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Post by zahidf on Dec 19, 2021 22:50:35 GMT
Telegraph says a cabinet minister will quit and the 1922 Committee has a vote of no confidence letter ready if Boris tries to put more lockdown measures in place...
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Post by crowblack on Dec 19, 2021 22:56:56 GMT
Try to take it easy over the coming days if you can. I also found I was a bit clumsier during the week so left doing the dishes to someone else!
Unfortunately we have our Waitrose pre-Christmas delivery at 9am tomorrow! Booked back in October. Not looking forward to an hour or two of bleaching groceries with a sore arm.
Oh. Do you have somewhere cool you can leave them and do it slowly? Or maybe spray them with Dettol or something if they're wrapped. |
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Post by olliebean on Dec 19, 2021 23:10:39 GMT
I had pretty much no symptoms at all after my first Pfizer, slightly sore arm and a bit tired but that was it. So far I'm on sore arm & not exactly a headache but a sort of woolly-headed feeling. Though it's difficult to know if that's entirely due to the vaccine or partly due to tiredness, as I didn't sleep well last night due to pre-jab nerves. That's pretty much how I felt the day after my booster, although in my case it was the post-jab arm pain that had kept me awake most of the night. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 20, 2021 7:39:10 GMT
Where is our PM? Hangover from another party? This behaviour is unacceptable:
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Post by Mark on Dec 20, 2021 10:57:50 GMT
Got my booster this morning. Joined the long queue and because I didn't have an appointment was taken to the front and straight in (crazy ey). Originally had it booked for Christmas Eve but thought id get it over with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 12:09:51 GMT
Is it me or is it the right wing media seeming now to be pushing Chris Whitty under a bus slowly? This is the bloke who volunteered on Covid wards last Christmas, whilst certain people in Downing Street and Conservative HQ were partying! Neil Ferguson has been portrayed as Professor Lockdown. Professor Whitty is just one of many official ableit a very senior one who co chairs SAGE and views would be in line with other members. If there was pressure being put on him I could easily see the non Government employee members of SAGE resigning in protest and saying so as professions tend to stick together and I could imagine a lot of those members are very much contempories of each other. The science, the medicine, the NHS, the country, the economy all have to be considered and the Government ideally takes advice from all sources and decides on what is best level of action. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 14:16:45 GMT
Of course a huge number of fit healthy negative testing actors are having to isolate as they have chose not to be vaccinated. I didn't realise that many West End actors were that stupid. That is almost making me re-think buying any tickets for the New Year as I don't particularly want to be supporting idiots, but I also don't want to punish the sensible ones for their colleagues' stupidity. Luckily many actors are fairly vocal about being vaccinated. Does anyone know if Show Producers are using a "no vaccine no job" for new contracts. They are the employers so they can set the terms. Ongoing contracts are harder but they could amend terms in renewals or if people move up bill and take over featured roles. I would think the performers who choose not to be vaccinated would have very little recourse. |
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Post by zahidf on Dec 20, 2021 14:32:59 GMT
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Absolutely pointless if true. Be too late by then
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 15:08:08 GMT
Leaving aside the stable door issues, I'm not sure how a month's worth of closures of the entire indoor hospitality industry will be possible without any form of furlough system. This is mass redundancies waiting to happen.
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Post by zahidf on Dec 20, 2021 15:27:40 GMT
Times says 2 week from Dec 28th
Though again, either its too late or its too much. We've got most of the over 60s and vulnerable triple jabbed. I dont see the point in any restrictions going forward.
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 20, 2021 16:20:52 GMT
Times says 2 week from Dec 28th Though again, either its too late or its too much. We've got most of the over 60s and vulnerable triple jabbed. I dont see the point in any restrictions going forward. It’s the usual problem….if you have loads of cases the unvaccinated catch it (you can’t isolate completely, no matter how clever you are!) and then they need oxygen for a few days and the hospitals are full….and people with heart attacks/broken limbs etc can’t get a bed. And if lots of Covid then staff get ill too…..and no nurses/doctors etc. It’s not good enough to have “most of over 60s” protected with a bug that hits the old hard. The only way we could now improve the situation is more jabs of unvaccinated, and a proper plan for when cases of flu and covid surge each winter. This would involve more beds, more oxygen and MORE PROPERLY PAID TRAINED STAFF! If I was in charge I would also set up a national vaccination hub in each major city/town, staff it all year round, get them doing flu jabs and covid jabs and in the “off peak” they could update their records, work on their plans and go into schools to do the jabs they do there…..use it for shingles too…..and maybe sexual health stuff. Just invest for the inevitable “next time” and plan….like proper managers! |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 20, 2021 16:24:17 GMT
Has he, just as an afterthought, actually warned the arts and hospitality industries that they won't be able to operate in a week's time? And I'm sure there is a thorough and plentiful financial support package for those thousands if not millions of employees now penniless and unable to earn just after Christmas.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 20, 2021 16:28:01 GMT
/photo/1 Absolutely pointless if true. Be too late by then Need two months because he has left it so late? |
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Post by Mark on Dec 20, 2021 16:42:34 GMT
