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Post by poster J on Feb 2, 2022 22:47:18 GMT
I’ve got a doctor friend who is not having the vaccine because he thinks he doesn’t need it and he is concerned there’s no long term safety data and about the incidences of heart inflammation. If anything, I respect the choice of medics not to get vaccinated more so because they will have made an educated decision rather than listening to Facebook memes! We can’t force vaccines on people via coercion it’s unethical. That's more than a bit insulting! Doctors aren't the only educated people in the world. Most of us chose to take the vaccine based on our own considerations of the pros and cons and the plethora of scientific evidence, not stupid memes. Your doctor friend is exceptionally selfish - has he never administered a new treatment, one that doesn't have 20 years of research behind it? Of course he has, so why is what's good enough for his patients not good enough for him? This is a public health crisis, if he is seriously advocating waiting years for treatments to be approved before using them then he is in the wrong profession. It just isn't how life and science works. And it isn't coercion, people always have a choice not to take the vaccine. It's the simple, really most basic principle of life - actions have consequences. If you choose not to take the vaccine you simply have to face the consequences. End of.
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 2, 2022 22:58:11 GMT
Regarding the 534 deaths yesterday that figure was cumulative I can’t remember exactly what it was but it wasn’t the actual deaths yesterday. If you’re on Twitter a couple of accounts I’d recommend are covid fact check and coronavirus good news! Finally Dawnstar, I’ve noticed from your other posts that you are very anxious about covid still, and I understand. I have anxiety and I was an absolute MESS at the start of the pandemic but I came through the other side with help and I’m feeling pretty chill now tbh. I’ve kinda done a 180 in that now I feel like life has to go on and we have to make the most of it! That’s me though, we’re all different! If you are suffering anxiety to the point it’s ruining your life, there is help available. I urge you to go to your GP if you’re struggling, and my DMs are always open if u wanna chat They're still dead though, irrespective of which precise day they died.
Right now I'm mostly worried about getting covid precisely because of the impact it would have on my attempts to get on with life. Last night I attended one performance at the ROH that I've been looking forward to for months & I have another one booked for 10th that I liekwise really, really don't want to miss. After that, my mother is scheduled to have another operation on 17th. She has to test negative on 14th & we have to isolate 14th-17th So if I get covid in the next few days it'll screw up either my theatregoing or my mother's operation or both.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 3, 2022 6:56:08 GMT
On a 7 day basis (probably the most accurate way to measure for these things) the deaths are around 200 a day or so . Which isn't Ideal but isn't really outside of the normal range for deaths caused by respiratory disease.
Inews reports from April they won't be publicising daily rates e.t.c, and will switch to weekly.
On the vaccine mandates, they don't really work, and I think is an admission of failure. The UK has excellent vaccine coverage based on persuasion. If a small percentage doesn't get it, then I don't think the moral and ethical issues caused by vaccine mandates are justifiable by the small benefits it might give us
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 17:35:37 GMT
As regards the vaccines for NHS frontline/Care/Homecare staff surely it is a no brainer to have it in the rules that ALL new staff or those rejoining the profession having gone to another vocation HAVE to be vaccinated. This gives existing staff the right of choice but it becomes clear that ALL newbies have to have it. This may be a very slow change but it would eventually mop up all the refuseniks as they leave or retire.
The unions cannot argue this as terms for existing staff are protected and any company can change perameters of T and C's for new staff. Where I work I get more annual leave than newbies who will unlikely ever get what I get but I've worked for them for well over 30 years.
Deaths are certainly much down on this time last year and seem to be flattening out. Hospital numbers have fallen steadily in last couple of weeks since festive and early new year peak.
As regards deaths in the UK up to end 2020 we had had 73,512 deaths
By end of 2021 we were up to 148,624 so a shade over 75k deaths last year with a slightly higher number than year before despite the vaccine being available to everyone eligible who wanted it.
We are now up to 157,730 deaths which may indicate we are on for another heavy year of deaths but by this date last year we were up to 109,335 deaths so you could say up to Feb 2021 there had been that many deaths and since then there have been a far more moderate 48,400 deaths so is the vaccine making this difference, is the virus weakening or have a lot of more vunerable people sadly seccumbed to it already.
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Post by og on Feb 3, 2022 18:11:07 GMT
Found out recently that a nurse that was treating me whilst I was neutropenic (ie highly immunocompromised) for a full day and in a lot of close contact in December tested pos later that day. Thanks to her wearing her mask and my immunisations I did not catch covid.
Proof in the pudding.
