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Post by NeilVHughes on Jun 25, 2020 20:00:09 GMT
The difference is the situation, most protestors were there to protest and dispersed naturally and photos did show a significant proportion had face coverings.
The ones at the beach and beauty spots would use the opportunity to shop, buy ice cream, food and the other things we do on a day out at the beach and there was very little evidence of face coverings.
Early days at the moment, the only thing the data shows us is that we have stabilised at a higher level on all metrics (daily Gov figures) and especially infected people than most EU Countries when they eased their lockdown and they are experiencing a rise in cases and even more true in the US which is most probably closer to our behaviour.
Early days but I think we can all agree that lockdown is more or less over and now it is only time that will reveal the outcome especially as more indoor services open up.
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Post by n1david on Jun 25, 2020 20:19:49 GMT
Thatâs the plan. But itâs all guidelines, not the law. How pubs will react when ten beered-up lads show up claiming theyâre all from two households remains to be seen. Thatâs why I think a Saturday night start is unfortunate. I hope Iâm wrong in my foreboding but weâll see. I expect most people will be sensible, although the tiny minority who aren't will make the headlines. Most of the pubs where I am, and most of the pubs I frequent elsewhere, were pretty quiet before all this started anyway. Nearly everyone sat at tables, and though there might be three or four stools at the bar there were never crowds. The pubs where I live in Islington, and those in Central London, are usually Standing Room Only on Saturday nights. Itâs the groups heading into Central London and looking for a Saturday âbig night outâ that Iâm worried about, not local pubs that people donât travel to (btw I donât know where you live so I may have mischaracterised it) |
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Post by zahidf on Jun 25, 2020 20:40:07 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jun 26, 2020 13:41:15 GMT
BurlyBeaR and family spotted on holiday in France.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 26, 2020 14:53:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 15:22:03 GMT
BurlyBeaR and family spotted on holiday in France. Do Furries have to wear masks or is the headwear considered sufficient? |
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 26, 2020 16:28:39 GMT
149 deaths reported yesterday with 1118 positive tests (135 last Thursday, 1218 positive tests), 186 deaths reported today with 1006 positive tests (173 last Friday, 1346 positive tests)
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Post by xanady on Jun 26, 2020 16:52:43 GMT
^Truly,truly awful UK numbers day after day after day......đ
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 17:30:40 GMT
Funny how people only report the death toll when it's an increase over the day before, isn't it?
Days in June when the death toll averaged over the preceding week was lower than the day before:
3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 22nd 23rd 24th
Days when it was higher:
1st 2nd 21st 25th
Days when the number of new cases averaged over the preceding week was lower than the day before:
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 10th 11th 12th 13th 15th 16th 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd 23rd 24th 25th
Days when it was higher:
9th 14th 17th
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Post by sf on Jun 26, 2020 17:33:12 GMT
Funny how people only report the death toll when it's an increase over the day before, isn't it? Days in June when the death toll averaged over the preceding week was lower than the day before: 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 22nd 23rd 24th Days when it was higher: 1st 2nd 21st 25th Days when the number of new cases averaged over the preceding week was lower than the day before: 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 10th 11th 12th 13th 15th 16th 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd 23rd 24th 25th Days when it was higher: 9th 14th 17th Days when both numbers were far higher than they needed to be: All of them. |
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 26, 2020 17:45:42 GMT
Funny how people only report the death toll when it's an increase over the day before, isn't it? Days in June when the death toll averaged over the preceding week was lower than the day before: 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 22nd 23rd 24th Days when it was higher: 1st 2nd 21st 25th Days when the number of new cases averaged over the preceding week was lower than the day before: 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 10th 11th 12th 13th 15th 16th 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd 23rd 24th 25th Days when it was higher: 9th 14th 17th Fair enough. Wasnât doing it as some kind of âgotcha!â thing, I was just posting them because the reported deaths have been higher than the same day last week 2 days in a row, with positive cases seeming to be dropping. Though the government still aren't releasing the figures for the number of people *actually* tested as opposed to the number of tests available. We should be expecting/hoping the numbers will be falling so I guess when they don't, I think it's important to note. As an example, Professor Karol Sikora with 299k followers tends to tweet the figures every day with comparisons to the same day on previous weeks. Today, even though the figure was higher, he passed it off as being lower by stopping at 373 from a previous Friday. He may do this with all tweets when the figures *are* actually lower, but when they're not, it should be said not turned a blind eye to. So whilst this doesnât mean â2nd wave as of tomorrow!!â, it's still worth acknowledging. That's all! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 18:08:07 GMT
We should be expecting/hoping the numbers will be falling so I guess when they don't, I think it's important to note. I think we're getting to the stage where random fluctuations are expected. The general trend downwards is slowing because that's what always happens while the actual number of deaths is based on infection rates a few weeks ago when there was less stability. If it carries on rising for a week or so then it'll probably be bad news and the lockdown will need to tighten up again but I think it's too early to call at the moment. Interesting to look back at the start of this thread to see the Express saying we'll be back to normal by July. There's still four days left, but I think the Express may have been not entirely accurate in its prediction. |
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Post by kathryn on Jun 26, 2020 19:38:12 GMT
Things you can rely on: death, taxes, Express predictions being wrong.
