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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 11, 2020 20:09:48 GMT
Will you?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 11, 2020 20:10:08 GMT
Get it in me 👍
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Post by partytentdown on Nov 11, 2020 20:19:14 GMT
Nervous about this poll positioning this as a casual choice. Everybody should be having the vaccine, if offered, unless there's a medical reason not to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 20:53:22 GMT
I rather naively was under the impression that everyone else was of the same opinion too, once it’s ready, why would you not take it?
Most people I speak to are firmly in the “no” camp though. There’s a lot of fear it would seem surrounding the rapid pace at which the vaccine has been developed. Personally I’d rather have it and return to some form of normality than not.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 11, 2020 22:03:50 GMT
Nervous about this poll positioning this as a casual choice. Everybody should be having the vaccine, if offered, unless there's a medical reason not to. Well, it IS a choice. I’m not sure where casual comes into it. How would you position this poll?
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Post by theatreian on Nov 11, 2020 22:51:15 GMT
I will have the first vaccine that has been approved the relevant authorities. Whether that be the Pfizer one or Oxford or another. If our authorities approve it as safe as well as other checks that have been carried out, that is good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 22:57:16 GMT
I’d have been a test subject given half the change, gimme gimme gimme.
I thought Matt Hancock’s position on whether the vaccine was going to be compulsory was interesting though - it won’t be because they assume most people will want it. Not really sure what they would do if the majority of people opted out.
I literally had a conversation with my grandad about it (less than an hour ago) and he’s in his 80s and he doesn’t know whether to have it or not. According to him, ‘they’re making it all up as they go along’. I had to point out that of course they are - it’s a new vaccine built from scratch in record time.
I’d be really disappointed in anyone who doesn’t have the vaccine. Caution is one thing, but opting out ‘just in case’ is not the way forward in my opinion. I think it’s imperative not to give the anti-vaxxers their moment to win people to their cause - this is their biggest opportunity to score a ‘win’ and will run with it, as they’re unlikely to ever have another moment like this.
Obviously people will make their own minds up, but COVID needs suppressing and then erasing (hopefully). But rightly or wrongly, I judge anyone who would opt to allow themselves to remain susceptible to it when they don’t need to be.
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 11, 2020 23:11:01 GMT
Anybody wanting to go to live gigs won't have a lot of choice, as Ticketmaster plan to have a system whereby ticketholders must prove they've taken the vaccine or had a negative test result in order to gain entry:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 0:04:02 GMT
I’ll be getting it as soon as it’s available to me.
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 12, 2020 0:06:24 GMT
I wouldn't trust Americans on any aspect of healthcare. The Oxford vaccine will be here soon enough.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 12, 2020 0:28:35 GMT
Nervous about this poll positioning this as a casual choice. Everybody should be having the vaccine, if offered, unless there's a medical reason not to. Well, it IS a choice. I’m not sure where casual comes into it. How would you position this poll? Being one who is extremely vulnerable I would be very foolish not to have it, I have already had my flu vaccine. It is a complete game changer for me. This all goes in with the MMR argument and the same arguments being made for not having that is being made for this, people read something by some idiot on Facebook and take it as literal. The stories I have heard on LBC have made me very concerned and frankly saddened. Parent/s taking their children out of school being a pertinent example, family members becoming estranged, because they have a radical views from the internet and get virtual hugs and hearts from a insane online community, it is bonkers. Don’t get me wrong as an adult you have every right to catch a virus and face the full consequences of it, which may include death by not having a vaccine, what you don’t have a right to do is to spread it to others so they face the full consequences of it including death. You don’t have rights as a parent/s to deny your children a vaccine either. Don’t even get me started on the 5G argument and that blithering idiot of Piers Corbyn.
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Post by peggs on Nov 12, 2020 0:52:45 GMT
Well are they even going to be offering it to the under 50s? Read several things today suggesting the reckon by covering the 50+ they'll cover 99% of likely covid deaths and they might stop there.
I was surprised when my physio said she thought anyone below 40 would be better off not as there are too many unknowns with long term effects and as lower risk they'd be better of not.
I think my mother would potentially refuse it merely on the basis that since a doctor told her to go home to bed and that she had flu about 30 years ago (when i think she had flu) she's never forgiven them for not treating her and has ranted about health care ever since.
The last year has shown hugely how influenced my family are by the very limited news they read/watch and how without any contrary views it becomes 'true'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 4:19:51 GMT
Well are they even going to be offering it to the under 50s? Read several things today suggesting the reckon by covering the 50+ they'll cover 99% of likely covid deaths and they might stop there. That would be a terrible policy.
Protecting the most vulnerable isn't enough. We need to stop the disease spreading completely, and that means vaccinating enough of the population to achieve that. If we don't then it will spread to infect almost everyone, which will have two consequences. Firstly, every other country in the world will refuse to accept visitors from Britain unless they go through quarantine because literally everyone has the potential to be a carrier. Secondly, we create a massive pool of hosts in which the virus can mutate as much as it likes to evade our attempts to control it.
