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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 3, 2020 9:17:52 GMT
Preposterous. A negative covid test is only as good as the day it was taken.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 9:38:36 GMT
Preposterous. A negative covid test is only as good as the day it was taken. It's no different to countries allowing you to enter with a negative test. How exactly do you expect anyone to prove they don't have COVID at any given time? If that is the benchmark then you may as well not ever go out of your front door. Expectations cannot be set so unrealistically high. It is up to individuals to decide if they want to take a risk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 10:24:14 GMT
A negative covid test is only as good as the day it was taken. It's not going to be perfect but we don't need to eliminate the risk completely. We just need to reduce it to the point where infection rates stay low, and the lower we can get the infection rates the lower the risk of a test being out of date. And with trials of a 20-minute test now underway there's a significant chance of near-real-time testing as an alternative to other restrictions. It is up to individuals to decide if they want to take a risk. That makes about as much sense as saying it's up to individuals whether they want to text while driving. When the greater risk is to others then no, it absolutely is not up to individuals to decide the risk to other people.
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Post by clair on Sept 3, 2020 10:29:14 GMT
Surely having to have a test before going would make theatre even more elitist than people already claim it is - I imagine it would have to be paid for so that plus the ticket prices will put it out of reach of even more. Full plaudits to ALW for all he's doing to try to get theatres up and running in a viable way.
It's bittersweet seeing all the things being announced that ARE going ahead - wonderful to see theatre back in some form of course but for me it's slightly depressing as I'm on a paycut with redundancies looming so can't spend money on anything extra at the moment. Still good to know that if things work out there will be theatre to see at the end of it.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 3, 2020 10:44:25 GMT
I think the idea will be the test will be available on the NHS or the same price as a pregnancy test, and it will be valid for a week.
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Post by clair on Sept 3, 2020 11:02:30 GMT
But a negative test doesn't last a week in reality - a friend works in the testing units and said that you can test negative one day and positive the next depending on how long the virus has been in the body so being negative Monday doesn't mean you are when you enter the theatre on Friday!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 3, 2020 11:29:13 GMT
Preposterous. A negative covid test is only as good as the day it was taken. It's no different to countries allowing you to enter with a negative test. Which is equally preposterous! How exactly do you expect anyone to prove they don't have COVID at any given time? If that is the benchmark then you may as well not ever go out of your front door. Expectations cannot be set so unrealistically high. It is up to individuals to decide if they want to take a risk. I don’t expect anyone to prove anything because as you quite correctly say “ It is up to individuals to decide if they want to take a risk.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 11:39:14 GMT
That makes about as much sense as saying it's up to individuals whether they want to text while driving. When the greater risk is to others then no, it absolutely is not up to individuals to decide the risk to other people. Yes it is, in individual situations, otherwise the only solution is for no-one to ever leave their house. Where you have a risk that cannot be eliminated entirely, like a virus without a cure, it will always come down to a risk assessment of individual circumstances and the only people who can decide whether they are willing to take the risk of doing something like going to the theatre in their own circumstances is each individual, COVID test or no COVID test. That is exactly what we are all doing right now in terms of going to restaurants! The only way to avoid that is a blanket ban on any form of social gathering, or indeed even going outside. Life is all about assessing risk in every aspect of it.
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Post by stevej678 on Sept 3, 2020 13:41:07 GMT
It's going to be a quiet winter in Hyde Park this year.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 3, 2020 13:46:34 GMT
It's going to be a quiet winter in Hyde Park this year. I had a few dates with a guy who asked me if I wanted to go to WW. It was a very short relationship.
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Post by smallperson on Sept 3, 2020 14:14:35 GMT
A lot of people hoping for seasonal roles here in retail, hospitality, performing etc see another opportunity for work disappear.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 3, 2020 17:38:23 GMT
Where you have a risk that cannot be eliminated entirely, like a virus without a cure, it will always come down to a risk assessment of individual circumstances and the only people who can decide whether they are willing to take the risk of doing something like going to the theatre in their own circumstances is each individual, COVID test or no COVID test. .....Life is all about assessing risk in every aspect of it. I do agree with you, really I do. But I do feel that you speak from the position of a younger person whose risk factor is lower (and I’m sorry if I’ve made assumptions about your age or state of health). And while young, healthy people are skipping around assessing their risk, finding it is low, socialising and seeing fab theatre there’s potentially a significant number of people who can’t do that because the risk for them is so much greater. These may be people who buy the expensive seats which subsidise the cheap ones. So while I do think theatres should open to the (privileged?) young and healthy performers and customers who feel happy to take the very small risk (to them) it’s a bit of a selfish model to adopt.
