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Post by londonpostie on Nov 1, 2019 12:53:57 GMT
I didn't claim it was treason. I didn't claim it was assault. It was a death threat. Maybe he was drunk, or high. Maybe he's the sort of person who carries a knife when he's drunk, or high. Probably he isn't. But he might be, and that's why making death threats is a crime. Are you seriously suggesting that this is OK - whether they're aimed at Anna Soubry or Priti Patel? Man was convicted of a specific criminal offence under the 1988 Act i.e. 'intent to cause distress or anxiety'.
Problem with using 'death threats' it implies fear of death (as per the hair-on-fire agenda). This caused anxiety (heated rollers).
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Post by n1david on Nov 1, 2019 13:07:45 GMT
I didn't claim it was treason. I didn't claim it was assault. It was a death threat. Maybe he was drunk, or high. Maybe he's the sort of person who carries a knife when he's drunk, or high. Probably he isn't. But he might be, and that's why making death threats is a crime. Are you seriously suggesting that this is OK - whether they're aimed at Anna Soubry or Priti Patel? Man was convicted of a specific criminal offence under the 1988 Act i.e. 'intent to cause distress or anxiety'. Problem with using 'death threats' it implies fear of death (as per the hair-on-fire agenda). This caused anxiety (heated rollers).
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Nov 1, 2019 13:10:30 GMT
Man was convicted of a specific criminal offence under the 1988 Act i.e. 'intent to cause distress or anxiety'. Problem with using 'death threats' it implies fear of death (as per the hair-on-fire agenda). This caused anxiety (heated rollers).
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Ironic, really. "Going postal is an American English slang phrase referring to becoming extremely and uncontrollably angry, often to the point of violence, and usually in a workplace environment. The expression derives from a series of incidents from 1986 onward in which United States Postal Service (USPS) workers shot and killed managers, fellow workers, and members of the police or general public in acts of mass murder." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 1, 2019 13:17:29 GMT
Farage is again reaching out to Bonking Boris. NF is desperate for power and attention I wonder if he will have any luck, I hope not and hope he splits the Brexit vote
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 1, 2019 14:23:37 GMT
Man was convicted of a specific criminal offence under the 1988 Act i.e. 'intent to cause distress or anxiety'. Problem with using 'death threats' it implies fear of death (as per the hair-on-fire agenda). This caused anxiety (heated rollers).
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Talk to me about issues, or don't talk to me at all. I don't know you, you don't know me. It will stay that way.
And for Gods sake stop shuffling around goalposts like no one notices.
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Post by lynette on Nov 1, 2019 14:28:34 GMT
Indeed we don't know each other on the Board except through this Board and we try to maintain a courteous exchange of views. Or we might as well be MPs 🤪
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 1, 2019 14:36:49 GMT
What I'm concerned about is that the general public isn't intelligent enough for tactical voting, whatever the political preference. Studies show that it's a very complicated process and that people tend to believe and convince themselves that their first preference will succeed because it's what they hope for but that does not necessarily translate to reality and it seems very difficult to actually go for the tactical vote in the end, it's human nature.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 1, 2019 15:38:05 GMT
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Talk to me about issues, or don't talk to me at all. I don't know you, you don't know me. It will stay that way.
And for Gods sake stop shuffling around goalposts like no one notices.
Is it an issue you won't answer the question if making death threats is ok?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 1, 2019 15:39:24 GMT
Changing subject but not letting you change the subject, why Royal Fail. I have a friend in junior middle management at Royal Mail and I was telling him about you
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 1, 2019 15:41:37 GMT
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Talk to me about issues, or don't talk to me at all. I don't know you, you don't know me. It will stay that way.
And for Gods sake stop shuffling around goalposts like no one notices.