Leaving aside the stable door issues, I'm not sure how a month's worth of closures of the entire indoor hospitality industry will be possible without any form of furlough system. This is mass redundancies waiting to happen. The suggestion there can be any forced closures without full financial support would be mind blowing. Especially since there ARE alternatives (we haven’t even done proper vaccine passports in this country yet) |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 20, 2021 16:45:30 GMT
Leaving aside the stable door issues, I'm not sure how a month's worth of closures of the entire indoor hospitality industry will be possible without any form of furlough system. This is mass redundancies waiting to happen. The suggestion there can be any forced closures without full financial support would be mind blowing. Especially since there ARE alternatives (we haven’t even done proper vaccine passports in this country yet) Absolutely. I hate this system of keeping everything secret, then announcing it WHEN it comes into effect. Any financial plan needs to be unveiled now, so those who need to claim can get prepared and fill in the forms etc. Otherwise, next week will see millions of panicked people all trying to claim at once. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 16:48:00 GMT
The only way we could now improve the situation is more jabs of unvaccinated The only way to achieve that is for the Government to grow a backbone and finally ban the unvaccinated (except for genuine medically-certified exemptions) from public life and everything fun - restaurants, concerts, cinemas, leisure centres, flights etc. and actually give all those industries support to actually enforce it like they are in mainland Europe. Enough is enough. If people don't want to get vaccinated that is on them, but they don't get the right to make the rest of us miserable and cause so much economic hardship anymore. They are the problem, they need to face the consequences. |
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Post by Mark on Dec 20, 2021 17:20:48 GMT
Why not require triple jab and a negative test to attend events? Why are the government punishing EVERYBODY when it's the unvaccinated who are the ones predominantly putting a strain on the health services.
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Post by Dawnstar on Dec 20, 2021 17:21:58 GMT
Oh. Do you have somewhere cool you can leave them and do it slowly? Or maybe spray them with Dettol or something if they're wrapped. We managed to get it done, though it was even less enjoyable than usual, especially as my body kicked in with aching-all-over at midnight last night & is still aching now. That's pretty much how I felt the day after my booster, although in my case it was the post-jab arm pain that had kept me awake most of the night. Yes, the arm pain did not help my attempts to sleep last night. I usually sleep on both sides alternately, swapping over a number of times in the night, so being stuck witn only one available side was a pain both literally & figuratively.
At least I am now spared the agonizing I've been doing for the last week or more over whether or not to attend the Royal Ballet Nutcracker I had booked for tomorrow (booked back in August) because the ROH have cancelled the performances from tomorrow until 3rd January due to covid.
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 20, 2021 17:24:46 GMT
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Post by stevej678 on Dec 20, 2021 17:34:52 GMT
He might as well have said "I will not hesitate to hesitate".
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Post by southstreet on Dec 20, 2021 17:37:33 GMT
It's ridiculous. I don't want a lockdown, but he can't tell me with this current trajectory of cases that restrictions aren't necessary yet, but the data will magically change next week Monday or Tuesday and a lockdown is needed then when it's clearly just him not wanting to ruin Christmas again. Either we need a lockdown or we don't, and if we do, put it in asap and maybe allow indoor mixing in private households for the 24th - 26th or something. But don't give me some bollocks excuses about how the data doesn't support a lockdown now but it will next week, which will only mean us having to lock down for longer as we let things run riot for another week without any added restrictions. I really, really hope I am wrong, but I am pretty certain that is what is going to happen.
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 20, 2021 17:42:19 GMT
He's buying himself a week becasue there is a chance the hospital and death data won't deteriorate very much, even though infection rates have increased. There is also the issue central to Tory thinking of the tail wagging the dog - the unvaxed small minority (but 90% of deaths) determining Gov policy.
Fwiw, 920K vaccinated yesterday.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 20, 2021 17:47:19 GMT
He's buying himself a week becasue there is a chance the hospital and death data won't deteriorate very much, even though infection rates have increased. There is also the issue central to Tory thinking of the tail wagging the dog - the unvaxed small minority (but 90% of deaths) determining Gov policy.
Fwiw, 920K vaccinated yesterday.
That wasn't the tail I was thinking of when you started talking about Tory policy |
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Post by Mark on Dec 20, 2021 17:52:03 GMT
He's buying himself a week becasue there is a chance the hospital and death data won't deteriorate very much, even though infection rates have increased. There is also the issue central to Tory thinking of the tail wagging the dog - the unvaxed small minority (but 90% of deaths) determining Gov policy.
Fwiw, 920K vaccinated yesterday.
You might have something there. Cases very much appear to be stabilising rather than increasing exponentially. The number of patients in hospital with covid has been between 7-8000 for the past month of data, again no exponential rises. Average deaths per day has barely changed in a month. |
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Post by mkb on Dec 20, 2021 17:57:52 GMT
He's buying himself a week becasue there is a chance the hospital and death data won't deteriorate very much, even though infection rates have increased. There is also the issue central to Tory thinking of the tail wagging the dog - the unvaxed small minority (but 90% of deaths) determining Gov policy.
Fwiw, 920K vaccinated yesterday.
You might have something there. Cases very much appear to be stabilising rather than increasing exponentially. The number of patients in hospital with covid has been between 7-8000 for the past month of data, again no exponential rises. Average deaths per day has barely changed in a month. Kids breaking up from school will help the numbers too. |
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