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Post by Jon on Feb 3, 2022 18:18:35 GMT
Inews reports from April they won't be publicising daily rates e.t.c, and will switch to weekly. I think a lot of countries will start phasing out reporting numbers in the coming months.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 4, 2022 10:37:52 GMT
Oh boy
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 4, 2022 13:07:18 GMT
Your 'oh boy' surprised me?? Have I misread your post?
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Post by lynette on Feb 5, 2022 17:36:58 GMT
Did I say I am ‘man down’? No taste, no smell, head like a brick, Victorian style cough. You know that list of symptoms on the lemsip packet? Got em all. Urgh. Of course, I’m jabbed, thrice, of course I wear a mask on tube, in shops which I never go into anyway. This virus must be like a cloud resting on top of us dropping its mean little particles like the confetti of doom.
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Post by The Matthew on Feb 5, 2022 20:40:01 GMT
Did I say I am ‘man down’? No taste, no smell, head like a brick, Victorian style cough. Take care and get well soon.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 12:44:51 GMT
Boris Johnson starts by saying on the Monday after the half term recess he will announce a strategy for living with Covid.
He says the government intends to end the last restrictions, including isolating requirements, a full month early.
The isolation rules were due to end on 24 March.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 14:34:29 GMT
Current isolation rules for people in England will be replace by guidance, the PM’s spokeperson said.
People will continue to be advised to stay away from work if they have Covid. He said:
"What we would simply be doing is removing the domestic regulations which relate to isolation. But obviously in the same way that someone with flu, we wouldn’t recommend they go to work, we would never recommend anyone goes to work when they have an infectious disease."
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Post by olliebean on Feb 9, 2022 14:38:40 GMT
Unspoken: "But we're going to look the other way if your employer insists you go to work regardless."
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Post by southstreet on Feb 9, 2022 14:46:39 GMT
And we also won't allow you to move your theatre tickets anymore, so just sit next to someone while you know you have covid. Oh and if you wear a mask is also up to you in that situation, cos we know people are going to be super sensible about this. **NOT**
I mean, I figured it was going to happen but was hoping at the very least he'd wait til the end of March, rather than rushing this through to continue distracting from his power struggles.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 15:19:48 GMT
I don't think the UK are acting differently to mist European countries, except in the sense they are doing it sooner than the others.All the western countries will be following these removal of restrictions by summer i reckon
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 9, 2022 15:22:28 GMT
I'm deeply disappointed but I can't say I'm surprised. The government have made it very clear that they don't give a damn if vulnerable people catch covid just as long as they don't do it all at once & overwhelm the NHS. Unspoken: "But we're going to look the other way if your employer insists you go to work regardless." It will be interesting to see if we end up with people taking their employers to court if they become seriously ill with covid having caught it from colleagues who came into work knowing that they were infectious.
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Post by The Matthew on Feb 9, 2022 16:31:19 GMT
I don't think the UK are acting differently to mist European countries, except in the sense they are doing it sooner than the others.All the western countries will be following these removal of restrictions by summer i reckon The difference is that other countries are doing it based on the scientific evidence and we're doing it on the basis of The Mirror publishing pictures of our PM getting pissed at a party that didn't happen and he didn't know about and didn't attend and was certainly not a social event.
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Post by poster J on Feb 9, 2022 17:13:00 GMT
It will be interesting to see if we end up with people taking their employers to court if they become seriously ill with covid having caught it from colleagues who came into work knowing that they were infectious. If there is no legal obligation to isolate then I doubt they'll be able to sustain a case. If they have valid health reasons for working from home and employers don't accommodate it that may be different, but it seems the onus will be on the vulnerable to protect themselves and everyone else will be legally (if not morally) allowed to abdicate all responsibility for others in the Covid sense.
