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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 9, 2020 10:49:11 GMT
I'm guessing Le Miz, Phantom etc will need to rehearse and then they are off. Assuming the cast are still contracted that is.
For shows that we're planned and sets and costumes had stated to be made will they pushed back towards the end of the year or 2021?
My guess is theatre programming will become very safe for the next few years so I'm expecting lots of Barnums and Bohemes.
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Post by lynette on Apr 9, 2020 11:23:32 GMT
I agree, they will need some good favourites to tempt us back in. Sad for new writers but you never know, there might be a ‘new post viral wave’ as the future theatre historians might term it. Personally it will take something for me to go back into the theatre un gloved, without anti viral spray squirting all I see. TBH I think we are a long way off reopening.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 9, 2020 11:31:04 GMT
I have no idea. What worries me is panto season. If that underdelivers then theatres are in serious trouble, more so than even now.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 9, 2020 12:10:32 GMT
Personally it will take something for me to go back into the theatre un gloved, without anti viral spray squirting all I see. TBH I think we are a long way off reopening. If wearing gloves was sufficient then I'd me much more inclined to go back to theatres when they re-open but it's breathing the virus in that worries me. I already wear gloves whenever I'm out, due to my OCD, & it's effective at not picking up sickness bugs but I still get colds & suchlike airborne diseases, which would include coronavirus. If the recent research that one sneeze can send germs up to 26 feet is correct then one person in a theatre with coronavirus could infect at least half a dozen rows of people. I really cannot think of any practical way that theatres can remove the risk of infection so it may have to be up to individuals to decide if they're prepared to take the risk or not.
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Post by theatreian on Apr 9, 2020 13:38:49 GMT
it's not going to be easy for any public spaces, but particularly theatres , concert venues and cinemas where you are so close to each other. I think it very premature that those who have rescheduled for this side of Christmas as I really think it is going to take some months for it to be starting to see any sort of solution to the dilemma as to what to do about these venues. It is quite depressing really but you have to be realistic. I don't really fancy sitting next to someone you don't know , not knowing whether they have it/ have had it etc, especially as it so easily transmittable. There are so many questions that are unanswered at the moment , nor can they be until we are further down the road with more evidence and until science catches up with some solutions. On that cheery note have a happy Easter and be thankful for what we have.
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Post by lynette on Apr 9, 2020 13:39:41 GMT
Personally it will take something for me to go back into the theatre un gloved, without anti viral spray squirting all I see. TBH I think we are a long way off reopening. If wearing gloves was sufficient then I'd me much more inclined to go back to theatres when they re-open but it's breathing the virus in that worries me. I already wear gloves whenever I'm out, due to my OCD, & it's effective at not picking up sickness bugs but I still get colds & suchlike airborne diseases, which would include coronavirus. If the recent research that one sneeze can send germs up to 26 feet is correct then one person in a theatre with coronavirus could infect at least half a dozen rows of people. I really cannot think of any practical way that theatres can remove the risk of infection so it may have to be up to individuals to decide if they're prepared to take the risk or not. I will have to afford a box! Limit the contact and the germ distance.
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 9, 2020 17:19:40 GMT
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 10, 2020 17:46:40 GMT
I found a point in this article interesting www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52246319 It says "Their contact-tracing method would work by using a smartphone's Bluetooth signals to determine to whom the owner had recently been in proximity for long enough to have established contagion a risk." So what happens in a theatre where everyone has turned off their mobile phones? If none of the phones are getting a signal then presumably it won't register if you were sat near to someone who is subsequently established to already have had coronavirus at that point. Is turning off your mobile phone in theatres suddenly going to become a bad thing to do?!
