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Post by talkingheads on Nov 27, 2021 17:09:41 GMT
That the Government can't even make masks mandatory, an action that will inconvenience nobody but would allows us to carry on as normal, is absolutely baffling. Johnson just went on TV and advised people to wear them, I'm not sure how many more times they need it reiterated that the public will not comply unless it is mandated and enforced.
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 27, 2021 17:14:12 GMT
That the Government can't even make masks mandatory, an action that will inconvenience nobody but would allows us to carry on as normal, is absolutely baffling. Johnson just went on TV and advised people to wear them, I'm not sure how many more times they need it reiterated that the public will not comply unless it is mandated and enforced. It is mandated. But nobody will listen and nobody will enforce it as they never did before. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 27, 2021 17:16:06 GMT
Fair chance quite a few travel companies will go bust this winter. That will add a major impact for the years going on. International travel rates will never ever return to 2019 levels in my opinion.
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 27, 2021 17:20:38 GMT
That the Government can't even make masks mandatory, an action that will inconvenience nobody but would allows us to carry on as normal, is absolutely baffling. Johnson just went on TV and advised people to wear them, I'm not sure how many more times they need it reiterated that the public will not comply unless it is mandated and enforced. It is mandated. But nobody will listen and nobody will enforce it as they never did before. Not in all indoor settings it isn't. Barely anybody wears them on public transport. Think of the sold out pantos around the country this year, packed theatres. If they enforced masks it might go halfway to helping. |
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Post by eua78 on Nov 27, 2021 17:23:01 GMT
Fair chance quite a few travel companies will go bust this winter. That will add a major impact for the years going on. International travel rates will never ever return to 2019 levels in my opinion. I can understand the need to bring back PCRs but travel industry really is screwed into the new year, and people travelling to see family are gonna end up with testing bills of £100s, complete rip off. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 27, 2021 17:23:01 GMT
It is mandated. But nobody will listen and nobody will enforce it as they never did before. Not in all indoor settings it isn't. Barely anybody wears them on public transport. Think of the sold out pantos around the country this year, packed theatres. If they enforced masks it might go halfway to helping. Hospitality is exempt from the new rules according the government’s official Twitter account. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 27, 2021 17:24:02 GMT
Fair chance quite a few travel companies will go bust this winter. That will add a major impact for the years going on. International travel rates will never ever return to 2019 levels in my opinion. I can understand the need to bring back PCRs but travel industry really is screwed into the new year, and people travelling to see family are gonna end up with testing bills of £100s, complete rip off. I suspect they will never be as many people flying in 2019 ever again. It’s not a industry that can easily rebuild if a lot of the companies go bust. |
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Post by eua78 on Nov 27, 2021 17:26:12 GMT
I can understand the need to bring back PCRs but travel industry really is screwed into the new year, and people travelling to see family are gonna end up with testing bills of £100s, complete rip off. I suspect they will never be as many people flying in 2019 ever again. It’s not a industry that can easily rebuild if a lot of the companies go bust. As long as ryanair stays strong for my £5 flights  , but yes I can't ever see travel numbers reaching pre pandemic levels with many working using tech and families realising they dont need to fly 12 hours to sit on a beach  |
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 27, 2021 17:28:09 GMT
I suspect they will never be as many people flying in 2019 ever again. It’s not a industry that can easily rebuild if a lot of the companies go bust. As long as ryanair stays strong for my £5 flights , but yes I can't ever see travel numbers reaching pre pandemic levels with many working using tech and families realising they dont need to fly 12 hours to sit on a beach Will contribute to making the world feel larger again. Online is no substitute to making connections in person. |
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Post by eua78 on Nov 27, 2021 17:31:24 GMT
As long as ryanair stays strong for my £5 flights , but yes I can't ever see travel numbers reaching pre pandemic levels with many working using tech and families realising they dont need to fly 12 hours to sit on a beach Will contribute to making the world feel larger again. Online is no substitute to making connections in person. Oh yes agreed |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 27, 2021 17:43:16 GMT
Deciding this new Covid is bullsh*t for mental health reasons. Putting it in the pay no mind space. Back to partying Without judging you I do fear people might end up dying because too many people have that type of attitude to this variant. It’s just too early to say how dangerous or not it will be. This |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 17:56:13 GMT
