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Post by londonpostie on Dec 24, 2019 20:13:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 1:12:27 GMT
Dan Jarvis has effectively taken a back seat in Westminster as he is also a City Mayor. I had thought he'd give up his seat at the last election as most elected Mayors tend to do as Sadiq Khan, Boris, Andy Burnham etc all did. So did he retain his Parliamentary seat with the thought of running for Labour Leadership in mind?
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 25, 2019 20:16:00 GMT
Dan Jarvis has effectively taken a back seat in Westminster as he is also a City Mayor. I had thought he'd give up his seat at the last election as most elected Mayors tend to do as Sadiq Khan, Boris, Andy Burnham etc all did. So did he retain his Parliamentary seat with the thought of running for Labour Leadership in mind? Yep, the role is basically not much more than the mayor of Sheffield. I think pre-Corbyn he did Shadow as a junior Minister and was definitely offered a promotion by Corbyn not least becasue, at the time, Labour was having trouble filling shadow front bench portfolios. Perhaps the mayoral thing came up at the right time - my reading is it has added to the cv at a time he was happier keeping his head down.
I looked at the bookies earlier. Kier Starmer is 3/1, Jarvis 40/1.
It may well be he's angling for Defence, or another solid stepping stone.
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Post by lynette on Dec 25, 2019 22:23:01 GMT
Starmer the caretaker I expect until they see who gets traction over the next year or so. It would be daft to go into an election with anyone from this time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 21:30:32 GMT
Starmer the caretaker I expect until they see who gets traction over the next year or so. It would be daft to go into an election with anyone from this time. A caretaker leader could make sense but if you are going for a younger rising star then best to get them in-situ ASAP to give them as much time as possible to get things right. The idea of a caretaker could be someone who is acceptable to both sides of the party and who could do some of the dirty work of putting things in order to then to move onto a more modernising candidate in a couple of years. I think Sir Kier would want the top job long term. He decided to become an MP when he could easily have made much more money going back to being a QC or even taken a seat as a Labour Peer in the Lords. But he decided to be an MP which I respect him for. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 26, 2019 22:21:48 GMT
So far so good. Managing to grit teeth whenever a cliche headline is thrown into conversation with careless abandon and no proof whatsoever. Have discovered the hard way over the last few months that facts do not matter and it’s no use being well informed as everyone thinks all politicians are as bad as each other and they all lie. Have perfected the quizzical eyebrow raise and am mentally trying to forgive people who have been gaslighted for years by the press. May have been heard muttering “the young won’t forgive you” in dark corners....
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 27, 2019 8:57:47 GMT
Starmer the caretaker I expect until they see who gets traction over the next year or so. It would be daft to go into an election with anyone from this time. A caretaker leader could make sense but if you are going for a younger rising star then best to get them in-situ ASAP to give them as much time as possible to get things right. The idea of a caretaker could be someone who is acceptable to both sides of the party and who could do some of the dirty work of putting things in order to then to move onto a more modernising candidate in a couple of years. I think Sir Kier would want the top job long term. He decided to become an MP when he could easily have made much more money going back to being a QC or even taken a seat as a Labour Peer in the Lords. But he decided to be an MP which I respect him for. Labour did really badly at the election as a result of their Brexit policy. Not sure the Brexit minister and a strong remainer is quite the right direction for the party at this stage |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 2:14:28 GMT
A caretaker leader could make sense but if you are going for a younger rising star then best to get them in-situ ASAP to give them as much time as possible to get things right. The idea of a caretaker could be someone who is acceptable to both sides of the party and who could do some of the dirty work of putting things in order to then to move onto a more modernising candidate in a couple of years. I think Sir Kier would want the top job long term. He decided to become an MP when he could easily have made much more money going back to being a QC or even taken a seat as a Labour Peer in the Lords. But he decided to be an MP which I respect him for. Labour did really badly at the election as a result of their Brexit policy. Not sure the Brexit minister and a strong remainer is quite the right direction for the party at this stage Labour's default political stance would likely be to remain and virtually all their MPs are likely to be remainers. Once the Brexit Bill is passed and out of the House of Commons hands then I think we will get back to more political normality so Labour will probably look at candidates views on a lot of other topics. We have to find out the timetable for the Leadership Election and who will definitely stand. No doubt at the moment a few people are taking soundings to see if they might have enough support to run and looking to forge alliances. Once Parliament is back early next month we will likely hear more. But Labour will need a decent amount of time to conduct the election like the Tories did earlier this year and have to try and find the right candidate. They cannot afford to make a hasty decision and if it is say March/April before we know who the next leader is then so be it. JC is still in situ and can oversee things until then. |
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Post by lynette on Dec 28, 2019 20:05:46 GMT
How can JC get up in front of what is left of his party in the Commons and pretend he speaks for them? How can he question the government on anything when he doesn’t know what Labour is supposed to think or disagrees with the people behind him? Not to mention the inevitable reaction of the Conservatives. I fear the dignity of the Commons will be further eroded.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 21:39:49 GMT
The phrase "The Tragedy of the Commons" is taking on a whole new meaning these days.
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Post by Nicholas on Jan 7, 2020 15:51:45 GMT
So...
As our beloved new Prime Minister fails at his first serious challenge (if only we'd had some hint that Boris Johnson wasn't competent when dealing with Iran)...
And a devastating war stands on the precipice...
And British democracy begins its slow descent into at best ineptitude and at worst...
Our opposition is challenging him using a hashtag from Cats.
#MaCavitysNotThere
Welcome to the 2020s.
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