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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 4, 2020 10:07:13 GMT
My personal theory is that if vaccines all came in tablet form for example, there'd be far less anti-vaxxers. Think of how many medicines/tablets/syrups/creams you take from your doctor over the course of your life without question, yet as soon as it comes in the form of a needle people lose their minds. I think you are quite right. Going off on a tangent... I wonder how many people are anti yet stuff their faces with meat products made up from from floor sweepings from the abatoir floor or recreational drugs cut with rat poison or fertiliser |
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Post by christya on Dec 4, 2020 10:26:00 GMT
It always surprises me how many people won't be vaccinated. My workplace offers to pay for the flu jab for anyone who wants it, and almost nobody actually gets it.
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 4, 2020 10:58:38 GMT
I didn't know until earlier this week but one of my neighbours doesn't believe Covid exists, that it's a hoax and won't entertain the idea of a jab. He's not working atm but says he won't leave London as he wants to be around for the protests.
He's about 45, met his parents with no qualms - they rented a holiday home together in the summer in the Lake District.
One thing that struck me so far is he's never had manflu or even flu. I'll have longer chats with him to try and understand better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 11:40:50 GMT
My personal theory is that if vaccines all came in tablet form for example, there'd be far less anti-vaxxers. I wouldn't be so sure. It's astonishing how far from rationality people will get in order to cling to a belief. If someone wants to believe that the medical profession is set on harming them they'll find a way to believe it, whether it's by injections or tablets or secret death rays emitted by the lamps in the doctor's reception area. I mean, there are people who think Covid-19 is caused by 5G. It might as well be evil pixies. |
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Post by FrontrowverPaul on Dec 4, 2020 12:13:10 GMT
I didn't know until earlier this week but one of my neighbours doesn't believe Covid exists, that it's a hoax and won't entertain the idea of a jab. He's not working atm but says he won't leave London as he wants to be around for the protests. He's about 45, met his parents with no qualms - they rented a holiday home together in the summer in the Lake District. One thing that struck me so far is he's never had manflu or even flu. I'll have longer chats with him to try and understand better. I would avoid all contact with anyone who doesn't believe that Covid exists. They could be an asymptomatic super-spreader. Possibly like your neighbour, I'm in the fortuitous position of having reached the age of 65 without any serious illness in my adult life. Never had flu, not even a backache or headache and never taken a pain-killer except for toothache decades ago. Haven't seen my GP for 15 years and probably fewer than 10 times ever as an adult. I've declined, probably unwisely, all invitations to health screening so far and my last vaccination/injection was as a young child. (I guess that makes me very lucky but I will add that it has been a very different situation with my dental health and I lost most of my teeth at a young age despite being denied sweets through much of my childhood!) Nevertheless I will be having this Vaccine as soon as it is offered . I do have a misgiving about anything being injected into me and would possibly decline if Covid 19 wasn't both highly contagious and sometimes asymptomatic. I don't really socialise but the thought of unknowingly passing on a killer disease to someone who happens to sit next to me at the theatre or on a train is very sobering and I want to go back to doing the things I enjoy without that shadow. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Dec 4, 2020 13:12:49 GMT
My personal theory is that if vaccines all came in tablet form for example, there'd be far less anti-vaxxers. Think of how many medicines/tablets/syrups/creams you take from your doctor over the course of your life without question, yet as soon as it comes in the form of a needle people lose their minds. Not me! I'm terrible at taking pills. The worst vaccine I ever had was a polio booster orally. I found that much more unpleasant than the other boosters I had via injection at the same time. When I had to start taking pills daily 8 years ago it took weeks of daily hysterics before I could get them down & they are small pills. Other medicines I've had to get in liquid form because I haven't been able to swallow larger pills. |
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 4, 2020 16:29:33 GMT
I didn't know until earlier this week but one of my neighbours doesn't believe Covid exists, that it's a hoax and won't entertain the idea of a jab. He's not working atm but says he won't leave London as he wants to be around for the protests. He's about 45, met his parents with no qualms - they rented a holiday home together in the summer in the Lake District. One thing that struck me so far is he's never had manflu or even flu. I'll have longer chats with him to try and understand better. I would avoid all contact with anyone who doesn't believe that Covid exists. They could be an asymptomatic super-spreader. That's probably a good idea, esp. as he's been to all the demonstrations.
