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Post by southstreet on Jun 23, 2020 10:31:52 GMT
Plus the fact that the majority of people at the protests have been wearing masks!
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Post by xanady on Jun 23, 2020 14:07:12 GMT
^41 deaths were attributed to the Liverpool match
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Post by sf on Jun 23, 2020 15:08:23 GMT
This is long, but as restrictions (perhaps prematurely) begin to loosen, it's well worth a few minutes of your time:
Be very, very careful out there.
And wear a mask.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 16:50:24 GMT
This is long, but as restrictions (perhaps prematurely) begin to loosen, it's well worth a few minutes of your time:
Be very, very careful out there.
And wear a mask.
Be careful, not be paranoid. "the major culprit is close-up, person-to-person interactions for extended periods." I doubt any of us have many of those type of interactions at present and won't in a socially-distanced restaurant or shop either, so this needs to be seen in perspective, like everything else. And in confined spaces like public transport if you don't wear a mask (save for medical exemptions), then more fool you. |
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Post by xanady on Jun 23, 2020 17:01:16 GMT
^Thanks to sf for this....a very interesting and chastening read...it is a clear indicator of how to put yourself in serious danger of catching the virus.
CMO,Chris Whitty clearly saying in the briefing that we are in this for ‘long haul’ with Covid and fully expected the virus to be actively with us until at least Spring 2021....
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Post by sf on Jun 23, 2020 22:03:33 GMT
Be careful, not be paranoid. Not suggesting anyone should be paranoid. I am suggesting people should continue to take sensible precautions, whatever the messaging from the government - which I think is reinforced by the way Chris Whitty, earlier today, stopped just short of flat-out saying he disagreed with the upcoming changes to social distancing rules. And I've also been suggesting - yes, a lot - that what I see when I go out, or when I look down from my balcony onto a busy shopping street, is that right now not enough people seem to be taking sensible precautions, and that's potentially very dangerous. What I see around me suggests a lot of people are behaving as if the problem is solved and the crisis is over, and it isn't. |
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jun 24, 2020 8:38:55 GMT
From the article:
"Instead, the major culprit is close-up, person-to-person interactions for extended periods. Crowded events, poorly ventilated areas and places where people are talking loudly—or singing, in one famous case—maximize the risk."
The definition of theatre, isn't it?
Anyway, as soon as you open things up again, people will go and there are certain people who get reckless and forget about normal precautions, distancing etc. It's bound to happen, that's why everything is done in waves and the development is closely monitored. Even on this board people say things like "first theatre that opens up, I'll be sitting in the front row, getting spat upon by actors".
We are at a point where everyone has to decide, what risks to take, whom to meet and what precautions to take for themselves.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 24, 2020 9:36:56 GMT
Even on this board people say things like "first theatre that opens up, I'll be sitting in the front row, getting spat upon by actors". Does this make anyone else think of that production of Yerma with Billy Piper? It was almost completely set in a perspex box - no spit-risk there! We could see a new trend of 'glass-wall' productions where the fourth wall is literal. |
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Post by sf on Jun 24, 2020 10:37:10 GMT
Not remotely surprising:
(Global News is the news division of a Canadian television station.)
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Post by basdfg on Jun 24, 2020 17:19:39 GMT
M and S are a nightmare atm as unlike any other furniture company they still refusing to progress to unpacking and putting the feet on delivers as part of covid safe delivery. It's not acceptable to expect the customer to do it. The excuse that the delivery men have to be apart is false as you cant distance in a cab of a lorry.
It's also pretty poor that banks are still on reduced hours and makes me think it's a further to attempt to push people to go cashless - not realising that most people still using cash will never change.