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Post by sfsusan on Feb 9, 2022 18:34:12 GMT
If there is no legal obligation to isolate then I doubt they'll be able to sustain a case. There may not be a case against the employer, but wouldn't there be a case against the person who acted recklessly by coming in to work (especially if they were unmasked)? I think there were successful cases like this when people with HIV/AIDS had unprotected sex, knowing they were contagious.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 20:11:39 GMT
If there is no legal obligation to isolate then I doubt they'll be able to sustain a case. There may not be a case against the employer, but wouldn't there be a case against the person who acted recklessly by coming in to work (especially if they were unmasked)? I think there were successful cases like this when people with HIV/AIDS had unprotected sex, knowing they were contagious. Well no. If you legally don't have to isolate if you're covid positive then there isn't a civil case . Unless you can prove they infected you on purpose (coughing in your face, getting too close to you) but I don't see how that can happen
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 20:14:02 GMT
I don't think the UK are acting differently to mist European countries, except in the sense they are doing it sooner than the others.All the western countries will be following these removal of restrictions by summer i reckon The difference is that other countries are doing it based on the scientific evidence and we're doing it on the basis of The Mirror publishing pictures of our PM getting pissed at a party that didn't happen and he didn't know about and didn't attend and was certainly not a social event. Well yes, yes doing it earlier cos of his issues for sure. At the same time, countries like Netherlands and Sweden are removing all restrictions in the middle of a cases spike. But high cases don't mean massively high death or hospitlisation rates anymore cos of vaccination or omicron.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 9, 2022 20:56:23 GMT
I’m in Madrid at the moment. The mandatory masks outdoors requirement for Spain is lifted at midnight tonight.
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Post by olliebean on Feb 9, 2022 21:52:08 GMT
There may not be a case against the employer, but wouldn't there be a case against the person who acted recklessly by coming in to work (especially if they were unmasked)? I think there were successful cases like this when people with HIV/AIDS had unprotected sex, knowing they were contagious. Well no. If you legally don't have to isolate if you're covid positive then there isn't a civil case . Unless you can prove they infected you on purpose (coughing in your face, getting too close to you) but I don't see how that can happen I believe, however, there is a legal obligation on employers to take reasonable steps to provide a safe workplace, and there could be a case against the employer if they knowingly asked an infected employee to come in to work.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 22:21:08 GMT
Well no. If you legally don't have to isolate if you're covid positive then there isn't a civil case . Unless you can prove they infected you on purpose (coughing in your face, getting too close to you) but I don't see how that can happen I believe, however, there is a legal obligation on employers to take reasonable steps to provide a safe workplace, and there could be a case against the employer if they knowingly asked an infected employee to come in to work. Well they are looking to get rid of free testing except for hospitals/vulnerable people in April anyway Covid will be the same status as any other infectious disease though. It'd be very hard to prove where you caught Covid when it's prevalent in society enough to satisfy a court you definitely caught it during employment.
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 10, 2022 7:54:23 GMT
I just don't understand. People still need to isolate. Even if you do just have a cold, isolate. I do not want your germs, whether it's Covid or cold. If one good thing were to come from this, isolating when you're sick in any way should have become the norm.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 10, 2022 8:57:54 GMT
I’m in Madrid at the moment. The mandatory masks outdoors requirement for Spain is lifted at midnight tonight. Wow
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Post by southstreet on Feb 10, 2022 9:53:48 GMT
I just don't understand. People still need to isolate. Even if you do just have a cold, isolate. I do not want your germs, whether it's Covid or cold. If one good thing were to come from this, isolating when you're sick in any way should have become the norm. I agree with that, but it needs the proper infrastructure around it. I am going to continue working from home for three days a week, so if I get ill, it's easy for me to just tell my boss I am not feeling well, it's better if I don't come into the office that day or week and I can continue doing my job. But if you work in a job in which you aren't able to work from home, isolating when ill only works if you get adequate sick pay, otherwise people will have to decide between paying their heating/putting food on the table or isolating.
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 10, 2022 10:03:46 GMT
I just don't understand. People still need to isolate. Even if you do just have a cold, isolate. I do not want your germs, whether it's Covid or cold. If one good thing were to come from this, isolating when you're sick in any way should have become the norm. I agree with that, but it needs the proper infrastructure around it. I am going to continue working from home for three days a week, so if I get ill, it's easy for me to just tell my boss I am not feeling well, it's better if I don't come into the office that day or week and I can continue doing my job. But if you work in a job in which you aren't able to work from home, isolating when ill only works if you get adequate sick pay, otherwise people will have to decide between paying their heating/putting food on the table or isolating. I quite agree. Society is simply broken and capitalism clearly doesn't work, but here we are.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 10, 2022 18:21:29 GMT
I’m in Madrid at the moment. The mandatory masks outdoors requirement for Spain is lifted at midnight tonight. Wow Pleased you enjoyed that titbit! Further news, yesterday while masks outdoors were mandatory there was about 99.5% compliance. Today when you didn’t need one anymore, it was still about 95% of people wearing them.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 11, 2022 9:26:24 GMT
Pleased you enjoyed that titbit! Further news, yesterday while masks outdoors were mandatory there was about 99.5% compliance. Today when you didn’t need one anymore, it was still about 95% of people wearing them. Double Wow!! Perhaps they should have thought for their liberty and personal freedoms in Spain
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