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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 4, 2020 11:12:11 GMT
I'm not entirely sure why you think my post backs up what you've been saying in this thread, but to be completely clear I find your attitude towards the pandemic and comments on the disabled appalling. I didn't say anything about it backing up my post, I was simply agreeing with your own post. And to clarify, I've made absolutely no comments on the "disabled" (less able, perhaps?), so wind your neck in. And to clarify, I've made absolutely no comments on the "disabled Pure Trumpism. Unbelievable |
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Post by ceebee on Dec 4, 2020 11:16:42 GMT
Well, unless you include these things that you said: "The rest of us have got a right to live our lives. We've spent the best part of a year sacrificing pretty much everything. Like it or not, maybe it is time for those who need to shield to actually shield, and for those who don't to carry on with life. In your own words, "I have a bloody right not to shield" just because you have a lung condition. Perhaps that is your own health issue to manage - why should everybody else face restricted movements just to accommodate the few with issues? That's ridiculous and a "race to the bottom". Harsh though it sounds, we need to get the hell back on with living and stop pandering to the minority who can (and should) shield." (When told that your comments suggest a negative attitude towards the vulnerable/disabled) "Perhaps. I place more value on free movement for the majority rather restricted movement for all, just so "we're all in it together"." "We need to all get the shows back on the road for the majority, not shut them all down to appease the minority." You know full well the implications of what you're saying, particularly your comments on "survival of the fittest" and your likening of protecting those who are more vulnerable to "pandering to the minority", so maybe you should just own what you say and the implications of it, rather than attempting to hide behind pedantry. Your attempts to justify your point are tenuous and weak. No references to what you term "disabilities" at all. Suggest you leave it there, as your deliberate misinterpretations and attempts to slur my character could land you in legal hot water. |
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Post by ceebee on Dec 4, 2020 11:22:46 GMT
I didn't say anything about it backing up my post, I was simply agreeing with your own post. And to clarify, I've made absolutely no comments on the "disabled" (less able, perhaps?), so wind your neck in. And to clarify, I've made absolutely no comments on the "disabled Pure Trumpism. Unbelievable So dig out any quotes referencing disabilities and prove me wrong. You can't, because they don't exist, except in your head perhaps. There is an unmodified/unedited thread to trawl through. Zero references to what some of you loosely define as "disabled". You might not like my view on the virus, but that is no excuse for libel. Be careful with your posts and be prepared to back up your insinuations with hard facts rather than the whining going on inside your mind. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 4, 2020 13:09:11 GMT
In your contreversial post you referenced people who need to shield. Do you not think this may include people who are disabled?
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Post by ceebee on Dec 4, 2020 13:54:00 GMT
In your contreversial post you referenced people who need to shield. Do you not think this may include people who are disabled? People who need to shield can be the elderly (e.g. my own parents), people with chronic conditions (e.g. lupus), those susceptible to respiratory illnesses (e.g. me). The generalisations about disabled people are conclusions drawn by others based on their own mindsets rather than anything I have said. |
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Post by lynette on Dec 4, 2020 19:15:50 GMT
Just a reminder that we are basically a theatre interest group, yes, diverse and with many different individual opinions. The chat threads have become very important this year. However, bear in mind that we are supporting eachother because of our shared love of all things theatre.
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Post by Dawnstar on Dec 4, 2020 21:08:12 GMT
Where does that leave those of us who cannot currently go to the theatre & are unlikely to be able to do so until widespread vaccination has taken place? If contributions to this board should be based on theatre interest then I won't be able to contribute anything meaningful for some time.
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Post by theatreian on Dec 4, 2020 23:29:49 GMT
Where does that leave those of us who cannot currently go to the theatre & are unlikely to be able to do so until widespread vaccination has taken place? If contributions to this board should be based on theatre interest then I won't be able to contribute anything meaningful for some time. I may be wrong but what I think Lynette was getting at is that although this is a discussion thread, we should be a little more supportive of others views. WE are on this thread due to our love of theatre and performing arts in general, hopefully this should mean we are supportive of each other and do not say things which would upset or deliberately antagonise others. I will not be going to the theatre either for some time. Partly due to being in Tier 3 admittedly! At this special time of year , this year above all others lets think what we say before we say it. Be kind to each other is no bad mantra to have . |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 6, 2020 17:16:30 GMT
People really haven't learnt have they?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 17:57:11 GMT
And every single one of them is thinking "Look at all these idiots. They should have gone home when they saw how crowded it is."
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Post by edi on Dec 6, 2020 18:32:52 GMT
I was around Harrods when it happened and it was a large group of young people who caused it not random people. The police was called and they were trying to sort it out, but it was actually an organised get together.
However it just shows that we can have all the conversation and opinions, pros and cons, there are lots of people who had enough of this whole thing and will get on with their lives. I am not saying whether it's right or wrong because there are lots of conflicting aspects (protect the vulnerable, protect mental health, protect the economy....). All I am saying is that reality is that lots of people will go about their life, to theatre, to restaurants, pubs, shopping, etc... do everything that is permitted by law because the other option is to stay in their London / inner city flats and be depressed.
