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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 16:04:22 GMT
It's very tragic from where I sit - on the continent, where theatres plan to re-open from late August/early September without any social distancing. I know the UK is still lagging behind a few weeks, but surely it's an incredibly drastic step to decide NOW to not open until 2021. Sounds to me like it's more of a desperate plea to shake politics up. Yeah - and that is what I wondered. Cam Mac can be slightly diva ish sometimes - does he REALLY think he'll be closed until 2021 or is it a last ditch attempt to get the government to sit up and notice (which would be great if it paid off!) 2021 is such a long way off. How on earth can we know now how things will be in the Autumn! Come the end of summer the fear is that there’ll be a second wave as we go through autumn and winter. With people not working, or fearful of where money might come from over the next 12 months, I just can’t imagine people going to the theatre. Throw in the fact the tourist trade will be all but gone and it becomes so much more than just being ‘allowed’ to start back up again - so CM could be weighing up all these factors and just basically wanting to play it safe and see where things are in 6 to 9 months down the line. I could be completely wrong, but I think smaller fringe theatres with a loyal local audience (and less seats) might weather the storm a little better than bigger commercial ventures.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 16:08:30 GMT
Sad times but completely expected. I think the obvious long runners will come back but I do wonder if anything will take advantage and just bow out, never to return - maybe something like The Mousetrap? I sense a lot of fundraisers once the theatres reopen, with the big names wheeled out to sell tickets. Ian McKellen, for example, bringing his one man show back. I dare say it would be relatively easy (and quick) to put on a few Shakespeare plays too - most of the usual suspects already know the parts anyway and I assume an easy way of putting people back to work (and making some money). I’m trying to think if there’s any recent big sellout plays that could be revived quickly too for quick cash injections, but I’m coming up a bit blank. Because the NT are probably best placed to do something like this. A silver lining on all this could be that a lot of big names could find themselves free in 2021 and happy to lend a hand getting the industry back on its feet (and it’s names that will get bums on seats). A short 12 week run (with maybe 4 weeks rehearsal) isn’t a huge commitment and I dare say there’ll be more than a few household names with such windows of availability.... but of course you can’t plan anything until the government remembers the arts. I think To Kill A Mockingbird will be a huge hit and I believe it was selling really well before the pandemic hit. Sonia Friedman is planning to bring back Jerusalem which if Mark Rylance decides to reprise the role of Rooster could also be a success. I agree on both fronts. I was also thinking Ian McKellen’s King Lear was a huge sell out too - could he be tempted back? Maybe even Godot with Patrick Stewart? All you need is an empty stage and an audience for that one lol.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 17, 2020 16:42:20 GMT
I feel very downcast today. I genuinely never believed that we'd see the year out without shows being back, but unfortunately i'm starting to now think that I've been too optimistic. Unfortunately, whilst i can see theatre being back in some way, these big musicals at the end of the year i was genuinely thinking i would still be seeing up to the last few days...i now cannot see going ahead.
I don't know what that will mean for the local theatres that i have huge personal connection to if they cannot put on their big Christmas musicals and pantomimes, which i now accept is increasingly inevitable . I dread to think.
The thought of not seeing any major theatre until next year, the thought of not stepping foot in my local theatre until next year, the thought of what could be the disastrous result of all this, it's getting to me today. For the first time. The optimism has gone.