What a risk though: knocking around in London in the summer and going on holiday with your 70+ -yo parents!
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Post by kathryn on Dec 4, 2020 20:15:54 GMT
My personal theory is that if vaccines all came in tablet form for example, there'd be far less anti-vaxxers. Think of how many medicines/tablets/syrups/creams you take from your doctor over the course of your life without question, yet as soon as it comes in the form of a needle people lose their minds. Some people are actually convinced that injections are better than pills - to the extent that a placebo delivered via injection 'works' better than a placebo delivered in pill form. This has had a horrible side effect in some countries - injections are sought-after by parents for their children because they are thought to be better than pills, but injecting is also much more expensive, so to cut costs needles are re-used without being adequately sterilised, leading to outbreaks of HIV among children. |
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Post by clair on Dec 9, 2020 16:14:09 GMT
I will now have to check whether or not I should have the vaccine as they are saying that those who experience serious allergic reactions should not have the Pfizer/BioNTech one after two NHS staff reacted badly. Let's hope one of the others works well for those this one doesn't as both my Dad and I suffer from bad reactions - put in this way dental sedation has me out cold for three days!
I do think there would be a greater take up if it were available in tablet/liquid form as well as a jab, many people with needlephobia may struggle to force themselves into it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 16:31:15 GMT
I will now have to check whether or not I should have the vaccine as they are saying that those who experience serious allergic reactions should not have the Pfizer/BioNTech one after two NHS staff reacted badly. Let's hope one of the others works well for those this one doesn't as both my Dad and I suffer from bad reactions - put in this way dental sedation has me out cold for three days! I do think there would be a greater take up if it were available in tablet/liquid form as well as a jab, many people with needlephobia may struggle to force themselves into it. The majority of people are most likely going to get the Oxford vaccine and not the one currently approved. |
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Post by clair on Dec 9, 2020 16:53:09 GMT
My theory is that of the several vaccines that are going to be out there one of them will be fine, I'll just be careful to check first. On the plus side Dad will have it first so I can take my cue from him as our reactions are very similar!
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Post by TallPaul on Dec 14, 2020 17:43:20 GMT
I'm not sure it's been widely reported, but those receiving the jab now have to be observed in situ for 15 minutes, in case of an adverse reaction.
Unless the hospital or GP surgery has unlimited space, which seems unlikely, won't this new requirement lead to a substantial reduction in the numbers who can be vaccinated each day?
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Post by clair on Dec 14, 2020 18:11:46 GMT
It might reduce numbers but better that than have the PR issue of some adverse reactions on the way home leading to major problems and fewer people having it due to fear
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 14, 2020 18:33:26 GMT
I'm not sure it's been widely reported, but those receiving the jab now have to be observed in situ for 15 minutes, in case of an adverse reaction. Unless the hospital or GP surgery has unlimited space, which seems unlikely, won't this new requirement lead to a substantial reduction in the numbers who can be vaccinated each day? You have to sign a consent form too, apparently. |
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Post by TallPaul on Dec 14, 2020 18:41:36 GMT
Will a paw print do? 🐾 Better order some XL forms!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 19:15:23 GMT
I'm not sure it's been widely reported, but those receiving the jab now have to be observed in situ for 15 minutes, in case of an adverse reaction. Unless the hospital or GP surgery has unlimited space, which seems unlikely, won't this new requirement lead to a substantial reduction in the numbers who can be vaccinated each day? Not much different to having a flu jab then - anywhere I've had that done has always told me to stay around or close by for a short period of time after the jab just in case. I'm also not sure why anyone is surprised that people have to give consent to having a vaccine, that has always been the case for any vaccine I've had! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 14, 2020 19:29:39 GMT
I'm not sure it's been widely reported, but those receiving the jab now have to be observed in situ for 15 minutes, in case of an adverse reaction. Unless the hospital or GP surgery has unlimited space, which seems unlikely, won't this new requirement lead to a substantial reduction in the numbers who can be vaccinated each day? Not much different to having a flu jab then - anywhere I've had that done has always told me to stay around or close by for a short period of time after the jab just in case. I'm also not sure why anyone is surprised that people have to give consent to having a vaccine, that has always been the case for any vaccine I've had! No one was expressing surprise. I was making a statement according to what I heard on the radio earlier. And, for your information, it’s not necessary to sign a consent form before having a flu vaccination. You don’t have to hang about afterwards for allergy reaction either. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 20:43:18 GMT
