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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 12:39:22 GMT
It is very simple. The better Labour does, the worse for Brexit. The worse Labour does, the better for Brexit. I am not making a party point but a psephological one. All the Leave votes go to Johnson. Remain vote is split. Depends on who the labour candidate is. Nineteen labour MPs have led us to this point by voting Johnson’s bill through. Long Bailey, just this morning, made it clear that she will campaign for a Labour Brexit (and this is undoubtedly true for Corbyn as well). This debate between Corbyn and Johnson is a stitch up in favour of pro Brexiters, all they are arguing about is whether to have a Labour or Tory version of it. |
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 3, 2019 13:10:53 GMT
Labour will organize a people's vote after coming up with any deal, Tories will do everything to prevent that because they know the don't have a majority. That's a big difference.
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Post by hulmeman on Nov 3, 2019 13:19:16 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 13:32:30 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed! It’s just that he is not personally standing, thy are still going to be contesting all but a small number of constituencies. Although I have no time for his view, Farage has a compelling point. That being that the Withdrawal Agreement bill is not Brexit, it is continued EU membership apart from having no say. Brexit would not happen for another couple of years or more. With the DUP already being betrayed he has a compelling narrative to sell. If nothing else, the big lie of ‘get Brexit done’ needs to be destroyed from all sides. It is the worst sort of untruth, one done in the knowledge that, if you can con people long enough, then you get the spoils and nobody can do anything about it. It’s how Trump is still there. The only silver lining is that, when they fall, they fall big. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 13:36:56 GMT
Labour will organize a people's vote after coming up with any deal, Tories will do everything to prevent that because they know the don't have a majority. That's a big difference. Labour’s chances of having a majority are very, very slim. As such, the MPs will, as they have done, feel free to vote for Johnson’s deal, if his party need the votes. Study your local candidates very closely before making decision. Will they support a Labour Brexit, a Tory Brexit or none? |
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Post by olliebean on Nov 3, 2019 17:59:53 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed! If Farage became an MP he would have to give up his better paying job as an MEP. I can't imagine why he doesn't want to stand. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 3, 2019 20:13:52 GMT
Labour will organize a people's vote after coming up with any deal, Tories will do everything to prevent that because they know the don't have a majority. That's a big difference. Labour’s chances of having a majority are very, very slim. As such, the MPs will, as they have done, feel free to vote for Johnson’s deal, if his party need the votes. Study your local candidates very closely before making decision. Will they support a Labour Brexit, a Tory Brexit or none? Been a good week for Labour. Enter Purdah and it will get better |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 3, 2019 20:15:00 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed! If Farage became an MP he would have to give up his better paying job as an MEP. I can't imagine why he doesn't want to stand. Seen his arse, again |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 22:39:35 GMT
Labour’s chances of having a majority are very, very slim. As such, the MPs will, as they have done, feel free to vote for Johnson’s deal, if his party need the votes. Study your local candidates very closely before making decision. Will they support a Labour Brexit, a Tory Brexit or none? Been a good week for Labour. Enter Purdah and it will get better They need it to start being reflected in the polls as, at the moment, they are an average of 10% behind. The campaign launch struck me as being too London focused, the seats they need to win are in the Midlands and North and policy focus should be more targetted at them. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 3, 2019 22:40:42 GMT
Been a good week for Labour. Enter Purdah and it will get better They need it to start being reflected in the polls as, at the moment, they are an average of 10% behind. The campaign launch struck me as being too London focused, the seats they need to win are in the Midlands and North and policy focus should be more targetted at them. 15% last week. That's a decent week. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 22:44:01 GMT
They need it to start being reflected in the polls as, at the moment, they are an average of 10% behind. The campaign launch struck me as being too London focused, the seats they need to win are in the Midlands and North and policy focus should be more targetted at them. 15% last week. That's a decent week. No, that was an extreme outlier, it’s around a 2% improvement. As my own vote should attest, what you are getting in that 2% is tactical votes from lib dems, that needs to be reciprocated with a lib dem boost from labour tactical voters in the right areas now. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 3, 2019 23:10:17 GMT
15% last week. That's a decent week. No, that was an extreme outlier, it’s around a 2% improvement. As my own vote should attest, what you are getting in that 2% is tactical votes from lib dems, that needs to be reciprocated with a lib dem boost from labour tactical voters in the right areas now. Yep just the start, the gap will close as Corbyn will be shown on television over the next few weeks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 23:47:49 GMT
No, that was an extreme outlier, it’s around a 2% improvement. As my own vote should attest, what you are getting in that 2% is tactical votes from lib dems, that needs to be reciprocated with a lib dem boost from labour tactical voters in the right areas now. Yep just the start, the gap will close as Corbyn will be shown on television over the next few weeks. A prediction we will need to look back on with some regularity, to check on its accuracy! |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 4, 2019 0:15:20 GMT
Yep just the start, the gap will close as Corbyn will be shown on television over the next few weeks. A prediction we will need to look back on with some regularity, to check on its accuracy! Let's hope so, or it is Boris and Cummings Brexit and a right wing Tory government |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 2:40:24 GMT
We still don't know if JC and Boris are vote winners or vote losers. If ever Jo Swinson needs to remain sensible and have a gaff free campaign then this is it. I can see one of JC or Boris shooting themselves in the foot somehow.
