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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 12, 2019 21:42:21 GMT
Alexander Boris ‘Lago’ Johnson
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 21:59:57 GMT
If Johnson does win a majority I'll be interested to see how he explains not being able to deliver on the many promises he's made. Before he became PM he could always blame others; as leader of a majority party he has no excuse. But I suspect that he won't even bother to explain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:03:15 GMT
Exit polls suggest he has a majority.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:03:17 GMT
That exit poll is the most depressing thing I've seen since 24 June 2016.
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Post by bengal73 on Dec 12, 2019 22:05:04 GMT
Savage beating for labour if this is true
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 12, 2019 22:08:32 GMT
The exit polls suggest a landslide for Boris. Terrible result for Jeremy Corbyn, so looks like a new labour leader needs to be voted on. Jo Swinson’s Liberals have stayed the same, she run an awful campaign.
Looks like Brexit is going to be done.
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Post by olliebean on Dec 12, 2019 22:13:37 GMT
If Johnson does win a majority I'll be interested to see how he explains not being able to deliver on the many promises he's made. Before he became PM he could always blame others; as leader of a majority party he has no excuse. But I suspect that he won't even bother to explain. He'll just lie, like the Tories always do when they fail to deliver their promises. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 12, 2019 22:14:35 GMT
If Johnson does win a majority I'll be interested to see how he explains not being able to deliver on the many promises he's made. Before he became PM he could always blame others; as leader of a majority party he has no excuse. But I suspect that he won't even bother to explain. He'll just lie, like the Tories always do when they fail to deliver their promises. Lie in a ditch. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:20:08 GMT
I despair of this country, I really do. Johnson's EU referendum campaign was almost entirely lies, his election campaign was almost entirely lies, he breaks the law when it suits him and then accuses the judges who say so of being traitors, and the country says "This is the guy we want to be our leader. The liar, the bigot, the xenophobe. He represents our values." I don't have to wonder how the future will see this time in Britain's history. We've already seen it countless times elsewhere, where hatred and suspicion of anyone who wasn't "us" allowed extremists to take power.
I'm ashamed to be British. The values of the Conservatives are not my values. There's a Conservative MP from a nearby constituency who stood down at this election because he felt this government wasn't the Conservatives he'd joined many years ago. He had integrity. Those who support this government have none.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 22:21:55 GMT
I despair of this country, I really do. Johnson's EU referendum campaign was almost entirely lies, his election campaign was almost entirely lies, he breaks the law when it suits him and then accuses the judges who say so of being traitors, and the country says "This is the guy we want to be our leader. The liar, the bigot, the xenophobe. He represents our values." I don't have to wonder how the future will see this time in Britain's history. We've already seen it countless times elsewhere, where hatred and suspicion of anyone who wasn't "us" allowed extremists to take power. I'm ashamed to be British. The values of the Conservatives are not my values. There's a Conservative MP from a nearby constituency who stood down at this election because he felt this government wasn't the Conservatives he'd joined many years ago. He had integrity. Those who support this government have none. Heavy that |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 12, 2019 22:34:43 GMT
My back up plan is that Johnson is soooo treacherous and two faced that when faced with a win (if it happens) and having to actually do the deal he decides it’s all too difficult and cancels the whole thing for the good of the country. Wouldn’t put anything past him on past record. Treachery is his middle name. And I refuse to be downhearted no matter what happens. At some point we win as the young ones are the best and they know it. Tell me one good idea the Tories have come up with in this campaign....even Brexit seems to have evolved into something that just has to be done as quickly as possible so we can “move on”....at what point did it stop being the sunny uplands? I stand by my comments....Johnson has complete freedom to do what he wants. So is he one nation or not? Will he extend transition? The ERG can not have the leverage as if his majority is so big he can ignore them. Softer Brexit? |
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 12, 2019 23:01:51 GMT
*signs up for Spanish lessons...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 23:04:39 GMT
I despair of this country, I really do. Johnson's EU referendum campaign was almost entirely lies, his election campaign was almost entirely lies, he breaks the law when it suits him and then accuses the judges who say so of being traitors, and the country says "This is the guy we want to be our leader. The liar, the bigot, the xenophobe. He represents our values." I don't have to wonder how the future will see this time in Britain's history. We've already seen it countless times elsewhere, where hatred and suspicion of anyone who wasn't "us" allowed extremists to take power. I'm ashamed to be British. The values of the Conservatives are not my values. There's a Conservative MP from a nearby constituency who stood down at this election because he felt this government wasn't the Conservatives he'd joined many years ago. He had integrity. Those who support this government have none. Heavy that Heavy it may be, but it is completely and sadly accurate. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 12, 2019 23:15:08 GMT
I apologise for any bad language that may appear in this post but based on those exit polls. f***ing hell. I just.... I despair. I absolutely despair. Who is voting these vermin in? Who? Boris lies every day. He refuses to be questioned. Anybody who voted Tory is complicit in the downfall of this country.
