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Post by londonpostie on Nov 1, 2019 10:50:37 GMT
I did see a piece that said the number of women leaving is exactly proportional to the number of women in the HoC. How you measure or regard social media, esp when some politicians don't look at it. What is the value of it when an MPhas so many means of communication with constituents, inc. weekly face-to-face surgeries.
Fwiw, my MP seems to take a measured approach; it's a way to communicate information (constituency mostly) but she clearly won't engage beyond saying 'contact my office' (giving those details).
I'd have a little trouble accepting many politicians get more abuse that, say, Bercow - and we can see its water off a ducks back. He demonstrably refuses to be a victim or to facilitate his own martyrdom. For others, it seems almost a career move. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 11:21:08 GMT
Anyone who has seen those attacking MPs (on all sides) outside of parliament must realise this is not normal or that it can be dismissed as part of the job. Imagine if they were doing this to the police, or the fire service, or hospital workers, or you, in your job? Not just on your way in and out of work but relentless death threats via social media. All this when you know that it isn’t just words, as the murder of one of your colleagues attests. Those doing this are the true enemies of democracy, despite certain newspapers framing their targets as such (and maybe parts of the press need to be up for incitement to violence too), so can we stop the victim blaming?
I’d be happy to see the people doing this face the full force of the law because, at the moment we are in a situation where it is when, not if, it will happen again.
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 1, 2019 11:43:47 GMT
I haven't seen anyone say they are resigning becasue of the shouty stuff outside Parliament.
'Death threats' is plain nonsense, unless there is a genuine nutter around. It's conjured up by the hysterical 24-hour cycle and perpetuated by the hair-on-fire followers. The offence of Criminal Assault is putting someone in genuine fear- you don't have to touch someone it's a verbal offence ('Battery' is the touching part). How many have been charged with Assault ..
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Post by n1david on Nov 1, 2019 11:55:24 GMT
'Death threats' is plain nonsense, unless there is a genuine nutter around. It's conjured up by the hysterical 24-hour cycle and perpetuated by the hair-on-fire followers. The offence of Criminal Assault is putting someone in genuine fear- you don't have to touch someone it's a verbal offence ('Battery' is the touching part). How many have been charged with Assault .. Anna Soubry reported this week that the fifth person had just been convicted for sending her death threats. I think after Jo Cox it's fair to say that there are genuine nutters around. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:03:44 GMT
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 1, 2019 12:30:07 GMT
'Death threats' is plain nonsense, unless there is a genuine nutter around. It's conjured up by the hysterical 24-hour cycle and perpetuated by the hair-on-fire followers. The offence of Criminal Assault is putting someone in genuine fear- you don't have to touch someone it's a verbal offence ('Battery' is the touching part). How many have been charged with Assault .. Anna Soubry reported this week that the fifth person had just been convicted for sending her death threats. I think after Jo Cox it's fair to say that there are genuine nutters around. This is one from Feb - 4 phone messages from a withheld number - under the Malicious Communications Act. The important message seems to be “Tell Anna Soubry she will die.” His sentence was to not go out in the evening for four weeks, plus some costs. Not exactly treason. Iirc Assault' requires something like 'immediate threat' which, if the case, rules it out entirely re social media.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 1, 2019 12:32:46 GMT
David Cameron before is fatal and wounding referendum used te term 'fruitcakes' and he is correct.
Brexit has brought the worst out in people.
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 1, 2019 12:34:04 GMT
It it was an after-hours message on the machine half a chance he was drunk.
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Post by n1david on Nov 1, 2019 12:48:38 GMT
This is one from Feb - 4 phone messages from a withheld number - under the Malicious Communications Act. The important message seems to be “Tell Anna Soubry she will die.” His sentence was to not go out in the evening for four weeks, plus some costs. Not exactly treason. Iirc Assault' requires something like 'immediate threat' which, if the case, rules it out entirely re social media. I didn't claim it was treason. I didn't claim it was assault. It was a death threat. Maybe he was drunk, or high. Maybe he's the sort of person who carries a knife when he's drunk, or high. Probably he isn't. But he might be, and that's why making death threats is a crime. Are you seriously suggesting that this is OK - whether they're aimed at Anna Soubry or Priti Patel? |
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Post by jaqs on Nov 1, 2019 12:51:03 GMT
The women who are standing down are a lot younger on average than the men standing down.
That said I don’t blame any of them.
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 1, 2019 12:53:57 GMT
I didn't claim it was treason. I didn't claim it was assault. It was a death threat. Maybe he was drunk, or high. Maybe he's the sort of person who carries a knife when he's drunk, or high. Probably he isn't. But he might be, and that's why making death threats is a crime. Are you seriously suggesting that this is OK - whether they're aimed at Anna Soubry or Priti Patel? Man was convicted of a specific criminal offence under the 1988 Act i.e. 'intent to cause distress or anxiety'.
Problem with using 'death threats' it implies fear of death (as per the hair-on-fire agenda). This caused anxiety (heated rollers).