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Post by richey on Jun 17, 2020 16:58:06 GMT
I feel very downcast today. I genuinely never believed that we'd see the year out without shows being back, but unfortunately i'm starting to now think that I've been too optimistic. Unfortunately, whilst i can see theatre being back in some way, these big musicals at the end of the year i was genuinely thinking i would still be seeing up to the last few days...i now cannot see going ahead. I don't know what that will mean for the local theatres that i have huge personal connection to if they cannot put on their big Christmas musicals and pantomimes, which i now accept is increasingly inevitable . I dread to think. The thought of not seeing any major theatre until next year, the thought of not stepping foot in my local theatre until next year, the thought of what could be the disastrous result of all this, it's getting to me today. For the first time. The optimism has gone. You're not alone feeling like that. The news today from Cam Mac has been a real downer
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Post by djp on Jun 17, 2020 17:03:27 GMT
Yeah - and that is what I wondered. Cam Mac can be slightly diva ish sometimes - does he REALLY think he'll be closed until 2021 or is it a last ditch attempt to get the government to sit up and notice (which would be great if it paid off!) 2021 is such a long way off. How on earth can we know now how things will be in the Autumn! Come the end of summer the fear is that there’ll be a second wave as we go through autumn and winter. With people not working, or fearful of where money might come from over the next 12 months, I just can’t imagine people going to the theatre. Throw in the fact the tourist trade will be all but gone and it becomes so much more than just being ‘allowed’ to start back up again - so CM could be weighing up all these factors and just basically wanting to play it safe and see where things are in 6 to 9 months down the line. I could be completely wrong, but I think smaller fringe theatres with a loyal local audience (and less seats) might weather the storm a little better than bigger commercial ventures. Indeed. The basic problem though is that theatres fall over on all the basic science. Enclosed spaces mean high viral loads.The recent cases from Germany show enclosed spaces as a source of new infection hotspots even with low levels of infection nationally. Voice production produces stronger flows of air for longer distances - why we had the cases of large choirs almost all gone down with covid 19. Poor airflow and negligible air conditioning in theatres make that problem worse. Social distancing is itself related to time spent at that distance, and even if I metre was tolerable for a minute, it wouldn't be for two or three hours. And if you are there for 2 to 3 hours the poor provision of toilets in cupboard sized attic and basement spaces anyway, becomes a potentially deadly one.
Cameron seems to fail to understand that there is no possibility of getting firm dates on what could happen - when its blindingly obvious that its all dependent on what the threat level is at the time.It looks like a cheap excuse . You patently won't open if there's a second wave, or a local hotspot even if things look like they were going the right way when you decide a plan.
Its not only the lack of tourists which will make current price levels untenable and empty the seats. The out of town audience will have to make a risk assessment . And they will then have to work out how they can travel reliably when trains have limited capacity eat ,when restaurants may have even more limited capacity, and when they have got use to working from home in the suburbs and home counties. And the winter cold and flu season not only complicates any second wave, it means you have a problem getting anyone to sit in a theatre of coughing people, and you need a system of refunds for when people don't want to turn up with what might be a cough or covid . That drives your economics even more into the red.
As the culture secretary said today, you need his study group of professionals from the industry to look at very innovative solutions . Tents, open air , large screens, online theatres all need exploring. And you still may have to wait for the vaccine
In the meantime , perhaps a bit of imagination should be applied and we could start using/renting empty theatre spaces and hotel conference rooms, to meet the demand for extra teaching spaces. And start employing actors- who come with degrees and/or useful skills applicable to English, English Literature, drama, music, physical education, and dance as teaching assistants to meet additional demand there too.
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Post by djp on Jun 17, 2020 17:27:25 GMT
I feel very downcast today. I genuinely never believed that we'd see the year out without shows being back, but unfortunately i'm starting to now think that I've been too optimistic. Unfortunately, whilst i can see theatre being back in some way, these big musicals at the end of the year i was genuinely thinking i would still be seeing up to the last few days...i now cannot see going ahead. I don't know what that will mean for the local theatres that i have huge personal connection to if they cannot put on their big Christmas musicals and pantomimes, which i now accept is increasingly inevitable . I dread to think. The thought of not seeing any major theatre until next year, the thought of not stepping foot in my local theatre until next year, the thought of what could be the disastrous result of all this, it's getting to me today. For the first time. The optimism has gone. Difficult to predict. Small London theatres tend to be in tiny rooms with poor airflow. But the odds of meeting one of the 1 in 1000 people, with covid are lower. Westend theatres will lose much of their international and out of town trade - which includes many of the people paying the higher prices. Conversely, they will have lots of the people used to cheap tickets who won't want to pay more, but won't pay the bills. Separately, the need to level up the areas getting low levels of support for the arts may see the return of the equation showing how much arts money goes to places like Islington compared to the Yorkshires , and Durhams, and cuts in London.
The regional theatres though still have their audience there, and very bored. And with train travel, hotels , and restaurants not the issue they would be on a trip to London, and more City workers working from home, they might be better equipped. They are used to the economics of some shows filling a third to half the theatre. They do however need more shows and fewer gaps in the schedule.