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Post by sf on Jun 24, 2020 17:32:22 GMT
M and S are a nightmare atm as unlike any other furniture company they still refusing to progress to unpacking and putting the feet on delivers as part of covid safe delivery. It's not acceptable to expect the customer to do it. The excuse that the delivery men have to be apart is false as you cant distance in a cab of a lorry. That's a difficult one, and I say that as someone who has had to buy furniture during the lockdown (I moved into an unfurnished flat on day 1), and who is going to need to buy some more in the near-ish future. On the one hand, yes it's inconvenient - I had to put my sofa together myself because the retailer's in-home assembly service (understandably) wasn't available. On the other, furniture retailers have a duty of care towards their employees, and it's not unreasonable for them to stipulate contact-free deliveries under the current circumstances. It's one thing for employees to be in close proximity to ONE other person in the cab of a lorry. It's something else entirely to ask them to go into customers' homes. I see TaskRabbit's assembly service for flatpack furniture is now available again, with the caveat that the occupant and the handyperson should remain in separate rooms - interesting in a two-room flat where I need furniture for both rooms. Haven't quite decided yet how I'm going to deal with this, but at some point soon I'm going to have had enough of nearly everything being in boxes and suitcases. |
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Post by basdfg on Jun 24, 2020 17:50:58 GMT
M and S are a nightmare atm as unlike any other furniture company they still refusing to progress to unpacking and putting the feet on delivers as part of covid safe delivery. It's not acceptable to expect the customer to do it. The excuse that the delivery men have to be apart is false as you cant distance in a cab of a lorry. That's a difficult one, and I say that as someone who has had to buy furniture during the lockdown (I moved into an unfurnished flat on day 1), and who is going to need to buy some more in the near-ish future. On the one hand, yes it's inconvenient - I had to put my sofa together myself because the retailer's in-home assembly service (understandably) wasn't available. On the other, furniture retailers have a duty of care towards their employees, and it's not unreasonable for them to stipulate contact-free deliveries under the current circumstances. It's one thing for employees to be in close proximity to ONE other person in the cab of a lorry. It's something else entirely to ask them to go into customers' homes. I see TaskRabbit's assembly service for flatpack furniture is now available again, with the caveat that the occupant and the handyperson should remain in separate rooms - interesting in a two-room flat where I need furniture for both rooms. Haven't quite decided yet how I'm going to deal with this, but at some point soon I'm going to have had enough of nearly everything being in boxes and suitcases. But they will go into a customer's home - just refuse to unwrap the furniture once it's in the room and put the legs on - a task which is not easy to do on a sofa. |
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Post by sf on Jun 24, 2020 19:35:53 GMT
That's a difficult one, and I say that as someone who has had to buy furniture during the lockdown (I moved into an unfurnished flat on day 1), and who is going to need to buy some more in the near-ish future. On the one hand, yes it's inconvenient - I had to put my sofa together myself because the retailer's in-home assembly service (understandably) wasn't available. On the other, furniture retailers have a duty of care towards their employees, and it's not unreasonable for them to stipulate contact-free deliveries under the current circumstances. It's one thing for employees to be in close proximity to ONE other person in the cab of a lorry. It's something else entirely to ask them to go into customers' homes. I see TaskRabbit's assembly service for flatpack furniture is now available again, with the caveat that the occupant and the handyperson should remain in separate rooms - interesting in a two-room flat where I need furniture for both rooms. Haven't quite decided yet how I'm going to deal with this, but at some point soon I'm going to have had enough of nearly everything being in boxes and suitcases. But they will go into a customer's home - just refuse to unwrap the furniture once it's in the room and put the legs on - a task which is not easy to do on a sofa. Yes, and that's about minimising time spent in proximity to other people, and in environments the company doesn't control. I get that it's inconvenient and annoying - as I said, I need to buy furniture in the middle of all this myself - but there is a reason for it. |
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Post by sf on Jun 24, 2020 19:41:55 GMT
Something else worth reading. Stephen Reicher is a member of the SAGE subcommittee advising the government on public behaviour. What he has to say in this piece for the Guardian about the implications of the forthcoming changes to distancing rules is worth bearing in mind as restrictions begin to ease - again, not in terms of being paranoid about the way we interact with the rest of the world, but simply in terms of equipping ourselves to keep as safe as we can:
The way Boris Johnson has eased lockdown sends all the wrong messages - Stephen Reicher |
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Post by joem on Jun 25, 2020 12:50:08 GMT
It was the Sex Pistols who said 40 years ago: "Too much paranoia".
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Post by n1david on Jun 25, 2020 13:15:53 GMT
It was the Sex Pistols who said 40 years ago: "Too much paranoia". And we should never forget them as we consider best courses of action in the 2020s. |
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Post by basdfg on Jun 25, 2020 14:16:50 GMT
Parents round here seem to still hiding their kids - it still feels like Vulgaria half the time.
