General Election 2019

Then why is Corbyn's supposed anti-semitism sited numerous times in this thread and yet Johnson's anti Muslim comments are not brought up once?

So this means nothing...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/02/boris-johnsons-burqa-comments-led-to-surge-in-anti-muslim-attacks

I don't see the same thing happening to Jewish people because of the Labour Party *shrugs

Not a clue nor a massive amount of interest. I wasnt defending either. Just stating what was leading to the comment. Neither behaviour is acceptable

One of the reasons I despise the Conservatives for their choice of leader is that they're essentially saying that there's such a thing as "good" bigotry.

The problem is, everyone thinks they're the good guy. Everyone thinks their prejudice is justified. But the way you tell whether you're the good guy is to consider whether you'd accept your behaviour if it was directed against you or people you support. If Johnson had made a similar crack against Jews it wouldn't have been tolerated. Anti-Muslim comments shouldn't be tolerated either.

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I can understand people being wary of Corbyn as PM. I don't think he'd be a good PM myself. But I don't know, and now I never will. But we do know what Johnson is like as leader. As Mayor of London he squandered tens of millions on vanity projects and half-baked schemes. As PM he's already come up with several unworkable ideas and tried to shut down the government for telling him he has to obey the law. We know he can't be trusted to do what's best, or even what's legal. And yet the voters are treating him as if he's a lovable scamp in a TV comedy.

Not a comfortable night, there were too many seats where Labour and the Lib Dems cannibalised each other’s Vote even though this would not have been probably enough to stop the Conservative rout but at least it could have been curtailed.

Labour has a lot to muse on, believe the core pledges were the right ones but with too many moon on a stick promises such as broadband and the 4 day week, a softly softly approach to the first term laying a foundation for the second term may have been a better strategy.

Jeremy Corbyn has his vision and wants it now, it clearly is not what the Country wants right now, he is clearly disliked by a significant quantity of the electorate and his Brexit stance amplified the impossibility of holding the faith of both leavers and remainers at the same time.

Hopefully in the future we can build a Scandinavian type of socialist nation which I believe we deserve and hope the next five years does not destroy the foundations required to make this happen and will continue to fight for.

The next five years could be a poisoned chalice, Brexit will dominate as the trade deals are hammered out and their financial implications become known and the need to pay up on their promises on public services.

With this majority and the alleged  ‘liberal’ values of Johnson with the ERG influence diminished we can only hope for a drift to the centre.


The one thing that is certain the Union is at risk, Scotland is now definitely a different Political entity and Northern Ireland has for the first time a nationalist majority in Parliament. How this plays out could have the most significant ramifications from yesterday’s election, it may not happen in the next five years but the foundation for the break up of the Union has been laid.


Time for a Political detox.

I’m so angry. I had faith that the country would boot out those monsters, but no. Ready for at least another 5 years of hell.

Worrying when bigotry is wrapped in humour. Of course he was only joking when he called homosexual men tank top bum boys. AND when he said ur more likely to be mugged by children of working mothers. AND when he said watermelon smiles. AND.....AND.....AND....
If I joked and joked and joked like that in my job I’d be fired

I find it interesting the way we've almost had a reverse of the normal way of things with the Conservative gaining big in heavily working class/poorer constituencies in the North and Midlands but losing ground in affluent areas in the South.

I mean in the normal way of things, in an election where the Tories increased seats they would never fall back in those areas. They can win Durham but get smashed in Richmond Park!

It could mean that for once they have to think about the whole country but I think more likely they'll stick to their standard way of behaviour. It does though give them a whole load of MP's who need to care about the NHS, benefits, levels of pay, the industrial sector etc for their own survival.

I disagree - the problem was in part the calibre of the leadership. To many voters I've spoken to up here they come across as perpetual Rik in the Young Ones, Student Grant in Viz characters, playing a theoretical, studenty form of politics rather than coming from an actual dirt under the fingernails background. They don't have the gravitas to make people believe they could steer Britain through the complex process of Nationalisation, for example, even though it's something many support. The anti-semitism row was a reminder of Corbyn's affiliations - Hamas, the IRA - which many (including myself) regard with horror, while Dawn Butler's tweets appearing to steamroller the manifsto's commitment to maintaining women's safe spaces meant many women felt electorally homeless. I know someone who was a student London Labour activist and huge Corbyn fan - appeared on platfoms with him -  but when they expressed concern about the leadership's stance on the EU they found their Momentum 'friends' turned on them viciously. Early in the evening I heard a commentator say with incredulity that he'd heard Northern voters calling Corbyn a 'champagne socialist' but I know what they mean. 

I wonder what the effect will be on theatre. I am from abroad and for over 30 years I have been visting London, 3/4 times a year to see new shows. The whole brexit issue has made an impact on me and from the moment I need a visa to get in, I will stop visiting London. Then I will shift focus to New York.
I wonder what the effect of brexit will be on London theatre economics.

It’s an interesting thought, and on the flip side, I wonder what the impact on free movement had on west end sales? It’s no secret the west end relies on tourism. I don’t think people will stop visiting the UK, but I’d expect some form of impact.

Neil you are a way up the thread but my manor illustrates your point to perfection. Con guy got exactly same as last time ie about 24 thou. Last time labour got 22. This time Lib Dem 17 and Labour 6/7. So the Lib Dem did nothing. She could have got in somewhere else with the brilliant campaign she ran.

More later. 🤪