And last question, what does shuffling around goalposts mean? A goal hanger looking for the easy open goal? Been trying to get the reference
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 1, 2019 15:44:36 GMT
Farage is again reaching out to Bonking Boris. NF is desperate for power and attention I wonder if he will have any luck, I hope not and hope he splits the Brexit vote Read NF as National Front, guess I am of an age. Not far out I guess. Still, welcome to the game Farage
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 1, 2019 16:06:25 GMT
Farage is again reaching out to Bonking Boris. NF is desperate for power and attention I wonder if he will have any luck, I hope not and hope he splits the Brexit vote Read NF as National Front, guess I am of an age. Not far out I guess. Still, welcome to the game Farage It was my intention. Perhaps cruel but then so is Farage
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Post by poster J on Nov 1, 2019 21:52:27 GMT
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Talk to me about issues, or don't talk to me at all. I don't know you, you don't know me. It will stay that way.
And for Gods sake stop shuffling around goalposts like no one notices.
People are talking to you about issues, specifically the issue of death threats being made against those in public office. The specific question asked, which you very overtly ignored, was whether (regardless of the sanction actually imposed) you thought making death threats (or, if you want to be even more specific, making people anxious or afraid that there is a risk to their life purely because of the job they do) is OK. If you want to talk about issues, then answer the question please, otherwise experience on other threads suggests that you are either incapable or unwilling to have a rational discussion and debate with those who (shock horror, it's a forum) disagree with you, or you are trolling the threads relating to politics. That is certainly the impression you have been creating for a number of weeks now as far as I'm concerned. If you don't like people passionately disagreeing with you, then the politics threads may not be the best place to post. As far as I can see, the only one shuffling goalposts in this thread at the minute is you.
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 3, 2019 8:55:03 GMT
It is very simple. The better Labour does, the worse for Brexit. The worse Labour does, the better for Brexit. I am not making a party point but a psephological one.
All the Leave votes go to Johnson. Remain vote is split.
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Post by olliebean on Nov 3, 2019 11:18:21 GMT
It is very simple. The better Labour does, the worse for Brexit. The worse Labour does, the better for Brexit. I am not making a party point but a psephological one. All the Leave votes go to Johnson. Remain vote is split. I suspect a lot depends on how many of the leave votes go to the Brexit party.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Nov 3, 2019 12:39:22 GMT
It is very simple. The better Labour does, the worse for Brexit. The worse Labour does, the better for Brexit. I am not making a party point but a psephological one. All the Leave votes go to Johnson. Remain vote is split. Depends on who the labour candidate is. Nineteen labour MPs have led us to this point by voting Johnson’s bill through. Long Bailey, just this morning, made it clear that she will campaign for a Labour Brexit (and this is undoubtedly true for Corbyn as well). This debate between Corbyn and Johnson is a stitch up in favour of pro Brexiters, all they are arguing about is whether to have a Labour or Tory version of it.
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 3, 2019 13:10:53 GMT
Labour will organize a people's vote after coming up with any deal, Tories will do everything to prevent that because they know the don't have a majority. That's a big difference.
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Post by hulmeman on Nov 3, 2019 13:19:16 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed!
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Nov 3, 2019 13:32:30 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed! It’s just that he is not personally standing, thy are still going to be contesting all but a small number of constituencies. Although I have no time for his view, Farage has a compelling point. That being that the Withdrawal Agreement bill is not Brexit, it is continued EU membership apart from having no say. Brexit would not happen for another couple of years or more. With the DUP already being betrayed he has a compelling narrative to sell. If nothing else, the big lie of ‘get Brexit done’ needs to be destroyed from all sides. It is the worst sort of untruth, one done in the knowledge that, if you can con people long enough, then you get the spoils and nobody can do anything about it. It’s how Trump is still there. The only silver lining is that, when they fall, they fall big.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Nov 3, 2019 13:36:56 GMT
Labour will organize a people's vote after coming up with any deal, Tories will do everything to prevent that because they know the don't have a majority. That's a big difference. Labour’s chances of having a majority are very, very slim. As such, the MPs will, as they have done, feel free to vote for Johnson’s deal, if his party need the votes. Study your local candidates very closely before making decision. Will they support a Labour Brexit, a Tory Brexit or none?