I can understand the need to bring back PCRs but travel industry really is screwed into the new year, and people travelling to see family are gonna end up with testing bills of £100s, complete rip off. I suspect they will never be as many people flying in 2019 ever again. It’s not a industry that can easily rebuild if a lot of the companies go bust. Planes, airports, pilots and flight attendants don't evaporate. There'll be some consolidation and some variation in prices for a while and there'll probably be a lasting small reduction in demand, but the industry went through this after 9/11 and survived. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 27, 2021 17:59:05 GMT
I suspect they will never be as many people flying in 2019 ever again. It’s not a industry that can easily rebuild if a lot of the companies go bust. Planes, airports, pilots and flight attendants don't evaporate. There'll be some consolidation and some variation in prices for a while and there'll probably be a lasting small reduction in demand, but the industry went through this after 9/11 and survived. Arguably this is a bigger long term threat than 9/11 to the future of the industry. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 18:40:20 GMT
Planes, airports, pilots and flight attendants don't evaporate. There'll be some consolidation and some variation in prices for a while and there'll probably be a lasting small reduction in demand, but the industry went through this after 9/11 and survived. Arguably this is a bigger long term threat than 9/11 to the future of the industry. I'd say it's less of a long term threat. After 9/11 people were afraid to fly and it took a long time for the demand to return. This time the demand is still there: people want to travel, and the faster we can get the coronavirus under control the faster the industry will recover. It's pointless to dwell on the worst possible outcome because it almost certainly won't happen.
But that's just my conjecture, like your post was yours. People who work in the industry think it'll recover, and they're more likely to know what they're talking about than you or I do.
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 27, 2021 18:43:54 GMT
Arguably this is a bigger long term threat than 9/11 to the future of the industry. I'd say it's less of a long term threat. After 9/11 people were afraid to fly and it took a long time for the demand to return. This time the demand is still there: people want to travel, and the faster we can get the coronavirus under control the faster the industry will recover. It's pointless to dwell on the worst possible outcome because it almost certainly won't happen.
But that's just my conjecture, like your post was yours. People who work in the industry think it'll recover, and they're more likely to know what they're talking about than you or I do.
It depends if the Government provide the financial support needed for them to cope if travel mostly stops again this winter. If that doesn’t happen then jobs and then whole Companies will sadly cease to exist. |
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Post by christya on Nov 27, 2021 19:35:58 GMT
Just great. I'm supposed to be travelling next week, a long-delayed and already thrice-rescheduled trip. Had already booked and paid for my Day 2 antigen test, now having to pay for yet another test, despite having lined up and dutifully gotten my vaccine x 2 and booster. Plus, they're saying you need to self-isolate until the results come in - except I need to be somewhere on day 2 for work, and the results won't be in. Absolutely fantastic.
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 27, 2021 19:42:19 GMT
Aren't we now back to that baffling issue of Johnson advising us to wear masks in shops and public transport but nowhere else? Because apparently Covid won't affect you in a pub, school, theatre, cinema or other crowded indoor spaces?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 19:48:08 GMT
Just great. I'm supposed to be travelling next week, a long-delayed and already thrice-rescheduled trip. Had already booked and paid for my Day 2 antigen test, now having to pay for yet another test, despite having lined up and dutifully gotten my vaccine x 2 and booster. Plus, they're saying you need to self-isolate until the results come in - except I need to be somewhere on day 2 for work, and the results won't be in. Absolutely fantastic. Take the test as soon as you get back. You have to take it by no later than Day 2, it doesn't have to be on Day 2. When I came back from holiday recently I went to get the test done on the way home from the airport. |
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Post by christya on Nov 27, 2021 19:59:42 GMT
Trouble is, I get in at 11pm in the evening so can't take it until the next morning. They're quoting 'up to 10pm the next day' for results, and the 'next day' is when I'm supposed to be on a train at 8am. So it could be fine, or not, but probably not. I feel like there should be some way to pay to expedite this, but if there is, it doesn't seem to be local.
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Post by sfsusan on Nov 27, 2021 21:07:05 GMT
I'm an American in Paris at the moment and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter museums and most restaurants. Masks are required in shops and on transit with fairly good compliance. And normal life is able to go on because of these precautions. Restaurants are full, shops are busy, people are out and about.