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Post by fiyero on Apr 10, 2020 18:42:41 GMT
I’m not sure how many people turn their phone all the way off, Bluetooth still works on silent mode, or as soon as they walk into the theatre. It will never be a foolproof method anyway, not everyone has smartphones
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Post by ceebee on Apr 10, 2020 18:58:25 GMT
Sooner or later we will need to get things moving again and accept the risk we all face. Those who know they are higher risk will need to take necessary precautions. The economy and theatre can't stay on hold forever, nor do I want to spend the rest of my life in an anti-bac bubble. Likeliest outcome will be one or more vaccines - can't come soon enough for me. (Oh and certain folk need to stop eating bats and dogs.) Theatre will return to normal - it has to in order to survive. The idea of socially distant seating appals me.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 10, 2020 19:11:33 GMT
Sooner or later we will need to get things moving again and accept the risk we all face. Those who know they are higher risk will need to take necessary precautions. The economy and theatre can't stay on hold forever, nor do I want to spend the rest of my life in an anti-bac bubble. Likeliest outcome will be one or more vaccines - can't come soon enough for me. (Oh and certain folk need to stop eating bats and dogs.) Theatre will return to normal - it has to in order to survive. The idea of socially distant seating appals me. Might be 1-2 years before it does - and even
And global travel won't come back for a very long time- a lot of the cheap holidays abroad might well be gone forever - that will heavily affect many london shows - It might not be till a vaccine comes that Brits will be allowed to go to New York or Australia or New Zealand.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 10, 2020 19:12:25 GMT
Sad for new writers but you never know, there might be a ‘new post viral wave’ as the future theatre historians might term it. They tend to be younger and often write for a younger, smaller cast and younger audience, so maybe that sort of theatre will be the first to come back? Open air theatre might be more popular too. I do think it's going to be a write-off for months if not years, until a vaccine is found. And what of things like TV and film? The cast-of-thousands, multiple location fantasy epic looks doomed for a while, and anything requiring a studio audience, unless they can be vetted.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 10, 2020 19:27:10 GMT
Therefore I predict the tourist dominated London shows will end - as even after vaccination flights will be only for those who can afford it- i suspect the majority of Brits will never be able to afford to travel outside Europe until at least 2024. Don't expect anyone from the USA to perform here until after vaccination
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Post by ceebee on Apr 10, 2020 21:08:16 GMT
The world has to start turning again, just as it did after 9/11. And it will. Economically, we all have no option as markets are interdependent and businesses are global. We may have to accept combo of higher death rates and higher risk till vaccines appear. After all, death to infection ratio typically ranges from 2-4% with 6-10% for exceptional cases. It will come down to how many trillions of debt we want to preload for future generations. Plus, without wanting to sound callous, more folk have died in Syria and many other war zones through deliberate human decisions and interventions. Millions died in World wars. Covid 19 has proved containable with a lower impact than might otherwise have been expected. Mass lockdowns needed to happen as nobody knew how severe it might get; with every passing day we have a better idea of the numbers, rate of infections and deaths. We now need a plan to kick start the global economy otherwise in the long term more people will die of poverty or hyperinflation than the coronavirus.
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Post by Mark on Apr 10, 2020 21:22:46 GMT
I’m not sure how many people turn their phone all the way off, Bluetooth still works on silent mode, or as soon as they walk into the theatre. It will never be a foolproof method anyway, not everyone has smartphones If I had an app on my phone using Bluetooth for a few hours, I'd be out of batter before I knew it! Plus, lots of the population aren't technically literate.
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Post by horton on Apr 11, 2020 8:24:00 GMT
Following the uniquely massive financial stimulus and support for those who can't work, the government will be penniless.
Expect savage cuts to all "non-essential" services, including to the Arts: a swathe of funded venues and companies face closure.
If you thought austerity was bad...
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Post by NeilVHughes on Apr 11, 2020 8:42:12 GMT
It will be interesting what happens when the first Country defaults on its debt.
From the IMF Jan 2019: Global debt has reached an all-time high of $184 trillion in nominal terms, the equivalent of 225 percent of GDP in 2017. On average, the world’s debt now exceeds $86,000 in per capita terms, which is more than 2½ times the average income per-capita.
Debt is even higher now, a house of cards waiting to collapse.