And it all depends on what the covid recession does to spending power and demand, and where. And London is on the losing end of most of those economic arguments too - as office work goes home, tourists stay home, and overseas students stay overseas. .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 18:50:29 GMT
I think smaller theatres will be back before larger theatres. Fringe theatres with seating for less than 200 people could, with some effort, work out a way of doing temperatures tests on anyone entering premises and insisting on face masks. Take names and contact details for everyone in every seat, and ensure patrons are happy for the information to be shared with the NHS should track and trace need to be completed.
But none of that takes into account safety for the performers - are they supposed to perform with masks? Behind giant screens? Regular testing and isolation whilst in a cast? Presumably footballers aren't social distancing during games, people working in shops aren't social distancing from other staff or customers, etc... do the same rules then apply to those on stage? The soaps have all implemented social distancing in their new episodes and major movies have announced they are going to resume shooting (in the UK) towards the end of the year - so without sounding heartless, are we worrying too much about the health of the performers?
In terms of the larger musicals, it devastates me that most of them will most like end up having a full 12 months off (or something very close to it). I thinking about ways the industry could fundraise for itself once everything was allowed back, and I think a series of concert style performances at either the Royal Albert Hall or The o2 could end up being something special: concert musicals have become quite a thing over the last few years and what better way to 'return' than a big celebratory performance? Phantom, Les Mis, Wicked, Hamilton, Joseph, Mamma Mia etc... some of them have been around for decades so could even possibly sell the broadcast rights to ITV.
I don't know... I just can't help but think of all those thousands of people in desperate need of work right now. The arts is hard enough to find steady work in anyway, let alone the entire industry shut down for a year. The repercussions on people in the industry are huge and whilst I know fundraising after the fact doesn't necessarily help people now, just because people are allowed to work again doesn't mean they will - I mean, how many people in the industry will be forced out of London because of this?
The Government needs to do more and social distance performances just won't cut it - nor will streaming live performances (which you just know the government is going to push as ideas are needed to remove culpability). In fairness, I wonder how much money is made through NT Live when they do cinema screenings? With cinemas re-opening it is possibly a way of doing something.... though I doubt the sums add up - but maybe they might as a fundraiser?
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Post by richey on Jun 17, 2020 19:22:10 GMT
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Post by djp on Jun 17, 2020 20:02:35 GMT
I think smaller theatres will be back before larger theatres. Fringe theatres with seating for less than 200 people could, with some effort, work out a way of doing temperatures tests on anyone entering premises and insisting on face masks. Take names and contact details for everyone in every seat, and ensure patrons are happy for the information to be shared with the NHS should track and trace need to be completed. But none of that takes into account safety for the performers - are they supposed to perform with masks? Behind giant screens? Regular testing and isolation whilst in a cast? Presumably footballers aren't social distancing during games, people working in shops aren't social distancing from other staff or customers, etc... do the same rules then apply to those on stage? The soaps have all implemented social distancing in their new episodes and major movies have announced they are going to resume shooting (in the UK) towards the end of the year - so without sounding heartless, are we worrying too much about the health of the performers? In terms of the larger musicals, it devastates me that most of them will most like end up having a full 12 months off (or something very close to it). I thinking about ways the industry could fundraise for itself once everything was allowed back, and I think a series of concert style performances at either the Royal Albert Hall or The o2 could end up being something special: concert musicals have become quite a thing over the last few years and what better way to 'return' than a big celebratory performance? Phantom, Les Mis, Wicked, Hamilton, Joseph, Mamma Mia etc... some of them have been around for decades so could even possibly sell the broadcast rights to ITV. I don't know... I just can't help but think of all those thousands of people in desperate need of work right now. The arts is hard enough to find steady work in anyway, let alone the entire industry shut down for a year. The repercussions on people in the industry are huge and whilst I know fundraising after the fact doesn't necessarily help people now, just because people are allowed to work again doesn't mean they will - I mean, how many people in the industry will be forced out of London because of this? The Government needs to do more and social distance performances just won't cut it - nor will streaming live performances (which you just know the government is going to push as ideas are needed to remove culpability). In fairness, I wonder how much money is made through NT Live when they do cinema screenings? With cinemas re-opening it is possibly a way of doing something.... though I doubt the sums add up - but maybe they might as a fundraiser? Government can't alter the fundamentals of the virus problem. Social distancing is the only method we have short of wearing hazmat suits, and what would be safe passing at 1 metre in a shop, becomes a lethal atmosphere sitting that near for three hours.
