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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 25, 2020 10:53:15 GMT
Also, not for profit. Is globally or just the UK?
Hopefully its not going to be used as a pawn in the Brexit negotiations
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Post by theatreian on Nov 25, 2020 11:19:11 GMT
Just in case anyone was wondering about Father Christmas!
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 26, 2020 10:24:40 GMT
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Post by FrontrowverPaul on Nov 26, 2020 16:30:21 GMT
So I live in Kent, now in Tier 3. I have 6 shows booked in Tier 2 London in December, all great and not inexpensive seats, and all likely to go ahead.
With apologies to The Clash " Should I Stay (home) or Should I Go ? "
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Post by CG on the loose on Nov 26, 2020 17:01:57 GMT
So I live in Kent, now in Tier 3. I have 6 shows booked in Tier 2 London in December, all great and not inexpensive seats, and all likely to go ahead. With apologies to The Clash " Should I Stay (home) or Should I Go ? " I'm in a similar situation elsewhere in the UK - with case load in my local area lower than all but one of the London borough and rates falling rapidly right across the county, Tier 3 feels extreme to put it mildly. Suspect I have many serious conversations with myself ahead. |
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2020 17:15:16 GMT
Moving to new house next week (tier 3 to tier 2, less than 5 mins drive!). In your cases - I’d be 1000% going. It’s not illegal, just strongly advised against.
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Post by clair on Nov 26, 2020 17:17:07 GMT
Depending on what dates in December is it worth holding on and seeing whether tiers change in two weeks time? Either London going up or where you are coming down could solve the problem for you
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 26, 2020 17:40:12 GMT
To be honest it's precisely because of there being no way to enforce keeping Tier 3 people away that I probably won't end up going to a lot of the shows I've booked.
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Post by ceebee on Nov 26, 2020 17:58:26 GMT
So I live in Kent, now in Tier 3. I have 6 shows booked in Tier 2 London in December, all great and not inexpensive seats, and all likely to go ahead. With apologies to The Clash " Should I Stay (home) or Should I Go ? " Go. I will be doing. Kent's numbers are mega-low except Medway (which up until now was its own boss). The government has lost the plot on this matter. |
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Post by ceebee on Nov 26, 2020 18:01:55 GMT
Moving to new house next week (tier 3 to tier 2, less than 5 mins drive!). In your cases - I’d be 1000% going. It’s not illegal, just strongly advised against. Well said. The only way to beat this nonsense is to get on with living your life. Those with a problem or fearful should stay at home and shield. The government has gone mad. I will go to all of my theatre trips and gladly pay the fine if necessary. This country is turning into a fascist state. Stand up for what is right people. |
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 26, 2020 18:21:14 GMT
The selfishness of people wanting to travel from tier 3 just to see a show boggles the mind. It's behaviour like that which will ensure a third lockdown in January. Ironically of course if they respected the rules the rules might soften quicker than if they keep on breaking them!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 18:35:20 GMT
The selfishness of people wanting to travel from tier 3 just to see a show boggles the mind. It's behaviour like that which will ensure a third lockdown in January. Ironically of course if they respected the rules the rules might soften quicker than if they keep on breaking them! People travelling in a socially distanced manner to a strictly socially distanced event with all necessary precautions taken is not going to be responsible for a third lockdown in January. That will be all the people who break the rules on meeting up over Christmas. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have felt safer in theatres since March than I have pretty much anywhere else. Same with restaurants. If you don't want to take the risk, then don't go, but it's less of a risk than most people face going out to work. |
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2020 18:43:29 GMT
The selfishness of people wanting to travel from tier 3 just to see a show boggles the mind. It's behaviour like that which will ensure a third lockdown in January. Ironically of course if they respected the rules the rules might soften quicker than if they keep on breaking them! Selfish? These people have lives they want to live. Not their fault the government is incompetent. Live your lives. Be Free. End all this absolute nonsense. (Yes I know some will find my opinion controversial. And to those people I say I DO NOT CARE) |
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 26, 2020 18:46:04 GMT
The selfishness of people wanting to travel from tier 3 just to see a show boggles the mind. It's behaviour like that which will ensure a third lockdown in January. Ironically of course if they respected the rules the rules might soften quicker than if they keep on breaking them! Selfish? These people have lives they want to live. Not their fault the government is incompetent. Live your lives. Be Free. End all this absolute nonsense. (Yes I know some will find my opinion controversial. And to those people I say I DO NOT CARE) Yes selfish. With a capital S. It isn't about their lives, it's about the lives of everybody they could infect on the way down. We're a few months from a vaccine and people choose now to gather in winter? |
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2020 19:10:28 GMT
Selfish? These people have lives they want to live. Not their fault the government is incompetent. Live your lives. Be Free. End all this absolute nonsense. (Yes I know some will find my opinion controversial. And to those people I say I DO NOT CARE) Yes selfish. With a capital S. It isn't about their lives, it's about the lives of everybody they could infect on the way down. We're a few months from a vaccine and people choose now to gather in winter? Maybe the people worried about getting infected should stay at home a few months then. This is theatre, the arts, and the livliehoods of all those involved you are seemingly deeming unimportant. It's not illegal. "Free Country" as they say. |
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Post by vickyg on Nov 26, 2020 21:08:53 GMT
[quote author="@posterj" I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have felt safer in theatres since March than I have pretty much anywhere else. Same with restaurants. If you don't want to take the risk, then don't go, but it's less of a risk than most people face going out to work.[/quote]
You can feel as safe as you like but restaurants have been the second highest venue for transmission behind people’s homes. There’s also no difference between breaking the rules for Christmas or doing it earlier in December and there’s no reason to feel superior about traveling between tier 3 and 2 areas compared with seeing an extra person on 24th December. You’re still behaving as though you are more important, or have better judgement, than those who are sticking to the rules and imposing this on others who are adhering to the guidance.
