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Post by kathryn on Nov 19, 2020 20:32:39 GMT
The people who will refuse to take the vaccine: did they have vaccinations as children? I’m assuming they did because they would have to be very old to have missed them. So measles, polio, TB possibly just three of the possible vaccinations they could have had. These would have protected them from deadly diseases. In fact chances are they did. Measles kills but now of course the anti vaxxers just class it as a childhood illness, not worth worrying about. In the UK we didn't have to worry so much about smallpox but there again, I wonder why not? So have a think before you say you will not be vaccinated. Glad you are healthy, long may you remain so. It isn’t about general health, though. Funnily enough, viruses are not choosey.. Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 19, 2020 20:57:04 GMT
Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while. Similar experience in my family. One of my mother's cousins had polio as a child. He recovered fairly well at the time but as he's got hold he has had increased mobility issues. My mother was talking about polio only the other day, saying that the fear of catching it when she was young was comparable to the fear of catching covid now (well, the fear of some people, others don't seem to give a damn about covid). Also apropos vaccines, my recent too-close encounters with brambles (see the How was your day? thread) made me very glad that I'd had a booster for tetanus among other things before going on holiday a year ago, so at least I don't have to worry about getting that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 21:26:42 GMT
Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation At school my French teacher had a polio deformity and needed a walking stick. In retrospect I don't know how he managed to survive classrooms of kids who had all the sensitivity you'd expect of tweens.
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Post by CG on the loose on Nov 19, 2020 23:33:22 GMT
Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation At school my French teacher had a polio deformity and needed a walking stick. In retrospect I don't know how he managed to survive classrooms of kids who had all the sensitivity you'd expect of tweens. Ditto on everything except "he" (and she needed two sticks).
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 20, 2020 1:34:08 GMT
The people who will refuse to take the vaccine: did they have vaccinations as children? I’m assuming they did because they would have to be very old to have missed them. So measles, polio, TB possibly just three of the possible vaccinations they could have had. These would have protected them from deadly diseases. In fact chances are they did. Measles kills but now of course the anti vaxxers just class it as a childhood illness, not worth worrying about. In the UK we didn't have to worry so much about smallpox but there again, I wonder why not? So have a think before you say you will not be vaccinated. Glad you are healthy, long may you remain so. It isn’t about general health, though. Funnily enough, viruses are not choosey.. Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while. Quite a big outbreak in the late 50s. As you say, the local lido was often how it passed. I've come across 3 or 4 people in my life with a withered limb from that time. Unlucky as hell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 1:44:43 GMT
yes unless I am told not to by a doctor. Both my parents are doctors and they said just to take the vaccine. I want to assure people no I do not get a special vaccine . I am on the spectrum. So if vaccines did cause autism. Well neither my parents who are both rich and doctors did not think it would or it had no link. So I doubt it does
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 20, 2020 7:02:31 GMT
I haven't been to bed yet. This doesn't bode well at all ..
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Post by Jan on Nov 20, 2020 8:15:43 GMT
Why isn't the flu vaccine provided to everyone ?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 20, 2020 10:07:52 GMT
Why isn't the flu vaccine provided to everyone ? Risk, cost, time?
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Post by kathryn on Nov 20, 2020 10:19:14 GMT
I think, after all the coverage of just how many people die from Flu in a 'normal' year (which I don't think was particularly widely known among the general public until it started being used as a reason not to worry about Coronavirus), that there will be more of a push in future to widen free availability of the Flu vaccine.
Though supply is an issue - there's obviously been a higher take-up than usual this year, and it's very hard to get booked in for one.
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 20, 2020 10:23:13 GMT
It has been announced just this morning that, in England, the flu vaccine will be offered to everyone aged 50 and over, starting on 1 December.
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Post by david on Nov 20, 2020 10:40:25 GMT
Talking about the Flu vaccine, senior management at the lab where I work arranged for a local nurse to come in over a few weeks to give the vaccine to those who wanted it. Certainly, looking at the list of staff who put their names forward there was certainly a big uptake. Maybe this is the sort of thing other organizations could look at not only for the Flu but also the COVID vaccine to help the vaccination process later on.
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Post by Jan on Nov 20, 2020 11:00:04 GMT
Why isn't the flu vaccine provided to everyone ? Risk, cost, time? Risk is very low. Cost too. The answer seems to be that it has only ever been offered to those most at personal risk (the old and the young in the case of flu) which is a policy they're presumably going to abandon for the Covid vaccine.
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Post by maggiem on Nov 20, 2020 11:13:42 GMT
The people who will refuse to take the vaccine: did they have vaccinations as children? I’m assuming they did because they would have to be very old to have missed them. So measles, polio, TB possibly just three of the possible vaccinations they could have had. These would have protected them from deadly diseases. In fact chances are they did. Measles kills but now of course the anti vaxxers just class it as a childhood illness, not worth worrying about. In the UK we didn't have to worry so much about smallpox but there again, I wonder why not? So have a think before you say you will not be vaccinated. Glad you are healthy, long may you remain so. It isn’t about general health, though. Funnily enough, viruses are not choosey.. Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while. When I was at primary school, there was a case of polio reported among the people running a travelling fair, so all the kids in the places where it had been had to have the vaccine. I remember a huge line at my GP's surgery of all the schoolkids having it on a sugar lump.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 20, 2020 11:19:26 GMT
Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while. When I was at primary school, there was a case of polio reported among the people running a travelling fair, so all the kids in the places where it had been had to have the vaccine. I remember a huge line at my GP's surgery of all the schoolkids having it on a sugar lump. Me too. There was a buzz of excitement around the school about “pink sugar” but when it came to it was just a normal white sugar lump. Pink sugar was probably an urban myth designed to get kids to have it! I had another jab as a kid that left a ring of 5 dots in your arm for years after. Would that be TB?