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Post by Mark on Dec 6, 2020 19:59:04 GMT
Covent Garden was busy today with the street performers.
Social distancing? Whatâs that?
Canât say I blame people. London in general felt busy. âOver itâ as they say.
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Post by fiyero on Dec 6, 2020 20:10:08 GMT
I went to south bank yesterday for London eye and other county hall attractions. They all felt really safe, as did dinner. The only busy bits outdoor bars. Does that get around the substantial meal requirement?
It needs to stop being a battle of pubs v football v theatre v shopping.
From the Twitter post the Oxford street one looks exaggerated by use of a long lens and as has been mentioned those arenât Harrods shoppers outside harrods!
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Post by lynette on Dec 6, 2020 20:19:54 GMT
Covent Garden was busy today with the street performers. Social distancing? Whatâs that? Canât say I blame people. London in general felt busy. âOver itâ as they say. I wish it were. Seeing the photos from today, long lens allowing, just makes me feel less inclined to go to the shops or visit attractions. I do not begrudge the âyoungâ but anecdotal evidence from my age range isn't very jolly, not yet. |
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Post by Mark on Dec 6, 2020 22:06:55 GMT
I can confirm, Oxford Street and the shops were packed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 22:27:55 GMT
In contrast, Westfield Stratford was much quieter than a usual December Sunday today. Not empty by any means, but actually much more pleasant than usual. The food outlets were busier than the shops!
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Post by dontdreamit on Dec 6, 2020 22:51:36 GMT
In contrast, Westfield Stratford was much quieter than a usual December Sunday today. Not empty by any means, but actually much more pleasant than usual. The food outlets were busier than the shops! It was conversely very busy yesterday with queues to get into some shops (I was walking through, rather than shopping yesterday and couldnât believe the queues...) |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 7, 2020 6:36:36 GMT
I was on Oxford St yesterday lunch time and it was fine. Not packed at all. After lunch was Tottenham Court Rd and that even quieter.
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Post by ceebee on Dec 7, 2020 8:45:41 GMT
I have three theatre trips scheduled this week and am glad to see people back out and about. Undoubtedly the government and their advisors will intervene as they have done previously if they decide things are getting out of hand. In the meantime, it's worth everybody (who can) embracing another step back towards something closer to normality.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 9:18:29 GMT
In contrast, Westfield Stratford was much quieter than a usual December Sunday today. Not empty by any means, but actually much more pleasant than usual. The food outlets were busier than the shops! It was conversely very busy yesterday with queues to get into some shops (I was walking through, rather than shopping yesterday and couldnât believe the queues...) The queues are a bit misleading though, because shops are limiting capacity in a way they never did before. There were a few queues yesterday but as someone who uses that shopping centre frequently, I wouldnt say it was the busiest I've seen it by a long way. That said, I didn't go upstairs so don't know how long the TK Maxx and Primark queues were. |
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 7, 2020 9:51:08 GMT
Dec 6, 2020 22:06:55 GMT Mark said: I can confirm, Oxford Street and the shops were packed.
Dec 7, 2020 6:36:36 GMT Someone in a tree said:
I was on Oxford St yesterday lunch time and it was fine. Not packed at all. After lunch was Tottenham Court Rd and that even quieter.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 8, 2020 15:11:37 GMT
I found that when friends who had been in completely deserted areas started visiting me here on the coast when lockdown was eased in the summer - they'd be gasping 'it's so busy!' and I'd be like 'oh it's normal'.
The seafront promenade never became completely deserted during lockdown - everyone did their exercise there, and the pavement is wide enough to keep your distance. I was just used to seeing people all the time and they were not.
Saying that, it was busier than ever in the last lockdown - everyone having got the message that outside was good, and wanting to catch the last of the autumn sunshine before winter properly kicked in.
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 9, 2020 17:09:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 18:55:51 GMT
I despair. I can't see how Tier 3 will make any more difference than Tier 2 to the spread, as it doesn't address the main problem, which is the people who don't care and are just meeting up in private gatherings and in public anyway. They are all still going to go Christmas shopping whether London is Tier 2 or Tier 3! Why should I and many others who are complying with social distancing and mask wearing be left even more miserable when the real culprits aren't being dealt with at all? A change of tactic is needed - I don't know what the solution is, but the tier system does not seem to be working at all. I will be fuming if I can't get to West End Musical Christmas, I've had enough cancelled by ineffective tier rules already! |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 9, 2020 19:14:36 GMT
I despair. I can't see how Tier 3 will make any more difference than Tier 2 to the spread, as it doesn't address the main problem, which is the people who don't care and are just meeting up in private gatherings and in public anyway. They are all still going to go Christmas shopping whether London is Tier 2 or Tier 3! Why should I and many others who are complying with social distancing and mask wearing be left even more miserable when the real culprits aren't being dealt with at all? A change of tactic is needed - I don't know what the solution is, but the tier system does not seem to be working at all. I will be fuming if I can't get to West End Musical Christmas, I've had enough cancelled by ineffective tier rules already! Also why bother forcing venues to go to great expense to make them Covid safe if they then have to close anyway, leading to further financial devastation? |
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