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Post by basdfg on Jun 26, 2020 20:27:49 GMT
I think it's telling two industries, the arts and Universities seen as anti tory are being shafted - the new plans for uni's will shrink them a lot.
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Post by djp on Jun 26, 2020 21:31:54 GMT
^Truly,truly awful UK numbers day after day after day......đ There's no international comparison possible when cases reported reflect numbers tested, and more testing reveals means more asymptomatic cases detected . Our own figures can't be compared with our own past figures, let alone overseas ones. And the figures from Russia , Iran, Turkey, China, Iraq, Syria, South America , Africa and the US are either nonsense because the real ones are hidden, or the system there doesn't record them. Trump indeed wants to end the emergency by not testing for i so he doesn't find it.
Death figures include those dying after spending weeks, or months in hospital. they don't just reflect current infection rates. There's a lot of people in intensive care who won't make it - even if the survival odds are getting better
Infection rates are coming down reportedly by about 15-30% a week. It doesn't happen faster because one superspreading event can push the numbers up disproportionately, because there's always been a percentage of stupid people who ignore distancing a, and isolating, and crowd onto beaches or London demos, and a large percentage of cases don't isolate because they have no symptoms and don't know they have it. You can't test all 65 million people often enough to weed them all out before they infect someone else, so it goes on , coming down slowly.
Ironically the countries which did report nil cases or very very low ones are the ones now being hit by new outbreaks - Germany, israel Australia and S Korea ...
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Post by djp on Jun 26, 2020 21:47:28 GMT
Funny how people only report the death toll when it's an increase over the day before, isn't it? Days in June when the death toll averaged over the preceding week was lower than the day before: 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 22nd 23rd 24th Days when it was higher: 1st 2nd 21st 25th Days when the number of new cases averaged over the preceding week was lower than the day before: 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 10th 11th 12th 13th 15th 16th 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd 23rd 24th 25th Days when it was higher: 9th 14th 17th Fair enough. Wasnât doing it as some kind of âgotcha!â thing, I was just posting them because the reported deaths have been higher than the same day last week 2 days in a row, with positive cases seeming to be dropping. Though the government still aren't releasing the figures for the number of people *actually* tested as opposed to the number of tests available. We should be expecting/hoping the numbers will be falling so I guess when they don't, I think it's important to note. As an example, Professor Karol Sikora with 299k followers tends to tweet the figures every day with comparisons to the same day on previous weeks. Today, even though the figure was higher, he passed it off as being lower by stopping at 373 from a previous Friday. He may do this with all tweets when the figures *are* actually lower, but when they're not, it should be said not turned a blind eye to. So whilst this doesnât mean â2nd wave as of tomorrow!!â, it's still worth acknowledging. That's all! Deaths happen on a delayed time scale. The initial stages of infection and the bodys defensive response takeabout a week to either resolve, or move to a second stage where multiple systems come under attack, and the body's defences worsen the problems. That produces a crisis often in the second week where intensive care and ventilators may be needed. People then either slowly recover, or more keeps failing and they die , over days weeks, or months . At some stage the doctors may believe the damage caused is non recoverable, so machines get switched off . Treatment now seems more effective, and fewer people are dying very early from heart attacks or unnoticed terribly low oxygen sats. So more people may be kept going longer before they either recover or die. Bottom line you won't detect any main impact of loosening lock down in mid June in death rates until some time in July. |
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Post by djp on Jun 26, 2020 22:15:34 GMT
I think it's telling two industries, the arts and Universities seen as anti tory are being shafted - the new plans for uni's will shrink them a lot. Theatres are being shafted because the virus thrives in enclosed spaces with poor air conditioning,narrow access, and dingy smelly toilets, and when people sit in close proximity for more than 15 minutes. They also rely on seat occupancy rates that exclude adequate distancing and involve activities that lead to people expelling air and viral particles under pressure, and casts living and working in cramped conditions and close proximity.