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Post by n1david on Nov 1, 2019 13:07:45 GMT
I didn't claim it was treason. I didn't claim it was assault. It was a death threat. Maybe he was drunk, or high. Maybe he's the sort of person who carries a knife when he's drunk, or high. Probably he isn't. But he might be, and that's why making death threats is a crime. Are you seriously suggesting that this is OK - whether they're aimed at Anna Soubry or Priti Patel? Man was convicted of a specific criminal offence under the 1988 Act i.e. 'intent to cause distress or anxiety'. Problem with using 'death threats' it implies fear of death (as per the hair-on-fire agenda). This caused anxiety (heated rollers).
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 13:10:30 GMT
Man was convicted of a specific criminal offence under the 1988 Act i.e. 'intent to cause distress or anxiety'. Problem with using 'death threats' it implies fear of death (as per the hair-on-fire agenda). This caused anxiety (heated rollers).
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Ironic, really. "Going postal is an American English slang phrase referring to becoming extremely and uncontrollably angry, often to the point of violence, and usually in a workplace environment. The expression derives from a series of incidents from 1986 onward in which United States Postal Service (USPS) workers shot and killed managers, fellow workers, and members of the police or general public in acts of mass murder." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 1, 2019 13:17:29 GMT
Farage is again reaching out to Bonking Boris. NF is desperate for power and attention I wonder if he will have any luck, I hope not and hope he splits the Brexit vote
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 1, 2019 14:23:37 GMT
Man was convicted of a specific criminal offence under the 1988 Act i.e. 'intent to cause distress or anxiety'. Problem with using 'death threats' it implies fear of death (as per the hair-on-fire agenda). This caused anxiety (heated rollers).
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Talk to me about issues, or don't talk to me at all. I don't know you, you don't know me. It will stay that way.
And for Gods sake stop shuffling around goalposts like no one notices.
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Post by lynette on Nov 1, 2019 14:28:34 GMT
Indeed we don't know each other on the Board except through this Board and we try to maintain a courteous exchange of views. Or we might as well be MPs 🤪
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 1, 2019 14:36:49 GMT
What I'm concerned about is that the general public isn't intelligent enough for tactical voting, whatever the political preference.
Studies show that it's a very complicated process and that people tend to believe and convince themselves that their first preference will succeed because it's what they hope for but that does not necessarily translate to reality and it seems very difficult to actually go for the tactical vote in the end, it's human nature.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 1, 2019 15:38:05 GMT
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Talk to me about issues, or don't talk to me at all. I don't know you, you don't know me. It will stay that way.
And for Gods sake stop shuffling around goalposts like no one notices.
Is it an issue you won't answer the question if making death threats is ok? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 1, 2019 15:39:24 GMT
Changing subject but not letting you change the subject, why Royal Fail. I have a friend in junior middle management at Royal Mail and I was telling him about you
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 1, 2019 15:41:37 GMT
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Talk to me about issues, or don't talk to me at all. I don't know you, you don't know me. It will stay that way.
And for Gods sake stop shuffling around goalposts like no one notices.
And last question, what does shuffling around goalposts mean? A goal hanger looking for the easy open goal? Been trying to get the reference |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 1, 2019 15:44:36 GMT
Farage is again reaching out to Bonking Boris. NF is desperate for power and attention I wonder if he will have any luck, I hope not and hope he splits the Brexit vote Read NF as National Front, guess I am of an age. Not far out I guess. Still, welcome to the game Farage |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 1, 2019 16:06:25 GMT
Farage is again reaching out to Bonking Boris. NF is desperate for power and attention I wonder if he will have any luck, I hope not and hope he splits the Brexit vote Read NF as National Front, guess I am of an age. Not far out I guess. Still, welcome to the game Farage It was my intention. Perhaps cruel but then so is Farage |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 21:52:27 GMT
You didn't answer the question as to whether you thought the making of death threats was OK. Talk to me about issues, or don't talk to me at all. I don't know you, you don't know me. It will stay that way.
And for Gods sake stop shuffling around goalposts like no one notices.
People are talking to you about issues, specifically the issue of death threats being made against those in public office. The specific question asked, which you very overtly ignored, was whether (regardless of the sanction actually imposed) you thought making death threats (or, if you want to be even more specific, making people anxious or afraid that there is a risk to their life purely because of the job they do) is OK. If you want to talk about issues, then answer the question please, otherwise experience on other threads suggests that you are either incapable or unwilling to have a rational discussion and debate with those who (shock horror, it's a forum) disagree with you, or you are trolling the threads relating to politics. That is certainly the impression you have been creating for a number of weeks now as far as I'm concerned. If you don't like people passionately disagreeing with you, then the politics threads may not be the best place to post. As far as I can see, the only one shuffling goalposts in this thread at the minute is you. |
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 3, 2019 8:55:03 GMT
It is very simple. The better Labour does, the worse for Brexit. The worse Labour does, the better for Brexit. I am not making a party point but a psephological one.
All the Leave votes go to Johnson. Remain vote is split.
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Post by olliebean on Nov 3, 2019 11:18:21 GMT
It is very simple. The better Labour does, the worse for Brexit. The worse Labour does, the better for Brexit. I am not making a party point but a psephological one. All the Leave votes go to Johnson. Remain vote is split. I suspect a lot depends on how many of the leave votes go to the Brexit party. |
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