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Post by Jon on Sept 3, 2020 17:46:08 GMT
Surely having to have a test before going would make theatre even more elitist than people already claim it is - I imagine it would have to be paid for so that plus the ticket prices will put it out of reach of even more. Full plaudits to ALW for all he's doing to try to get theatres up and running in a viable way. The test is for all live events, not just theatre so elitism isn't going to be a factor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 18:18:13 GMT
So while I do think theatres should open to the (privileged?) young and healthy performers and customers who feel happy to take the very small risk (to them) it’s a very selfish model to adopt. Because if you’re in the risk group you can **** off because the rest of the world doesn’t care. I understand where you are coming from, but actually I think that yours is possibly the more selfish attitude to adopt, as it is the one which has the inevitable consequence of higher unemployment and more businesses and industries going under, which will ultimately cause more damage. You are saying that because some people are vulnerable then the economy can **** off, to use your expression. That is probably more harmful in the long term than risk-assesssed re-opening. There has to be a balance. I entirely appreciate that some people are higher risk and that is why I specifically said that it is for every individual to assess their own risk, and that will obviously include the risk to those around them. There is only so far you can feasibly take that as no-one can legislate for the people they come into contact with on the street, who have (however reluctantly) chosen to be out as well. I have to get on a train to work, and have to decide if I am in a position to take the inevitable risk. That is simply a symptom of the world we currently all live in. We are going to be living with this virus for potentially a long time, so although it may seem harsh I'm afraid the only viable option is for industries to continue cautiously opening up with everyone assessing their own risk. Anything else and the country will grind to a halt, it just isn't economically or socially viable.
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Post by TallPaul on Sept 4, 2020 9:05:37 GMT
After a six month hiatus, my mum's Friday morning singing sessions resume today. They normally meet inside the bowls pavilion, but they're now going to be meeting outside it. I'm not sure how that's going to work when it gets too cold to be outdoors for two hours, but good for them, I say.
We are getting there!
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Post by lichtie on Sept 4, 2020 13:38:03 GMT
After a six month hiatus, my mum's Friday morning singing sessions resume today. They normally meet inside the bowls pavilion, but they're now going to be meeting outside it. I'm not sure how that's going to work when it gets too cold to be outdoors for two hours, but good for them, I say. We are getting there!
On-the-spot jogging whilst belting out a verse or two should keep them all warm.
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Post by christya on Sept 4, 2020 15:48:39 GMT
After a six month hiatus, my mum's Friday morning singing sessions resume today. They normally meet inside the bowls pavilion, but they're now going to be meeting outside it. I'm not sure how that's going to work when it gets too cold to be outdoors for two hours, but good for them, I say. We are getting there! I'm horribly jealous of your Mum, my own choir has just had to cancel our Christmas concerts for this year because we'd normally start rehearsals at the end of September. While we all feel a bit sorry for ourselves, the other issue is that our concerts bring in a lot of money for our venue, which is used to support some of the loss-making community programmes over the year, so the knock on effect will be going right into next year. We're currently looking at whether we can do something in different venues, with smaller groups, but hitting roadblocks all the time so I suspect it's over until next year.
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Post by TallPaul on Sept 5, 2020 11:04:11 GMT
That's too bad, christya. Fingers crossed that you'll be able to do something this year. I'm not sure my mum's group has any ambition to reach concert standard; it's more about companionship, and having a bit of fun on a Friday morning. Should anyone be interested, a total of 29 made it to the park yesterday. I hope the Council haven't aided and abetted in any CV regulations being broken! "We're going to need a van with low floor access, Sarge." 🙂
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Post by zahidf on Sept 6, 2020 7:22:12 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Sept 6, 2020 7:30:34 GMT
By the autumn won't it be just a little too late? Shows take months to prepare, why hasn't he been working on this already?
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Post by zahidf on Sept 6, 2020 9:57:49 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Sept 6, 2020 10:06:44 GMT
Wow! That's sudden! Thank God they did it just in the nick of time before all the pantos were cancelled and thousands of people lost their main source of income for the year...
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Post by zahidf on Sept 6, 2020 10:11:04 GMT
Wow! That's sudden! Thank God they did it just in the nick of time before all the pantos were cancelled and thousands of people lost their main source of income for the year... Oh, god knows I dont want to defend this terrible government, but if they've just determined that the saliva tests probably will work, they needed to make sure of that before they could roll out a mass testing regime...
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Post by HereForTheatre on Sept 6, 2020 11:50:40 GMT
It was too early to be able to do this before now, it's a simple as that. I'm sorry that many panto and musical productions had to be cancelled already but they were clearly not in a position to be able to move forward with these plans before now. It's unfortunate but that's just how it happened.
Many theatres and producers should be in a position to still put something on over the festive period if this plan proves accurate and so it is better than nothing. It might not be the full scale pantomimes and musicals they were planning but we could see perhaps old ready to go productions revived or Christmas concerts and the like, which would be very beneficial to everyone involved.
I know my local theatre had things ready to go at short notice even in the summer if they theatres could suddenly re-open so i'm pretty sure that theatres and producers are equally prepared for the festive period. It was already announced that social distancing in theatres was going to be reviewed in November so any producer or theatre worth their salt should already have a plan up their sleeve for November and December at least.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 6, 2020 12:52:37 GMT
I reckon no social distancing but mask wearing still being mandatory is a good compromise
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