Additional precautions will be in place shortly, including offering booster shots to everyone (and requiring them for certain groups in order to keep their vaccine pass), making masks mandatory in all indoor spaces (and some outdoor events) and reducing the validity period of using a negative test result instead of a vaccine pass.
Sadly, when I travel to London in December, I'll probably stop going out to eat, won't be buying new theater tickets and I'll probably restrict my activities that involve crowded indoor venues if they don't require vaccination proof and/or testing, in addition to masking.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 21:32:32 GMT
Aren't we now back to that baffling issue of Johnson advising us to wear masks in shops and public transport but nowhere else? Because apparently Covid won't affect you in a pub, school, theatre, cinema or other crowded indoor spaces? It's not that baffling. Not imposing wider restrictions will cost lives, but imposing wider restrictions will cost votes.
(At least we're not in the insane position that the USA is, where Republicans have been courting voters by encouraging people to stand up against government-imposed rules but now so many more Republicans than Democrats are dying it might end up having a discernable effect on future elections.)
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Post by lynette on Nov 27, 2021 22:29:46 GMT
I'm an American in Paris at the moment and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter museums and most restaurants. Masks are required in shops and on transit with fairly good compliance. And normal life is able to go on because of these precautions. Restaurants are full, shops are busy, people are out and about. Additional precautions will be in place shortly, including offering booster shots to everyone (and requiring them for certain groups in order to keep their vaccine pass), making masks mandatory in all indoor spaces (and some outdoor events) and reducing the validity period of using a negative test result instead of a vaccine pass. Sadly, when I travel to London in December, I'll probably stop going out to eat, won't be buying new theater tickets and I'll probably restrict my activities that involve crowded indoor venues if they don't require vaccination proof and/or testing, in addition to masking. You can do what you think is best for yourself of course but I can assure you that it is a ‘normal ‘ here as I have ever seen it. Yes, covid pass for some venues, not all by any means, temp checks maybe in place of and the restaurants are heaving. I don't do clubs but I expect they are all heaving too. People are shopping as can be seen by the number of designer bags being hauled onto the tube this evening. Mask wearing varies; seems about 70% wear on tube in my experience. Inside theatres, 30% unless asked by management to wear. Shops 50% I would say. Hairdressers vary but seem to be keeping to the masks wearing and distancing rules. Etc etc. I do not know the numbers . Perhaps Paris is ‘safer’ than London. I am triple jabbed, wear a mask in indoor situations and keep my distance: I don’t go to social occasions with more than a few people so you can say I am pretty cautious. I have been to the theatre a few times, different measures each time. Inconsistency rules. But London is busy. As I said I do not know the numbers. Maybe check yourself but if you take some precautions I think you will be ‘safe’. |
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 27, 2021 22:39:42 GMT
As I'm out and about I see variations; the cautious avoid busy periods. So, for example, supermarkets have higher mask wearing at 7-8am. And those people are not hanging around. I have wondered if, at that time of the day, those food shopping represent a higher number are those who have chosen to not vaccinate. There is also variation at different times of the day on public transport (school closing time - yikes!), and on different tube lines. I haven't been on buses much lately but I can't remember the last time I saw a bus driver wearing a mask.
I was in A&E 2 weeks ago; the volunteer doorman was insistent everyone had to wear a mask as they queued, but from the triage nurse onwards not a single member of staff did.
I find it interesting, it's quite subtle but the population has adjusted to personal and family circs, and to its vaccination choices.
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 27, 2021 23:00:08 GMT
Sadly, when I travel to London in December, I'll probably stop going out to eat, won't be buying new theater tickets and I'll probably restrict my activities that involve crowded indoor venues if they don't require vaccination proof and/or testing, in addition to masking.
Plenty of socially distanced performances. They do sell quickly, though.
I'm impressed the French manage to eat and drink in masks.
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Post by lynette on Nov 27, 2021 23:19:48 GMT
Just to add that this may change if the virus situation changes in light of the new strain of virus.
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, but yes I can't ever see travel numbers reaching pre pandemic levels with many working using tech and families realising they dont need to fly 12 hours to sit on a beach 