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Post by sf on Jun 25, 2020 16:29:13 GMT
So much for people using their common sense and observing distancing:
The more people keep pulling boneheaded, selfish, stupid stunts like this, the longer ALL of us will have to deal with significant disruption to our lives. It's infuriating.
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Post by lynette on Jun 25, 2020 16:31:12 GMT
Live and let live
Brilliant motto. It is the ‘let live’ idea that has to go two ways. Yes, fine, go to the pub, enjoy yourself. But if you spread the virus around ( and come on, how can publicans ‘police’ their customers on a hot Friday night when people have been cooped up , probably not at work or working uncomfortably etc etc.. ? )you are being allowed to live and stopping me from living, prolonging the virus in society which stops me from living, metaphorically and possibly literally. I wish i had known that pubs are so vital to the economy they can be up and running before schools. Bet the police and A&E wish pubs were the very last to be opened up.
Sorry, a bit grumpy today.
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Post by n1david on Jun 25, 2020 17:27:55 GMT
Saturday July 4th is going to be a nightmare. First time the pubs are open, it’s a Saturday night and the middle of summer. Police are already worried about it. It’s going to be awful. Much as I fancy a drink in a beer garden somewhere nice, wild horses would not get me into a pub that first night or at all that week. I’ve got a restaurant booked for the first Weds, but it’s a big place and it’s just round the corner so I can peer in and see how they’re doing before my visit and cancel if I don’t think they’ve done enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:05:24 GMT
Saturday July 4th is going to be a nightmare. First time the pubs are open, it’s a Saturday night and the middle of summer. It's not unconditional everything-back-to-normal opening. It's table service, not everybody packed twelve rows deep round the bar. How well it will be enforced is anyone's guess, mind. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 25, 2020 18:06:45 GMT
Saturday July 4th is going to be a nightmare. First time the pubs are open, it’s a Saturday night and the middle of summer. It's not unconditional everything-back-to-normal opening. It's table service, not everybody packed twelve rows deep round the bar. How well it will be enforced is anyone's guess, mind. It might start out like that. But the question that has always baffled me is how do they genuinely expect inebriated people to social distance? |
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Post by n1david on Jun 25, 2020 18:16:07 GMT
Saturday July 4th is going to be a nightmare. First time the pubs are open, it’s a Saturday night and the middle of summer. It's not unconditional everything-back-to-normal opening. It's table service, not everybody packed twelve rows deep round the bar. How well it will be enforced is anyone's guess, mind. That’s the plan. But it’s all guidelines, not the law. How pubs will react when ten beered-up lads show up claiming they’re all from two households remains to be seen. That’s why I think a Saturday night start is unfortunate. I hope I’m wrong in my foreboding but we’ll see. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:43:52 GMT
It's not unconditional everything-back-to-normal opening. It's table service, not everybody packed twelve rows deep round the bar. How well it will be enforced is anyone's guess, mind. That’s the plan. But it’s all guidelines, not the law. How pubs will react when ten beered-up lads show up claiming they’re all from two households remains to be seen. That’s why I think a Saturday night start is unfortunate. I hope I’m wrong in my foreboding but we’ll see. I expect most people will be sensible, although the tiny minority who aren't will make the headlines. Most of the pubs where I am, and most of the pubs I frequent elsewhere, were pretty quiet before all this started anyway. Nearly everyone sat at tables, and though there might be three or four stools at the bar there were never crowds. It's perfectly reasonable to reopen places like that. It does seem strange to reopen from Saturday, though. Perhaps the government came under pressure from some of the bigger companies in the hospitality industry. |
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Post by edi on Jun 25, 2020 19:41:24 GMT
So much for people using their common sense and observing distancing:
The more people keep pulling boneheaded, selfish, stupid stunts like this, the longer ALL of us will have to deal with significant disruption to our lives. It's infuriating.
Yet people said the same about the protests, yet there is no evidence of it causing any spikes. I don't know, I do agree with you on one hand but on the other hand it seems outdoor gatherings are not the real issue. |
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