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Post by olliebean on Nov 3, 2019 17:59:53 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed! If Farage became an MP he would have to give up his better paying job as an MEP. I can't imagine why he doesn't want to stand.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 3, 2019 20:13:52 GMT
Labour will organize a people's vote after coming up with any deal, Tories will do everything to prevent that because they know the don't have a majority. That's a big difference. Labour’s chances of having a majority are very, very slim. As such, the MPs will, as they have done, feel free to vote for Johnson’s deal, if his party need the votes. Study your local candidates very closely before making decision. Will they support a Labour Brexit, a Tory Brexit or none? Been a good week for Labour. Enter Purdah and it will get better
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 3, 2019 20:15:00 GMT
I see Farage has given up the ghost before the whole nonsense kicks off in favour of sniping on the side. Shame in a way because I had hoped his raving looney party would have split the tory vote. Perhaps it will still fingers crossed! If Farage became an MP he would have to give up his better paying job as an MEP. I can't imagine why he doesn't want to stand. Seen his arse, again
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Nov 3, 2019 22:39:35 GMT
Labour’s chances of having a majority are very, very slim. As such, the MPs will, as they have done, feel free to vote for Johnson’s deal, if his party need the votes. Study your local candidates very closely before making decision. Will they support a Labour Brexit, a Tory Brexit or none? Been a good week for Labour. Enter Purdah and it will get better They need it to start being reflected in the polls as, at the moment, they are an average of 10% behind. The campaign launch struck me as being too London focused, the seats they need to win are in the Midlands and North and policy focus should be more targetted at them.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 3, 2019 22:40:42 GMT
Been a good week for Labour. Enter Purdah and it will get better They need it to start being reflected in the polls as, at the moment, they are an average of 10% behind. The campaign launch struck me as being too London focused, the seats they need to win are in the Midlands and North and policy focus should be more targetted at them. 15% last week. That's a decent week.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Nov 3, 2019 22:44:01 GMT
They need it to start being reflected in the polls as, at the moment, they are an average of 10% behind. The campaign launch struck me as being too London focused, the seats they need to win are in the Midlands and North and policy focus should be more targetted at them. 15% last week. That's a decent week. No, that was an extreme outlier, it’s around a 2% improvement. As my own vote should attest, what you are getting in that 2% is tactical votes from lib dems, that needs to be reciprocated with a lib dem boost from labour tactical voters in the right areas now.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 3, 2019 23:10:17 GMT
15% last week. That's a decent week. No, that was an extreme outlier, it’s around a 2% improvement. As my own vote should attest, what you are getting in that 2% is tactical votes from lib dems, that needs to be reciprocated with a lib dem boost from labour tactical voters in the right areas now. Yep just the start, the gap will close as Corbyn will be shown on television over the next few weeks.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Nov 3, 2019 23:47:49 GMT
No, that was an extreme outlier, it’s around a 2% improvement. As my own vote should attest, what you are getting in that 2% is tactical votes from lib dems, that needs to be reciprocated with a lib dem boost from labour tactical voters in the right areas now. Yep just the start, the gap will close as Corbyn will be shown on television over the next few weeks. A prediction we will need to look back on with some regularity, to check on its accuracy!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 4, 2019 0:15:20 GMT
Yep just the start, the gap will close as Corbyn will be shown on television over the next few weeks. A prediction we will need to look back on with some regularity, to check on its accuracy! Let's hope so, or it is Boris and Cummings Brexit and a right wing Tory government
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 2:40:24 GMT
We still don't know if JC and Boris are vote winners or vote losers. If ever Jo Swinson needs to remain sensible and have a gaff free campaign then this is it. I can see one of JC or Boris shooting themselves in the foot somehow.
Nigel Farage not standing as an MP makes sense as he can go on the national campaign and have a free hand at that.
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