To my mind if track and trace establishes that someone had travelled between tiers and transmitted the virus to someone in a lower tier who then requires hospitalisation that should be a criminal matter.
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Post by ceebee on Nov 26, 2020 21:33:21 GMT
The selfishness of people wanting to travel from tier 3 just to see a show boggles the mind. It's behaviour like that which will ensure a third lockdown in January. Ironically of course if they respected the rules the rules might soften quicker than if they keep on breaking them! Don't be so naive. Look at the numbers for Kent before commenting. Most areas are 100 per 100,000 lower than London yet London is tier 2. Lockdown is a farce, corona is a farce. More folk will die of flu this winter with or without tiers, lockdowns or any other manner of social control experiments from this risible government. |
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Post by ceebee on Nov 26, 2020 21:36:27 GMT
Selfish? These people have lives they want to live. Not their fault the government is incompetent. Live your lives. Be Free. End all this absolute nonsense. (Yes I know some will find my opinion controversial. And to those people I say I DO NOT CARE) Yes selfish. With a capital S. It isn't about their lives, it's about the lives of everybody they could infect on the way down. We're a few months from a vaccine and people choose now to gather in winter? Its time for role reversal. Those willing to live their lives with increased risk, crack on with it. Those who are unwilling, live your lives in lockdown. This social experiment is nonsense and must stop. Time people stood up against this anti-arts philistine government and stick two fingers up to unenforceable rules. |
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2020 22:00:48 GMT
Yes selfish. With a capital S. It isn't about their lives, it's about the lives of everybody they could infect on the way down. We're a few months from a vaccine and people choose now to gather in winter? Its time for role reversal. Those willing to live their lives with increased risk, crack on with it. Those who are unwilling, live your lives in lockdown. This social experiment is nonsense and must stop. Time people stood up against this anti-arts philistine government and stick two fingers up to unenforceable rules. Amen! |
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Post by CG on the loose on Nov 26, 2020 22:46:34 GMT
Selfish? These people have lives they want to live. Not their fault the government is incompetent. Live your lives. Be Free. End all this absolute nonsense. (Yes I know some will find my opinion controversial. And to those people I say I DO NOT CARE) Yes selfish. With a capital S. It isn't about their lives, it's about the lives of everybody they could infect on the way down. We're a few months from a vaccine and people choose now to gather in winter? I live alone. I work from home. No-one has been in my house since February. I haven't been to a shop, a pub, a restaurant, a friend's house or anywhere else in my area for months. The rate per 100K in my local area is lower than all but one borough of Tier 2 London. But we're in Tier 3. When I go to a show - which I did a handful of times in the weeks before the second lockdown - I don't travel by transport, I wear a mask, I observe social distancing and good hand hygiene and I drive back home again. I do not put anyone else's life at risk. But the difference that hour or two of joy makes to my mental state may very well save mine. If that's selfish, so be it. |
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Post by theatreian on Nov 26, 2020 23:28:53 GMT
I can see why the Tiers seem to have caused a problem, but I guess they can't put every individual council into different tiers as with the constant review it would be too much of a task to do every 2 weeks. There are always going to be anomalies with this sort of system but we will just have to see how it goes I guess. I am in Tier 3 as expected and am not best pleased I can't go for a coffee and mince pie!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 0:19:18 GMT
