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Post by zahidf on Aug 17, 2020 21:13:57 GMT
Is he an idiot because he's trying to protect his resources and make sure he can reopen his productions when the situation is more stable and therefore employ all those people again? As bectu says, there is a way for him to minimise the losses he isnt taking, the way other places are |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 23:07:09 GMT
Is he an idiot because he's trying to protect his resources and make sure he can reopen his productions when the situation is more stable and therefore employ all those people again? As bectu says, there is a way for him to minimise the losses he isnt taking, the way other places are So they say - the union view isn't exactly neutral either. His company isn't going to have a huge amount of liquidity so with no sign of sufficient light at the end of the tunnel for theatre there wasn't an awful lot else he could do, sad though it is. |
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Post by djp on Aug 18, 2020 0:13:45 GMT
Interesting thinking about what theatres will feel constitutes sufficient distancing. In the Donmar they did feel they had to leave a row empty as in the circle there are only 2 rows and only one was in use. Looks to be the same at The Bridge from the seating plan. I'm just thinking more as someone who has begun using public transport in London again - there is no 2m distancing, or even really 1m distancing, on buses and trains - rows aren't roped off to stop people using them, so you have situations where every row of seats is occupied, but by one person rather than two. Nearly everyone is wearing masks. I don't see why theatres can't do the same, and they have the space to ensure people aren't sitting directly behind each other. That could get you above 30% capacity while still distancing. Because people don't spend 3 hours sitting on a bus and most long distance commuters are working from home to avoid trains. Because buses don't come with toilets in dingy cupboards , And because many of the people who pay full price for their theatres tickets are going nowhere near buses or trains, or theatres, till the vaccine arrives. The more you try and cram in , the more key audiences will be deterred. And because Cameron tells us he needs 80% capacity filled to make money he's not going to put anything on till he can fill the seats. Even if you put on something with no orchestra, few actors and a socially distanced script, you are still going to find the economics difficult if the only people going are younger and only want to pay at what would be the cheapest rates. Its wait for the vaccine or subsidise your show from past profits, or put on cabarets , or go outdoors where the odds on not catching anything are much better. |
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Post by djp on Aug 18, 2020 0:16:07 GMT
I'm sorry i'm getting aggravated by this snooker thing. Firstly, social media is up in arms and circulating pictures that aren't even from this years event. Secondly, whilst I don't get the who mask thing, that is a strange thing, there WAS social distancing, the capacity was reduced to 300 from 900, anywhere it looks like a lot of people are sitting together then that is a social bubble. Thirdly about the outcry that they have the audacity to put this test event on in a theatre.....The Crucible has housed this championship and others for getting on 50 years and is far more globally famous as a snooker venue than as a playhouse...... Finally, Theatre is literally allowed to do the same thing/ and not just as a test like this was, but as standard (minus the mask wearing for some reason) and is doing so from next week with the Sleepless musical. I'm all for speaking out about getting theatre back and any injustices that impacts that but can we actually make sure we know the facts before kicking off, or at least not spreading false pictures and information? And the TV rights and sponsorships are paying the bills - not the reduced audience. .... |
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Post by jakobo on Aug 18, 2020 6:29:04 GMT
Is he an idiot because he's trying to protect his resources and make sure he can reopen his productions when the situation is more stable and therefore employ all those people again? As bectu says, there is a way for him to minimise the losses he isnt taking, the way other places are What places? Tell me one non-subsidised West End theatre company that hasn't done the same |
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Post by Jan on Aug 18, 2020 8:18:37 GMT
The Crucible has housed this championship and others for getting on 50 years and is far more globally famous as a snooker venue than as a playhouse...... One year they did a production there of The Cherry Orchard. The ancient servant Firs was played by the comedian Eric Sykes. At the first performance on his first entrance he walked on, looked around, and said "I've never played a snooker hall before". The director was furious and phoned Sykes' agent to complain about this unprofessional behaviour. Quite rightly in my view. |