Not much different to having a flu jab then - anywhere I've had that done has always told me to stay around or close by for a short period of time after the jab just in case. I'm also not sure why anyone is surprised that people have to give consent to having a vaccine, that has always been the case for any vaccine I've had! No one was expressing surprise. I was making a statement according to what I heard on the radio earlier. And, for your information, it’s not necessary to sign a consent form before having a flu vaccination. You don’t have to hang about afterwards for allergy reaction either. Well you always have to fill in your details and agree to get the vaccine at least, unless you have a doctor who just sticks a needle in you without asking. And I am just posting my own experience - I have always been asked to hang around or nearby for a few minutes after a flu vaccine just in case. Maybe my doctor just cares more than most. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 14, 2020 21:17:29 GMT
No one was expressing surprise. I was making a statement according to what I heard on the radio earlier. And, for your information, it’s not necessary to sign a consent form before having a flu vaccination. You don’t have to hang about afterwards for allergy reaction either. And I am just posting my own experience - I have always been asked to hang around or nearby for a few minutes after a flu vaccine just in case. Maybe my doctor just cares more than most. No, no details are filled in and yes you just get a needle stuck in your arm. You get invited for the flu vaccination I suppose you give consent by accepting the invitation. I’m sure it might be different if you go to Boots or some high street outlet. Either which way, the fact that people are being asked to sign a consent form for the covid vaccine (if what I heard is correct ) is a departure from the procedure for Flu in my experience and everyone I know who gets it. |
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Post by kathryn on Dec 14, 2020 22:05:31 GMT
I’ve never had a flu jab at my GP’s - I’ve had it though work or at a chemist - and have always filled in basic medical/allergy info and signed the form first. And the first time I had it I was advised to stay nearby for a while after. I guess once you’ve had it a few times without problems they stop suggesting you do that.
I guess it’s not required if you get it from your doctor because they already have all that info on file.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 22:06:21 GMT
Well you always have to fill in your details and agree to get the vaccine at least, unless you have a doctor who just sticks a needle in you without asking.And I am just posting my own experience - I have always been asked to hang around or nearby for a few minutes after a flu vaccine just in case. Maybe my doctor just cares more than most. No, no details are filled in and yes you just get a needle stuck in your arm. You get invited for the flu vaccination I suppose you give consent by accepting the invitation. I’m sure it might be different if you go to Boots or some high street outlet. Either which way, the fact that people are being asked to sign a consent form for the covid vaccine (if what I heard is correct ) is a departure from the procedure for Flu in my experience and everyone I know who gets it. I do, I'm not sure why you seem to think I'm lying. Happened in both the High Street place and getting it in work. Just because you don't get asked doesn't mean other people don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 9:35:32 GMT
Echo'ing Poster J here. I've recently had a batch of immunisations and been asked for wait around for a while after. Also signing disclosure forms is pretty standard. Remember this is a SARS vaccination, not just another jab for a new flu strain.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 15, 2020 20:50:13 GMT
No, no details are filled in and yes you just get a needle stuck in your arm. You get invited for the flu vaccination I suppose you give consent by accepting the invitation. I’m sure it might be different if you go to Boots or some high street outlet. Either which way, the fact that people are being asked to sign a consent form for the covid vaccine (if what I heard is correct ) is a departure from the procedure for Flu in my experience and everyone I know who gets it. I do, I'm not sure why you seem to think I'm lying. Happened in both the High Street place and getting it in work. Just because you don't get asked doesn't mean other people don't. No one ever said you were lying PJ, don’t put words in my mouth please. Just because you do get asked to consent when you get vaccinated by third parties at work or in the high street doesn’t meant other people don’t have to sign a consent form when they get vaccination at their GP which is my own experience. Thank you! |
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Post by theatreian on Dec 15, 2020 23:12:47 GMT
My parents are getting it tomorrow. They were only called today so pretty short notice, but are excited at the prospect! Hope to be able to finally see them again in the New Year as I live some way away and not seen them since August.
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Post by vickyg on Dec 16, 2020 10:01:44 GMT
Congrats to your parents theatreian, I hope they have a great experience. Can't wait to see mine get to the top of the list! |
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