Acting and singing is just high risk - it produces high velocity goblets and particles . Thats why there's multiple cases of choirs of about 50 going down with covid after one rehearsal, or 200 going down at church serves. There's a (spit) reason why you don't sit in the front row for Les Mis without a visor anyway . its also difficult to socially distance actors when the script has Eponine dying in Marius's arms . Everyone standing 2 metres a way looking at her dying alone, looks very odd.
All Government could do would be to extend the furlough scheme add support for theatres that would normally pay their own way, , and continue support for the self employed. The Treasury will , however, argue that it can't really politically or practically, distinguish who is in an industry that can't work at all, from one that is working at much lower rates of return -and the bill for paying actors, taxi drivers, travel agents, chefs, beauty technicians, dog walkers and everyone else losing money, would be astronomical. Cameron may be trying to influence that debate - but if he sacks his expert staff he's proving the Treasury's other probable argument that the people will be around to rehire anyway in 2021 or later.
Temperature testing isn't much use when the asymptomatic amount to 40% (WHO) or 70% (ONS) of the cases of infection , and infectivity starts pre temperature. If everyone is wearing a mask its also going to produce a lots of sweaty people. This virus is almost designed to be difficult to treat, and live with, and easy to catch.
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Post by adolphus on Jun 17, 2020 21:54:47 GMT
It's a huge gamble for cinemas too, as people will be very wary of sitting in an enclosed space for a few hours, especially in July, if its hot.
Kudos to Christopher Nolan and Disney for fighting to relaunch the cinema experience with Tenet and Mulan, but I fear its too soon and if the studios don't see decent global theatrical receipts, they won't want to lose money and will make the films available for streaming pretty soon. This would have huge implications for the future of cinemas. The world has changed very quickly, and with it viewers' consumption of mass entertainment.
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Post by theatreian on Jun 17, 2020 22:20:45 GMT
Theatre made the 10 o clock news on IT tonight after the CM announcement. It raised the issues Oliver Dowden mentioned in todays briefing about the discussions with artists and theatre he has had and is having. Lets hope with this renewed focus some plan will emerge. I doubt if big shows will be back this year, I never thought they would really due to so many factors. It must be so worrying for all employed by the business called show that can be fickle at the best of times. Our thoughts are with you all and lets hope the industry can come out the other side ok.
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Post by Mark on Jun 18, 2020 8:45:05 GMT
Glad about all the coverage yesterday. It has put theatre front and centre as an industry in crisis. Now we just need action.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jun 18, 2020 12:09:53 GMT
It's very tragic from where I sit - on the continent, where theatres plan to re-open from late August/early September without any social distancing. I don't think German theatres will open without social distancing, no one actually knows, what the situation will be like then. Local theatres plan on playing with a reduced capacity, as some of them are already, but they are subsidized and can afford it. No commercial theatre can. I guess social distancing will be with us for quite a while.
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Post by viserys on Jun 18, 2020 13:20:09 GMT
It's very tragic from where I sit - on the continent, where theatres plan to re-open from late August/early September without any social distancing. I don't think German theatres will open without social distancing, no one actually knows, what the situation will be like then. Local theatres plan on playing with a reduced capacity, as some of them are already, but they are subsidized and can afford it. No commercial theatre can. I guess social distancing will be with us for quite a while. It depends very much where in Germany as each state has their own rules. Here in NRW shows are on sale from late August onwards without any social distancing. The only requirement is that the producer/venue knows exactly who has sat where, so that people can be traced in case there's an outbreak. My opera in Belgium has also sold season tickets normally with all tickets available from September onwards. Now that 200-300 people are cramming into airplanes for 2-3 hours to get to the Mediterranean beaches again, there really is no excuse why this is allowed and theatres should have to observe ludicrous distancing that makes performances unviable.
