50% more cases, so per captia it has double the cases we do and looks to have plateaued at the level.
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Post by Mark on May 4, 2021 10:39:25 GMT
I'm just so sceptical they will just keep extending this mask mandate - we are already told there "may" be a third wave late summer despite everything. LFT - if they're so unreliable then why are the government happy to rely so much on them? Rates in Texas have continued to decrease, both cases and deaths. Their mask mandate was lifted 2 months ago. The predictions of a third wave seem to be diminishing: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/01/covid-modellers-optimistic-third-wave-may-not-happen/ but if one did start to appear I'm sure you'd agree that masking up again would be a small price to pay if cases did rise. LFTs are being used as they are the best we've got. Basically they only detect large amounts of virus, as the trade off speed (only taking 10 minutes) for accuracy. Which means if I am infected and getting worse it may not pick up as my viral load increases and am infectious with a negative test result, sat next to someone maskless in the a theatre for example. But we don't have the testing capacity for everyone to get bi weekly PCR tests, nor would people accept the 24 to 48 hour wait for results, so it should shave off some cases. The logic is detecting some cases is better than detecting no cases, which is true, but without detecting all cases it still leaves gaps for the infection to spread. Comparing the US is a wee bit daft, anyone over the age of 18 can now get vaccinated in the US now. Additionally Texas has half the population of the UK but has about 50% more cases, so per captia it has double the cases we do and looks to have plateaued at the level. But doesn't the science also say that Covid is now endemic and we will see cases rise every winter? The main thing isn't cases surely but severe illness/hospitalisation/deaths? If cases rise every winter do you suggest masking each and every winter? Because the whole premise of lockdowns and restrictions was to protect the vulnerable, and not to eliminate covid (which as much as I'd love, science says isn't going to be possible)
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Post by poster J on May 4, 2021 10:56:26 GMT
Everyone is potentially vulnerable to this disease. You don't wish to be seen to be advocating spreading infection, whilst advocating removing every measure to stem the spread. I'm sorry if you don't like what you see in the mirror, that's not my problem. He isn't advocating removing every measure. The issue is why require masks when everyones either shown proof of vaccination or a negative test? It's 3 weeks to stop the spread. Another 3 weeks. Another 4 week lockdown circuit breaker. Another lockdown. An end to remove social restrictions on June 21st has to be just that - an END to mandatory distancing and masking. Please, go ahead and wear one all you want but don't expect everyone else around you just to fall into line. Surely as someone who has been frequently tested throughout this you must know that tests aren't 100% reliable. And the bigger point is that the vaccinated can still spread the disease. Why on earth should those of us who haven't been given the opportunity to be vaccinated yet have extra risk forced on us just because people can no longer be bothered to wear a piece of cloth over their face for a few more months? The medically exempt will still be exempt so that has nothing to do with it. What you are advocating is no more than people being allowed to be selfish at the expense of people lower down the vaccine priority chain instead of putting up with a minor inconvenience for a short while longer. That is not ok and I am astonished you think it can be justified in any way. Even in the US where restrictions are being eased social distancing and mask wearing is only being relaxed among fully vaccinated people, not when they are mixing with those who haven't had a jab yet. It's just basic common sense.
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Post by poster J on May 4, 2021 10:58:36 GMT
Because the whole premise of lockdowns and restrictions was to protect the vulnerable, and not to eliminate covid (which as much as I'd love, science says isn't going to be possible) The vulnerable are now the non-vaccinated, and some more minor restrictions like masks and social distancing are enough to sufficiently protect them. That's basically the start and end of it.
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Post by firefingers on May 4, 2021 11:07:34 GMT
But doesn't the science also say that Covid is now endemic and we will see cases rise every winter? The main thing isn't cases surely but severe illness/hospitalisation/deaths? If cases rise every winter do you suggest masking each and every winter? Because the whole premise of lockdowns and restrictions was to protect the vulnerable, and not to eliminate covid (which as much as I'd love, science says isn't going to be possible) It depends on how the virus mutates and how they behave against the vaccine. Smallpox isn't seasonal. Spanish flu mutated away. We just don't know yet what it will do, we are just guessing till we get there. And I realise elimination is nearly impossible but more cases = more chances for nasty mutations, hence why we had the Kent variant when we didn't have control, as well as a Brazil variant and a Indian variant but no sign of a new China variant or a Thai variant (though it appears the UK variant hitting Thailand has caused there numbers to spike). Deaths are more important, but keeping cases low is also. Vaccines should do that in the long term, so keeping masks in the short term until we get to the long term seems prudent. Am I suggesting we wear masks in winter? Well we usually have about 17,000 deaths a year from flu and... www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-england-phe-latest-b1805124.html It would be wonderful if we moved to the lifestyle of far East nations and masked up when ill to proect others but unfornatunatly it is so ingrained in us that illness = weakness that I don't think it would happen. So I guess I am suggesting it, but not expecting it or am I asking for the government to mandate it.
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Post by Mark on May 4, 2021 11:15:02 GMT
He isn't advocating removing every measure. The issue is why require masks when everyones either shown proof of vaccination or a negative test? It's 3 weeks to stop the spread. Another 3 weeks. Another 4 week lockdown circuit breaker. Another lockdown. An end to remove social restrictions on June 21st has to be just that - an END to mandatory distancing and masking. Please, go ahead and wear one all you want but don't expect everyone else around you just to fall into line. Surely as someone who has been frequently tested throughout this you must know that tests aren't 100% reliable. And the bigger point is that the vaccinated can still spread the disease. Why on earth should those of us who haven't been given the opportunity to be vaccinated yet have extra risk forced on us just because people can no longer be bothered to wear a piece of cloth over their face for a few more months? The medically exempt will still be exempt so that has nothing to do with it. What you are advocating is no more than people being allowed to be selfish at the expense of people lower down the vaccine priority chain instead of putting up with a minor inconvenience for a short while longer. That is not ok and I am astonished you think it can be justified in any way. Even in the US where restrictions are being eased social distancing and mask wearing is only being relaxed among fully vaccinated people, not when they are mixing with those who haven't had a jab yet. It's just basic common sense. A short while longer? Yes... 7 more weeks until June 21st. Then it's coming off for good.
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Post by poster J on May 4, 2021 11:16:56 GMT
Surely as someone who has been frequently tested throughout this you must know that tests aren't 100% reliable. And the bigger point is that the vaccinated can still spread the disease. Why on earth should those of us who haven't been given the opportunity to be vaccinated yet have extra risk forced on us just because people can no longer be bothered to wear a piece of cloth over their face for a few more months? The medically exempt will still be exempt so that has nothing to do with it. What you are advocating is no more than people being allowed to be selfish at the expense of people lower down the vaccine priority chain instead of putting up with a minor inconvenience for a short while longer. That is not ok and I am astonished you think it can be justified in any way. Even in the US where restrictions are being eased social distancing and mask wearing is only being relaxed among fully vaccinated people, not when they are mixing with those who haven't had a jab yet. It's just basic common sense. A short while longer? Yes... 7 more weeks until June 21st. Then it's coming off for good. Then please explain how you will guarantee I've had at least my first jab by then. Otherwise everything I've said about people being selfish remains true. I have no issue with social distancing being removed if masks are kept, but not both.
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