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Post by daisy24601 on Dec 12, 2019 23:28:36 GMT
I'm devastated.
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 12, 2019 23:33:57 GMT
Is anyone REALLY even remotely surprised?
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Post by bengal73 on Dec 12, 2019 23:36:54 GMT
Blyth Valley going conservative. That's crazy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 23:39:25 GMT
I'm not going to gloat as I'd be happy with any majority. The SNP look as if they have swept Scotland so we may see Jo Swinson in the jungle next year soaping up her assets under the waterfall and eating Emu penis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 23:43:35 GMT
I apologise for any bad language that may appear in this post but based on those exit polls. f***ing hell. I just.... I despair. I absolutely despair. Who is voting these vermin in? Who? Boris lies every day. He refuses to be questioned. Anybody who voted Tory is complicit in the downfall of this country. I don’t agree with your final sentence, by the way - but I think this from today’s Guardian’s politics sketch is pretty insightful, and might go some way towards answering your question: “No one expected (Boris Johnson) to deliver on the promises he had made but they were less worried about that than the promises on which Labour might deliver.” |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 23:57:58 GMT
I expected a Tory win but never such a lead. I really thought it would be a small majority or a hung parliament. Assuming the exit pole is correct, it tells two very clear messages: the UK wants Brexit done and no one wants Jeremy Corbyn to be leader. Which is what I’ve been saying for years, but it doesn’t make a Tory landslide any easier to swallow.
The problem is I have no idea who could leader Labour. The party really needs to come back towards the centre and win the uncommitted Tory voters and Lib Dem seats. It needs an utter reinvention and a connection to the country. The problem with the Labour manifesto was that it pandered only to some of its existing supporters and was too radical for anyone who was swaps between parties election to election.
It’s far from over though. We now (supposedly) have five years of Boris and Brexit. Neither does the Tories any favours for 2024.
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Post by bengal73 on Dec 13, 2019 0:01:46 GMT
The surprising thing for me.so far is the narrowing of the gap in the couple of seats labour have held, had the brexit party not stood in those labours night could've been looking worse still
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Post by Marwood on Dec 13, 2019 0:04:49 GMT
I voted Lib Dem this morning - they have no chance whatsoever of getting in my ward (Croydon Central) but I refuse to vote for the party of a Prime Minister I never asked for (or his predecessor) or the anti-Semitic shambles of the most pathetic excuse of an opposition leader (and his cronies) I have ever known: I used to always vote for Labour since I was old enough to be able to vote but any semi-decent politician should have been able to throw aside such a pathetic excuse of a government years ago, but all Corbyn has provided is a mealy mouthed long list of uselessness, the only silver lining I can take from todays result is the hope that he will be gone by this time tomorrow but I don’t know who could replace him.
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 13, 2019 0:13:29 GMT
Serious question...is being anti-Muslim better or worse than being anti-Semitic?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 0:24:31 GMT
Serious question...is being anti-Muslim better or worse than being anti-Semitic? Ridiculous question - they are both equally abhorrent. |
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Post by sparky5000 on Dec 13, 2019 0:36:33 GMT
The Labour party will remain unelectable unless it moves back to the right. I’m not sure how it will do that given the power of Momentum and the fact that the Labour membership has now moved so far to the left, but it’s not only about Corbyn and McDonnell. It’s about the philosophy of the party. They can’t just blame this on Brexit, even though it’s handling of it has been disastrous.
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