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Post by baguette on Jun 18, 2020 14:19:49 GMT
It's very tragic from where I sit - on the continent, where theatres plan to re-open from late August/early September without any social distancing. I don't think German theatres will open without social distancing, no one actually knows, what the situation will be like then. Local theatres plan on playing with a reduced capacity, as some of them are already, but they are subsidized and can afford it. No commercial theatre can. I guess social distancing will be with us for quite a while. Update from France. This weekend is the national 'Fete de la Musique' - some smaller seated outdoors events are going ahead with decisions being made locally by the mayor. The big news is that they've just allowed 2,000 spectators into the Accor Arena de Paris (an indoor venue) for tonight's concert 'Tous Ensemble pour la Musique', which will also be televised on TF1. Here's the protocol: One seat empty between every two seats. Masks are obligatory and handgel will be freely available. They are controlling flow in and out to avoid 'regroupement'. OK that venue normally holds 20,300 but this is an excellent test of the protocols. The tickets are sold out - so that shows a willingness to come back to live events.
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 18, 2020 14:36:25 GMT
I don't think German theatres will open without social distancing, no one actually knows, what the situation will be like then. Local theatres plan on playing with a reduced capacity, as some of them are already, but they are subsidized and can afford it. No commercial theatre can. I guess social distancing will be with us for quite a while. Update from France. This weekend is the national 'Fete de la Musique' - some smaller seated outdoors events are going ahead with decisions being made locally by the mayor. The big news is that they've just allowed 2,000 spectators into the Accor Arena de Paris (an indoor venue) for tonight's concert 'Tous Ensemble pour la Musique', which will also be televised on TF1. Here's the protocol: One seat empty between every two seats. Masks are obligatory and handgel will be freely available. They are controlling flow in and out to avoid 'regroupement'. OK that venue normally holds 20,300 but this is an excellent test of the protocols. The tickets are sold out - so that shows a willingness to come back to live events. A test of what protocols? Allowing 10% of an normal audience into a venue? Who is that gonna help?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 15:00:46 GMT
Update from France. This weekend is the national 'Fete de la Musique' - some smaller seated outdoors events are going ahead with decisions being made locally by the mayor. The big news is that they've just allowed 2,000 spectators into the Accor Arena de Paris (an indoor venue) for tonight's concert 'Tous Ensemble pour la Musique', which will also be televised on TF1. Here's the protocol: One seat empty between every two seats. Masks are obligatory and handgel will be freely available. They are controlling flow in and out to avoid 'regroupement'. OK that venue normally holds 20,300 but this is an excellent test of the protocols. The tickets are sold out - so that shows a willingness to come back to live events. A test of what protocols? Allowing 10% of an normal audience into a venue? Who is that gonna help? One step at a time, innit? We're not going to go from nothing to normal in one bound - things will inevitably go in phases.
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Post by baguette on Jun 18, 2020 15:08:08 GMT
Update from France. This weekend is the national 'Fete de la Musique' - some smaller seated outdoors events are going ahead with decisions being made locally by the mayor. The big news is that they've just allowed 2,000 spectators into the Accor Arena de Paris (an indoor venue) for tonight's concert 'Tous Ensemble pour la Musique', which will also be televised on TF1. Here's the protocol: One seat empty between every two seats. Masks are obligatory and handgel will be freely available. They are controlling flow in and out to avoid 'regroupement'. OK that venue normally holds 20,300 but this is an excellent test of the protocols. The tickets are sold out - so that shows a willingness to come back to live events. A test of what protocols? Allowing 10% of an normal audience into a venue? Who is that gonna help? It helps to kill off the 'no one will buy a ticket' to a live event argument - the market and appetite is there. This concert will get millions of viewers tonight - it's pretty powerful stuff showing venues with an audience again. To put it another way, up until a few days ago, this concert was going ahead with zero audience at all. Paris is (finally) on a route back. ETA And just because it is France, the audience have been asked to wear a tasteful and discreet dark mask. Those Parisiens, eh!
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 18, 2020 15:29:23 GMT
I've just received an email from Cast in Doncaster. I knew there was a reason it's one of my favourite theatres!
"Everything is moving so quickly, and we're ready to respond.
With this is mind, we've made three changes to our terms and conditions, which will protect your booking and give you confidence in the times ahead.
Gift vouchers bought in 2020 will now be valid for 2 years from the date of purchase.
All account credit made in 2020 will now be valid for 2 years from the date it was credited.
All tickets purchased in 2020 or tickets bought for events due to take place in 2020 will benefit from no quibble exchanges, credits and refunds. This means you can get your money back, move performances or use your Cast account credit towards something else, whenever you need to."