Nigel Farage not standing as an MP makes sense as he can go on the national campaign and have a free hand at that.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 4, 2019 7:39:58 GMT
We still don't know if JC and Boris are vote winners or vote losers. If ever Jo Swinson needs to remain sensible and have a gaff free campaign then this is it. I can see one of JC or Boris shooting themselves in the foot somehow. Nigel Farage not standing as an MP makes sense as he can go on the national campaign and have a free hand at that. I thought he decided not to stand as he wouldn't get elected |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 14:23:59 GMT
We now have the the Election of a New Speaker this afternoon. But what if the make up of Parliament changes next month and the new Parliament wants another speaker who is more along their lines of thinking?
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Post by lynette on Nov 4, 2019 14:29:59 GMT
The speaker isn’t supposed to be along anyone's line of thinking. He runs the debates and knows about procedure. He is meant to be even handed in calling members to speak and in allowing stuff to be put forward.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 4, 2019 15:17:26 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed! Yeap god forbid he would want to work in Parliament the bastion of British politics. When this is out of the way, he be off to the right wing talking tour in the US. |
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 24, 2019 12:48:07 GMT
Is this BBC news footage doctored?
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Post by Latecomer on Nov 24, 2019 13:23:53 GMT
Is this BBC news footage doctored? Yes. I have complained to the BBC. You cannot edit to miss out a section (including crowd laughing in derision, him faffing, and some of his answer) as it changes the tone of the piece, and as the editing is seamless it misleads the viewer. |
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Post by Latecomer on Nov 24, 2019 13:31:14 GMT
And if you watch closely the second “absolutely vital” does not seem to be from that question? Look at the x behind him, it’s in different places on the two clips ....this second “absolutely vital” is not right.... word emphasis also subtly different.
BBC please stop this!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 14:14:54 GMT
Well....
This will come as no surprise to anyone but the Question Time audience is made up of a ‘representative’ percentage of voters (supposedly this was on number of MPs elected for this one) and that places are offered to political parties on that basis as they don’t have many ‘normal people’ applying (and who can blame them?). You can see it fact checked elsewhere (properly, not a fake tory one) but Labour and Tory members have already been outed as being the supposedly everyday voter on that, and other similar, programmes. I came to despise the question time audiences of the last few years and I never quite understood why until this change over the years was revealed. I stopped watching at that point (made an exception for last Friday, only to find it has got even worse), it’s just party members screaming at each other and at any panel member who dares to not agree with their party.
That was not an audience it was a bunch of ideological mouthpieces doing the almost impossible task of making politicians look measured and sane in comparison.
EDIT: just seeing the Conservative manifesto launch it’s apparently been replaced by an after dinner speech instead. Still, what do you expect from a politician who is only there because people saw him doing that sort of stuff on the telly?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:01:50 GMT
A few bits of theatre related election news that may have been missed. Ex Telegraph theatre critic Tim Walker was down to run for the Lib Dems in Canterbury but caused a kerfuffle by standing down just before the candidate deadline because he didn’t want to split the remain vote. By far the biggest party donor in the last period was theatre producer John Gore. Over a million quid to the Conservatives. Opera singer Lore Lixenberg (also involved in Berberiam Sound Studio etc.) is standing in Diane Abbott’s constituency. “Her policies include free music lessons on an instrument of choice for all children, as well as “some kind of regular musical activity” to be made mandatory for all institutions and businesses, as well as believing that many of society’s problems could be addressed if consumption decreased and creativity increased.” Actor Richard Ings (no, me neither) is also standing there for the Brexit Party (was in the Revolutionary Communist party in the past so a hell of a political journey, not unlike the Spiked crew). www.hackneycitizen.co.uk/2019/11/20/all-hackney-general-election-candidates-policies/ |
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 28, 2019 8:59:03 GMT
Unless the BBC shows Corbyn on his allotment or in similarly homely terms, this could look like 'client journalism'. Perhaps Johnson will still match the other leaders in being interviewed by Andrew Neil or taking part in the Climate debate tonight, or perhaps we will just be left with more of these cheery, unchallenged clips from Auntie beeb:
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