Yes selfish. With a capital S. It isn't about their lives, it's about the lives of everybody they could infect on the way down. We're a few months from a vaccine and people choose now to gather in winter? I live alone. I work from home. No-one has been in my house since February. I haven't been to a shop, a pub, a restaurant, a friend's house or anywhere else in my area for months. The rate per 100K in my local area is lower than all but one borough of Tier 2 London. But we're in Tier 3. When I go to a show - which I did a handful of times in the weeks before the second lockdown - I don't travel by transport, I wear a mask, I observe social distancing and good hand hygiene and I drive back home again. I do not put anyone else's life at risk. But the difference that hour or two of joy makes to my mental state may very well save mine. If that's selfish, so be it. Yes, exactly this, and especially the penultimate sentence, which is still being ignored by many people on here in favour of the virus being the only problem worth dealing with. It isn't. And I'm in Tier 2 so me travelling to the theatre isn't banned, I just absolutely will not judge anyone who lives in Tier 3 and travels in provided they take all the necessary precautions as you do. If you're doing that, there is no need for paranoia or preaching from those who are too scared to do the same. Each to their own provided you are not putting anyone at risk (which if you're being cautious and not seeing anyone else, you won't be). |
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Post by drowseychap on Nov 27, 2020 1:36:13 GMT
I’ve worked all through the pandemic in the NHS my mental health has suffered as the one beacon of light for me is live theatre and music 🎶 I’m exhausted at the end of every shift
I’m allowed to travel through tiers to see patients travel between hospital units etc ....... I’m technically in a tier 3 area even though where I live is on the outskirts with very low numbers !!
Yet I can’t drive to London in my own car. Socially distance wear a mask ... and I get tested twice a week now as part of nhs roll out .... and have a couple of hours of enjoyment at the theatre ðŸŽðŸ˜¥
One of the largest areas of transmissions is supermarkets ! Where no one socially distances !
I visited the troubadour in the summer and felt so safe
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Post by kathryn on Nov 27, 2020 9:46:46 GMT
The selfishness of people wanting to travel from tier 3 just to see a show boggles the mind. It's behaviour like that which will ensure a third lockdown in January. Ironically of course if they respected the rules the rules might soften quicker than if they keep on breaking them! Don't be so naive. Look at the numbers for Kent before commenting. Most areas are 100 per 100,000 lower than London yet London is tier 2. Lockdown is a farce, corona is a farce. More folk will die of flu this winter with or without tiers, lockdowns or any other manner of social control experiments from this risible government. Tiers are not just based on cases, they're based on cases vs NHS capacity in the area. To put it bluntly, London has more hospitals than Kent. It takes fewer cases to overwhelm the hospitals - and the calculus is, one the hospitals are overwhelmed and have to close to non-Covid-19 patients, people with other conditions are more likely to die. More people will die of Flu because the hospitals cannot cope with a surge in Coronavirus. More people will also die of cancer, and heart attacks, and strokes, and every other health condition going. No-one is doing any of this for fun, or because they have a sudden urge to carry out 'social control experiments'. (FFS, Boris's instincts are all libertarian, which is why he has dithered so consistently about bringing in new measures!) We're in this state precisely because we didn't put in control measures soon enough, and they were too loose when they came in. If we'd adopted a ruthless elimination approach like New Zealand did we'd be back to normal already. |
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Post by maggiem on Nov 27, 2020 12:46:16 GMT
Since mid-September, I have come out of my house an 7:15 am Mon - Fri and used 2 buses to commute to work, wearing a face mask (easier in the bad weather). I have worn a face shield all day at work in my front-facing customer service role, maintained 2 metre social distancing, washed/sanitised my hands regularly, then done my commute home as above. At the weekends I have only seen my brother (social bubble), and visited the supermarket for groceries (if I couldn't get them online). I haven't gone outside my home town except for work purposes.
Theatre and cinema have been a great way to help me de-stress by getting away from it all, and the few weeks at the and of lockdown 1 going to Cineworld were good for my mood and general sense of wellbeing. I have avoided going to other towns due to high infection rates, and even cancelled a proposed 2 night stay in Blackpool for the Illuminations in October.
I've been thinking about all this a lot over the past few days, and come to the following conclusion.
For one day in December, between the student travel window, and the Christmas allowed "bubbling", I'm putting my needs first. If there is no actual law to stop me getting a train to London and back, I'm going. I know this won't be popular, but it's the first thing approaching a break I've had since August.
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