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Post by Deal J on Nov 20, 2020 11:25:33 GMT
Yeah, TB I think - I remember that one, it was like a big pepperpot.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 20, 2020 11:43:07 GMT
Talking about the Flu vaccine, senior management at the lab where I work arranged for a local nurse to come in over a few weeks to give the vaccine to those who wanted it. Certainly, looking at the list of staff who put their names forward there was certainly a big uptake. Maybe this is the sort of thing other organizations could look at not only for the Flu but also the COVID vaccine to help the vaccination process later on. Yes, we've had that the past few years. It makes good sense - if you get a flu outbreak in the office that has a few people off sick for a week you'll lose far more money than the cost of the vaccinations. This year we've all been sent a voucher to use locally - but I haven't been able to get an appointment to actually get it yet. Though thinking about it I did give them my mobile phone number, which is now dead....
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Post by firefingers on Nov 20, 2020 11:47:27 GMT
Risk is very low. Cost too. The answer seems to be that it has only ever been offered to those most at personal risk (the old and the young in the case of flu) which is a policy they're presumably going to abandon for the Covid vaccine. Hopefully they do abandon the policy but that wasnt the plan last month: www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751I feel our understanding of the virus and effects is progressing to a point where it is blindingly obvious we need a good 90% of the population vaccinated for it to actually work (plus effects of long covid, private companies choosing not to hire staff they think of as a risk, events including theatres refusing patrons, countries closing borders to the unvaccinated etc) I suspect that will change. But to do it quickly and well then it is going to cost a sh*t ton, and if the government donors can't skim 20% of the money then will they bother to crack on or just drag it out for a few years and save the cash? Time will tell.
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Post by christya on Nov 20, 2020 11:47:38 GMT
With TB you had to have the 'six pricks' (teehee, said all the primary school children) first to see if you needed the jab. Then the BCG afterward, which left a scar for most people. I still have mine. It was quite the horror story among kids about how dreadful it all was, I was quite surprised when it just hurt a bit. All the kerfuffle seemed a bit overdone for something that was just 'Ow, bye'.
It seems rather irresponsible to refuse the vaccine without good reason. None of us want this rubbish to go on forever - why should some people be able to take advantage of the improvements brought by a vaccine, without doing their bit? Once everyone has been offered it, I'd frankly make it a requirement for a hell of a lot of things. Some people genuinely cannot have this kind of jab so it's important for those who can to do so.
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 20, 2020 11:49:48 GMT
My memory of the TB jab is that the five dot thing was a precursor to the actual vaccine being administered. I can't remember which way round it was, but if you reacted one way, I'm sure you were deemed to already have sufficient antibodies. As it turned out, the actual injection wasn't anything like as painful as we all imagined, but being 10, we didn't half work ourselves into a right lather. ETA: You posted while I was still writing, christya. Your experience sounds the same as mine. 🙂
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 20, 2020 12:52:59 GMT
Yes I’m sure that would be it. There was never any question about having vaccinations back then as far as I remember. People just dutifully lined up and took what was on offer. I mean, given the choice between a sugar lump and being incapacitated for life because of polio.... no brainer?
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 20, 2020 13:08:44 GMT
When I had the polio booster as a teenager I was deeply hacked off to find there was no sugar lump, just liquid squirted down the back of one's throat. It tasted disgusting & I thought it was far worse than having the other boosters injected at the same time. I don't recall being too worried about having the TB jab personally but evidently others were as I vividly remember walking into the school hall to have it done & there being several girls laid out on matresses, like a field hospital! I suspect they were collapsing due to axiety & perhaps mass hysteria rather than any actual physical effects of having the vaccie, as I strongly doubt any vaccine could cause side effects that quickly.
NB to opera directors: when you're directing a film of an opera where the heroine dies of TB, don't having your leading lady in a sleeveless bodice so on her bare arm the scar from her TB jab is clearly visible!
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Post by lichtie on Nov 20, 2020 13:28:04 GMT
Risk is very low. Cost too. The answer seems to be that it has only ever been offered to those most at personal risk (the old and the young in the case of flu) which is a policy they're presumably going to abandon for the Covid vaccine. I think the main reason they were hesitating before in England was lack of supply. They'd already run out near me and hadn't even finished the over 70s...
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Post by Jan on Nov 20, 2020 13:48:20 GMT
People in this thread are conflating anti-vaxers in general with people who are anti this particular vaccine. For example the MMR has been around for years, has been administered 500 million times and thus is known to be safe. It would be foolish to refuse it. However this vaccine has been around for a few months and has been tested on less than 100,000 people, it also uses an entirely new technology which has never been been approved before. For higher risk people it would seem obvious to take it - for young people at little risk from the disease itself the decision is less clear. There is no real downside for them to wait a few years before deciding, to see how safe this vaccine is in practice or to wait for a “conventional” vaccine (not based on genetic modification techniques) to come along. In the case of children I think it might even be medically unethical to give it to them unless the protection it offered was permanent.
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Post by vdcni on Nov 20, 2020 14:11:33 GMT
Well given this current conversation was kicked off by someone saying they wouldn't accept this pollution of their body it didn't really give the impression that they were just concerned about this vaccine being new.
I'm on an advisory committee at work and a colleague got in touch to demand the company didn't make the vaccine mandatory for staff. Out of the blue as this was months ago and there was no reason for her to think we would ever do that. At first she said it was because it would be too new but then to back up her argument she sent a 100+ page PDF of the most nonsense anti vax stuff including a chapter on Andrew Wakefield, scientific martyr.
From what I've seen online most of the resistance to this vaccine comes from being anti vaccine in general.
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