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Post by zahidf on Aug 18, 2020 9:04:43 GMT
As bectu says, there is a way for him to minimise the losses he isnt taking, the way other places are What places? Tell me one non-subsidised West End theatre company that hasn't done the same Bectu haven't criticised the other places the same way they have criticised him. |
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Post by Mark on Aug 18, 2020 9:18:08 GMT
What places? Tell me one non-subsidised West End theatre company that hasn't done the same Bectu haven't criticised the other places the same way they have criticised him. Always the same, unions love to criticise the most prominent companies whilst letting all the others do as they please. See Also: Unite the Union and British Airways. |
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Post by SuperTrooper on Aug 18, 2020 12:33:19 GMT
Bectu haven't criticised the other places the same way they have criticised him. Always the same, unions love to criticise the most prominent companies whilst letting all the others do as they please. See Also: Unite the Union and British Airways. Personally, I think BECTU have done a very good job in difficult circumstances. |
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Post by Mark on Aug 18, 2020 13:30:35 GMT
Always the same, unions love to criticise the most prominent companies whilst letting all the others do as they please. See Also: Unite the Union and British Airways. Personally, I think BECTU have done a very good job in difficult circumstances. Certainly better than Unite, nothing but a shambles. |
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Post by zahidf on Aug 18, 2020 18:31:38 GMT
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Post by Mark on Aug 18, 2020 19:13:41 GMT
It genuinely can't happen soon enough. |
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Post by crowblack on Aug 22, 2020 8:07:59 GMT
There was news last night that two US-based Netflix series that had been set to go ahead have had their second seasons cancelled, for coronavirus-related shooting reasons. At least one of them, I Am Not Okay With This, had a small-town high-school setting, with party scenes and a prom featuring in the first series, so one could see the difficulty if the second series had similar locations, but I do wonder if in general given the infection rate there US productions will be more impacted than here, where Line of Duty is reportedly going ahead and The Crown's new cast announced: those characters were already socially distanced! Working-class / non-Hollywood-location stories could be really affected for the forseeable, and anything with a young cast who obviously won't stop growing while their series is on hold.
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Post by theatreian on Aug 23, 2020 10:47:08 GMT
Just got back yesterday from a week in Cornwall. The hotel really made an effort and had converted a lounge to another dining room so all tables were very socially distant. You really felt very safe with sanitiser everywhere and all food was brought to your table .It was a different experience but enjoyable all the same and the stunning coastal scenery helped.
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Post by theatreian on Aug 23, 2020 11:16:56 GMT
Just read that all the floating cruise festivals have been cancelled as the company has gone into administration. The company was not ABTA bonded either.
Luckily I had not booked, but hopefully those who had did so on a credit card and will be able to get their money back.
On 20 August 2020 Floating Festivals Limited (‘the Company’) was placed into Administration. Richard Ian Williamson and Christopher Brindle of Campbell Crossley & Davis, Seneca House, Amy Johnson Way, Blackpool FY4 2FF were appointed as Joint Administrators.
Unfortunately, the Company was not ABTA bonded. Customers who have paid for cruises by credit or debit card should contact their card provider in the first instance to enquire as to their eligibility for a refund.
You will receive correspondence from the Administrators shortly. However, if you need to contact us you can email floatingfestivals@crossleyd.co.uk or call 01253 349331 between 9am and 5pm. Please be aware that there may be a delay in answering calls.
Ian Williamson (Licence No: 1003) and Christopher Brindle (Licence No: 7074) are licensed as Insolvency Practitioners in the United Kingdom by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales. All of our work is conducted in accordance with the Insolvency Code of Ethics.
The affairs, business and property of the Company are being managed by the Joint Administrators who act as agents of the Company and without personal liability.