Obviously we're already entitled to a full refund if a performance is cancelled, and some theatres do already offer a credit or exchange, but I think Cast is the first theatre on my 'radar' that is now offering a no quibble refund if *I* change my mind. Well done Cast! It's not even owned by a billionaire. 😉
In the months ahead, I think this is going to have to become the norm, rather than the exception.
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Post by fiyero on Jun 18, 2020 16:40:10 GMT
Abby: One step at a time, innit? We're not going to go from nothing to normal in one bound - things will inevitably go in phases. This is what I have to keep saying to people. It’s not the kind of thing where we can say lockdown until the eleventyth of Movember then everything back to normal. It needs to be one step at a time. (Not sure why my quote won’t work properly)
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 18, 2020 16:42:03 GMT
A test of what protocols? Allowing 10% of an normal audience into a venue? Who is that gonna help? It helps to kill off the 'no one will buy a ticket' to a live event argument - the market and appetite is there. This concert will get millions of viewers tonight - it's pretty powerful stuff showing venues with an audience again. To put it another way, up until a few days ago, this concert was going ahead with zero audience at all. Paris is (finally) on a route back. ETA And just because it is France, the audience have been asked to wear a tasteful and discreet dark mask. Those Parisiens, eh! Would be interesting to see what this looks like. 2000 people spread over a 20000 seat arena could look pretty sad and pathetic. I’m guessing they won’t be across the whole venue though.
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Post by clair on Jun 18, 2020 16:48:07 GMT
It helps to kill off the 'no one will buy a ticket' to a live event argument - the market and appetite is there. This concert will get millions of viewers tonight - it's pretty powerful stuff showing venues with an audience again. To put it another way, up until a few days ago, this concert was going ahead with zero audience at all. Paris is (finally) on a route back. ETA And just because it is France, the audience have been asked to wear a tasteful and discreet dark mask. Those Parisiens, eh! Would be interesting to see what this looks like. 2000 people spread over a 20000 seat arena could look pretty sad and pathetic. I’m guessing they won’t be across the whole venue though. I guess a lot depends on whether you are a glass half full or glass half empty person - to me it's not the number of people spread in a big area but the fact that there's an audience. It's a start and that's cause for celebration, the next thing there might have 4000 people if this goes well - theatres will have to start small and work the numbers upwards, anything that can help show that people will buy tickets and turn up is a cause for celebration in my world
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Post by david on Jun 18, 2020 18:12:53 GMT
A great idea from David Hunter -
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 19:52:36 GMT
Would be interesting to see what this looks like. 2000 people spread over a 20000 seat arena could look pretty sad and pathetic. I’m guessing they won’t be across the whole venue though. I guess a lot depends on whether you are a glass half full or glass half empty person - to me it's not the number of people spread in a big area but the fact that there's an audience. It's a start and that's cause for celebration, the next thing there might have 4000 people if this goes well - theatres will have to start small and work the numbers upwards, anything that can help show that people will buy tickets and turn up is a cause for celebration in my world For most of us, our first experience back at the theatre is likely to incorporate some element of social distancing and/or other measures such as wearing a mask. It won't be the glorious return to normal that we all dream of but it will be a million times better than nothing and I'll gladly do whatever it takes to get me back as part of an audience watching live performance. I have a reasonable degree of optimism that by August the situation in the UK will look a lot brighter and it will look perfectly feasible to start opening theatres in Sept/Oct.
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 18, 2020 21:24:26 GMT
I don’t think I could cope with the high level of excitement that audience is displaying. Everyone knows you get the best atmosphere in a theatre that’s only a quarter full!
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Post by The Matthew on Jun 18, 2020 21:41:56 GMT
A great idea from David Hunter - I think that's a terrible idea. People already know what it's like. Anyone who's ever had a power cut knows what it's like. It seems to be exceptionally muddled thinking to imagine that the only way to get people to appreciate something is to deprive them of it as if they're too stupid to understand that it doesn't appear out of thin air. The reason people aren't pouring money into the arts right now is because people aren't pouring money into anything right now apart from medical science and furlough schemes. With limited resources available, minority arts are a thing the world can manage without for a while.
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Post by richey on Jun 18, 2020 21:43:49 GMT
i would have been interested in this but it's only in London
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