Not sure how this will affect Theatre but turbulent times ahead and I definitely will need a functioning Theatrical scene as a distraction.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 11, 2020 9:54:01 GMT
Sadly I fear theatre will be one of the biggest casualties of the post Covid world. This will be the worst recession ever seen in our or indeed any lifetime and the fallout will be huge. People will have very little money to buy tickets never mind theatres having the infrastructure in place to reopen. Ticket prices may have to rise, making theatre even more exclusive than it was. And this is before the issue of audiences willingly flocking to confined spaces again, which could take years. I hate to be negative but it is better to be realistic than optimistic projections I think. As a little positive, and an indication of what theatre could look like post Covid, the St Helens Theatre Royal are streaming an Easter panto every day over Easter: theguideliverpool.com/st-helens-theatre-royal-are-bringing-rapunzel-the-lockdown-panto-to-your-house-this-easter/
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Post by basdfg on Apr 11, 2020 10:08:54 GMT
Following the uniquely massive financial stimulus and support for those who can't work, the government will be penniless. Expect savage cuts to all "non-essential" services, including to the Arts: a swathe of funded venues and companies face closure. If you thought austerity was bad... It also be quite nationalistic so shows that seen as more alternative will be out of favour.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 11, 2020 10:12:10 GMT
I think those businesses in the leisure and entertainment industry who manage to ride the storm and survive will absolutely boom when things return to normal. Look at the way people behave the minute you tell them they can’t do something... they insist that the absolutely must do it. I think pubs and restaurants will be full, people will be out shopping, and yes I think Theatres will find themselves selling lots of tickets.
That’s not to underplay the plight of the many people who will be out of business or unemployed and won’t be able to afford to do those things, but as we know there always seems to be plenty of people with money to spend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 10:23:51 GMT
A lot of Fringe theatres will go out of business.
Those that remain will be uber cautious with their programming for the next few years which means mostly proven classics/new work from established writers and less new writers getting a platform.
It wouldn't surprise me if The National had a season of famous musicals and a lot of Shakespeare.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 11, 2020 10:41:54 GMT
I think cinemas will struggle just as much - films might lose the Chinese market for films (if an embargo is put in place by the USA government) so that will filter through a lot. The New Mulan might never get a cinema release as an anti Chinese mood will put people going to see it.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 11, 2020 11:15:39 GMT
It also be quite nationalistic so shows that seen as more alternative will be out of favour. I think we'll see an increase in nationalism everywhere (though that had already started), but the art scene was very strong and experimental between the wars and was also very creative when I was growing up in the near-wasteland that was the North of England (though sadly, I'm not old enough to remember the Liverpool Everyman in the 70s). If anything, it has been a lot more conservative recently. In the 80s, the post-industrial landscape with cheap rents gave people rehearsal and perfomance spaces that were lost to developers in the property boom of recent years. And London may cease to be a draw, with its lifestyle of putting family and other considerations on hold while you develop your career from a tiny overpriced househare. As with the era post WW1, maybe a more seize the day attitude will follow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 11:19:56 GMT
It's all speculation but to give a less pessimistic view - when I speak (virtually) to friends, one thing that comes up all the time is how much people miss communal experience, whatever that might be - the pub, parties, clubs, gigs, cinema and theatre; one person who is a confirmed atheist even said she feels sad walking past churches and feels a need to go inside and find a service she can join. There seems to be a general craving to experience things together in a way that technology just can't replicate.
And many people, particularly in London, are working from home being paid exactly the same and therefore are saving loads of money because there's nothing to spend it on currently. I can easily foresee a huge splurge on all the things we've missed when restrictions are lifted and a greater appreciation of them. Yes, there will probably be a residual nervousness about big gatherings amongst some people for a while since we are now internalising a sense that other people are potentially dangerous to us and us to them, but people are generally adaptive and forgetful; the new normal quickly pushes out the old normal, as these strange days show.
I will certainly be back in the theatres as soon as they open. And definitely pubs and restaurants as well, I have already had enough of my own cooking. And I predict there will be queues around the block for a haircut as soon as the hairdressers open again...!
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Post by basdfg on Apr 11, 2020 12:04:08 GMT
Also many people will quit working in the performing arts while the ending of the cruise ship industry (nobody expects it to recover in any meaningful way) will create higher competiton for theatre work.
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