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Post by vickyg on Aug 24, 2020 10:06:48 GMT
Cadogan Hall has said they'll start socially distanced performances from 30th September with lunchtime performances. The only thing that continues to perplex me is that they have said that face coverings should be worn 'if you choose to do so'. The Government rules specifically mention concert halls (link to the .gov page below) so I have no idea how this is not mandatory. I'm quite relaxed about doing things and have been to several galleries and the Donmar a couple of times, but I have no intention of sitting in a room with a couple of hundred strangers none of whom are wearing masks! Does anyone have any insight as to why masks are not required? www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own |
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Post by londonpostie on Aug 24, 2020 16:49:38 GMT
I just got an email from the Young Vic: This is the same week I'm going to The Bridge to see one of the new productions, albeit a monologue. About eleven in total the cast of Portia.
I would have preferred a more enlightening correspondence.
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Post by distantcousin on Aug 24, 2020 17:04:57 GMT
The Government announced yesterday that fines are going to increase for non compliance of mask wearing, which All sounds very good and well, but like everything else with this dreadful Government it isn’t policed, the only time things are policed now, if you commit a crime against the great and good of this country. Speaking to my neighbour who is Moroccan told me if you are caught not wearing a mask in public, in his country, no ifs and buts, it is a 3 months prison sentence and they enforce it. I still cannot fathom how they allow to reopen theatre, but have no contact tracing in place. The police have got far better things to do than chasing round fining people who decide to not wear masks.
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 24, 2020 19:38:59 GMT
The Government announced yesterday that fines are going to increase for non compliance of mask wearing, which All sounds very good and well, but like everything else with this dreadful Government it isn’t policed, the only time things are policed now, if you commit a crime against the great and good of this country. Speaking to my neighbour who is Moroccan told me if you are caught not wearing a mask in public, in his country, no ifs and buts, it is a 3 months prison sentence and they enforce it. I still cannot fathom how they allow to reopen theatre, but have no contact tracing in place. The police have got far better things to do than chasing round fining people who decide to not wear masks.
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Post by distantcousin on Aug 25, 2020 11:02:23 GMT
The police have got far better things to do than chasing round fining people who decide to not wear masks.
Wrong
I take it you've been fully sucked in on the propoganda then?
What happened to questioning, critically thinking adults??
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Post by talkingheads on Aug 25, 2020 11:54:19 GMT
I take it you've been fully sucked in on the propoganda then?
What happened to questioning, critically thinking adults??
I wasn't aware mask wearing to protect those around you is propaganda now. |
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Post by danb on Aug 25, 2020 13:04:04 GMT
I struggle with the strength of feeling that people have about masks; like someones getting one over on them, forcing them to do something that won’t benefit them. Not everything is a conspiracy theory or attempt to steal your soul.
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Post by lichtie on Aug 25, 2020 13:36:42 GMT
I take it you've been fully sucked in on the propoganda then?
What happened to questioning, critically thinking adults??
What propaganda? Trying to close down a discussion by appeal to stuff like this just means you've lost the argument. |
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Post by zahidf on Aug 26, 2020 8:45:44 GMT
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Post by vickyg on Aug 26, 2020 8:50:56 GMT
I struggle with the strength of feeling that people have about masks; like someones getting one over on them, forcing them to do something that won’t benefit them. Not everything is a conspiracy theory or attempt to steal your soul. This. I don't understand people who think they have more expertise than the World Health Organisation and they feel so strongly about it they're willing to break the law.
Personally, if wearing a mask is what it takes to regain some semblance of normality, hand 'em over. Yes it's more pleasant not to wear one, but it's also more pleasant to be able to leave the house whenever we want, have jobs, go to galleries, theatres etc. There are an awful lot of laws that would be more convenient not to follow; the number of bus lanes I'd love to drive down and one way streets I'd love to contravene are huge. But I recognise that I'm no more important than the next person who also doesn't break the law. The issue is when people think their supposed knowledge makes them superior and not required to adhere to the rules.
Of course there are people who, for whatever reason, can't wear masks but this will be a small minority.
I work in a hospital. I wear a mask all day. It's really not the end of the world.
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