As with all pandemics the main problem isn't the people who catch it and die, because as far as the virus is concerned they are literal dead ends. The problem is the people who catch it and live.
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Post by olliebean on Nov 12, 2020 8:05:27 GMT
Terrible policies are par for the course with this government. I can definitely see them reviving the original herd immunity strategy - shield the vulnerable and let everyone else get it - as vaccinate the vulnerable and let everyone else get it.
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Post by peggs on Nov 12, 2020 9:24:51 GMT
That would be my fear.
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Post by Dr Tom on Nov 12, 2020 9:27:34 GMT
Yes, once it reaches me, assuming there have been no problems identified by the earlier guinea pigs.
I'll be a long way down the list of priorities, so we'll be talking late 2021 before it gets to my turn.
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Post by Jan on Nov 12, 2020 9:36:39 GMT
Might do, in a few years time maybe, in autumn, no point having it in spring. I see NHS staff will be offered it first, I'll be watching to see whether there will be high take-up from doctors (enough have already commented to know it won't be 100%).
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Post by Jan on Nov 12, 2020 9:39:12 GMT
I wouldn't trust Americans on any aspect of healthcare. BioNTech who are the developers are a German company.
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Post by clair on Nov 12, 2020 10:15:52 GMT
I would but only once it has been proven to work and once I know what the possible side effects could be - as someone with many allergies (including penicillin and ibuprofen) I have quite severe reactions to most medication so am a little wary until more is known about it.
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Post by jaqs on Nov 12, 2020 11:03:38 GMT
I’ve not been registered with a GP for over a decade so I doubt I’ll have access to it. If I can buy one like a flu jab then I’ll get it but expect to be bottom of the heap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 11:05:43 GMT
I can't see them restricting it. It's not as if the manufacturers of the vaccines are going to make a few million doses and then say "Bored now!" and stop so there won't be a long-term shortage of supply, and it wouldn't be politically popular to tell people they can't get vaccinated against a disease that kills almost 1% of those it infects no matter how much they want to.
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Post by Dr Tom on Nov 12, 2020 11:18:07 GMT
There won't be any shortage of doses. It all depends how quickly they can be manufactured and how much we (as a country) are willing to pay per dose. These companies are in the business of making money for their shareholders, not serving the public good. I presume the agreed terms will be much more favourable for the vaccines where we've already invested towards development (e.g. the Oxford and Imperial vaccines), so I can see sense in looking towards those alternatives for the majority of doses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 12:00:01 GMT
Might do, in a few years time maybe, in autumn, no point having it in spring. I see NHS staff will be offered it first, I'll be watching to see whether there will be high take-up from doctors (enough have already commented to know it won't be 100%). As far as I'm concerned, any doctor or healthcare worker who refuses to get it should be banned from working in a clinical setting. That is a ridiculous unnecessary risk as well as a terrible example. I too will negatively judge anyone who doesn't get it unless they have a proven medical reason for not doing so (and I don't mean a self-certified one like the mask exemptions). I can understand them not routinely vaccinating younger people (aside from the vulnerable) immediately given there won't be infinite doses of the vaccine immediately available, but the goal should still be to require everyone to get it. I'm not expecting my turn to be before 2022, but will get it the minute it is offered to me.
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 12, 2020 12:12:48 GMT
Might do, in a few years time maybe, in autumn, no point having it in spring. I see NHS staff will be offered it first, I'll be watching to see whether there will be high take-up from doctors (enough have already commented to know it won't be 100%). As far as I'm concerned, any doctor or healthcare worker who refuses to get it should be banned from working in a clinical setting. That is a ridiculous unnecessary risk as well as a terrible example. I too will negatively judge anyone who doesn't get it unless they have a proven medical reason for not doing so (and I don't mean a self-certified one like the mask exemptions). I can understand them not routinely vaccinating younger people (aside from the vulnerable) immediately given there won't be infinite doses of the vaccine immediately available, but the goal should still be to require everyone to get it. I'm not expecting my turn to be before 2022, but will get it the minute it is offered to me. It's the same reason I didn't get laser eye surgery because it was suggested to me by my optician - he wears glasses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 12:23:31 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, any doctor or healthcare worker who refuses to get it should be banned from working in a clinical setting. That is a ridiculous unnecessary risk as well as a terrible example. I too will negatively judge anyone who doesn't get it unless they have a proven medical reason for not doing so (and I don't mean a self-certified one like the mask exemptions). I can understand them not routinely vaccinating younger people (aside from the vulnerable) immediately given there won't be infinite doses of the vaccine immediately available, but the goal should still be to require everyone to get it. I'm not expecting my turn to be before 2022, but will get it the minute it is offered to me. It's the same reason I didn't get laser eye surgery because it was suggested to me by my optician - he wears glasses. There's a colossal difference between something that would only benefit you and something that could save the lives of many others, not just you...so no, they aren't comparable.
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