Faced with this government faces a difficult choice to pay people in one industry to do nothing for however long it takes or not. The real world political problem is if theatres and self employed actors and musicians get subsidised, what about the millions, or tns of millions, of others who have no job or are earning less money from it? Its not that its a bad idea, its drawing the line somewhere =because no government can keep on paying out vast amounts into 2021 or beyond.
That means the Culture minister has a fight with the treasury . that's not yet resolved. There's a second fight on to secure the funding for key national theatres and regional theatre . Part of the answer there may be to divert arts council money from London theatres who are now producing nothing with it , to support theatres that otherwise would be able to pay their way normally. That's an inevitable debate anyway given the leveling up priority - you can't continue to spend obscene amounts of money on London Opera , or subsidised Islington theatres, when Birmingham and Plymouth face having no theatre at all.
Universities have produced their own worst case short term future. They relied on inflated numbers of incapable students, massive grade inflation and massive increases in lucrative overseas students, while shifting the balance from teaching, marking, and in depth study, to research , light marking shallow modules, and high pay for the people running them, Its no wonder the students have noticed their degrees are now being taught at an even lower standard, and may opt out , and the overseas students, who were brought in to pay the bills, have now vanished . Not much governments can do about too few people wanting to turn up.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 27, 2020 9:17:10 GMT
I think it's telling two industries, the arts and Universities seen as anti tory are being shafted - the new plans for uni's will shrink them a lot. Theatres are being shafted because the virus thrives in enclosed spaces with poor air conditioning,narrow access, and dingy smelly toilets, and when people sit in close proximity for more than 15 minutes.
Surely exactly the same criteria applies to cinemas, but they are reopening? |
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Post by xanady on Jun 27, 2020 10:17:09 GMT
Back in April,The Times newspaper lamented the âwasted 38 daysâ when the govt could/should have acted.
An estimated 25,000 estimated deaths resulted which could have been saved.
Cummings rule-breaking is now imprinted on the psyche of the UK public and has been instrumental in triggering lockdown rule-breaking.As I write this post #notmovingonuntildomisgone is incredibly STILL trending on Twitter!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 10:30:47 GMT
Theatres are being shafted because the virus thrives in enclosed spaces with poor air conditioning,narrow access, and dingy smelly toilets, and when people sit in close proximity for more than 15 minutes.
Surely exactly the same criteria applies to cinemas, but they are reopening? Cinemas can make a profit with a comparatively small occupancy. If the break-even point of a typical cinema was 60% they wouldn't be opening either. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 11:11:34 GMT
I think it's telling two industries, the arts and Universities seen as anti tory are being shafted - the new plans for uni's will shrink them a lot. They are picking fights with selected areas to distract from their utter failure. Lockdown too late and too weak, so that we never came close, in England, to low enough levels of transmission mean that they need a scapegoat. Who usually gets attacked? Not pubs or shops, itâs âluvviesâ and teachers. In education they have now moved the goalposts to drop any meaningful protection in trying to provoke a battle, the pathetic five point plan for the arts is the same. They want a war as a distraction and their targets are carefully chosen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 11:17:26 GMT
On universities, it was demands from government that led to large increases in overseas students. Now that they may not return the attitude is pretty much âwell, itâs your problem nowâ. Government (various ones going back years) yet again washing its hands of its own failure and blaming others for it instead.
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Post by sf on Jun 27, 2020 11:30:20 GMT
I think it's telling two industries, the arts and Universities seen as anti tory are being shafted - the new plans for uni's will shrink them a lot. They are picking fights with selected areas to distract from their utter failure. Lockdown too late and too weak, so that we never came close, in England, to low enough levels of transmission mean that they need a scapegoat. Who usually gets attacked? Not pubs or shops, itâs âluvviesâ and teachers. In education they have now moved the goalposts to drop any meaningful protection in trying to provoke a battle, the pathetic five point plan for the arts is the same. They want a war as a distraction and their targets are carefully chosen. And they're counting on people being gullible enough to fall for it, and a lot of people are. |
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Post by sf on Jun 27, 2020 11:47:20 GMT
And again. Of course it's not the only thing people should be doing, but it's very important:
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Post by basdfg on Jun 27, 2020 12:30:14 GMT
I can't understand why bank branches are not back to usual opening hours - plenty of working people like my dad do not understand or wish to do online or telephone banking. Shops have mostly managed to have returned to normal hours and nearly all accept cash ( The cashier in Next said they had returned to accepting cash due to many people getting to the till, not having a card on them, and then leaving without the goods in the week between re opening and u turning.
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