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Post by BoOverall on Dec 12, 2019 14:48:15 GMT
Was busy just now when I voted here in Mytchett but I fear our MP, Michael Gove - the enema of the people - is unlikely to be pushed out. One of my dreams would be to see his oleaginous smirk wiped off his face when defeated....not likely to happen, but I live in Disney-tinged hope.
Govey actually came round to my house the other day, while I was literally up to my arms in Christmas baking, doing his “meet the lowlife” (as I am sure he thinks of it!). Surprised myself at the amicable “chat” about his ...ahem...legacy from when he was Education Minister. And I’ve since disinfected the driveways and the front door.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Dec 12, 2019 14:48:51 GMT
Personally Id be more ashamed of saying I'm voting for a party who at best are lying about their ability to afford all the ideological policies they are putting forward or at worst, genuinely going to bankrupt the country trying like they did last time, than I would admitting I vote Conservative. But that's just me.
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Post by BoOverall on Dec 12, 2019 14:51:37 GMT
I voted at 7.45 am and I was the only one in the polling station. I always do vote but frankly it's pretty pointless here - my MP is one Michael Gove (majority 24,943.) Yes I felt that when I voted just now. Crying as I saw his name. |
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Post by Nicholas on Dec 12, 2019 14:59:21 GMT
Personally Id be more ashamed of saying I'm voting for a party who at best are lying about their ability to afford all the ideological policies they are putting forward or at worst, genuinely going to bankrupt the country trying like they did last time, than I would admitting I vote Conservative. But that's just me. 🌳 Firstly, Labour are liars? So you're voting Johnson? Sure...
Secondly, Labour's manifesto is costed, so that's that.
Now to the meat of it. Is it really worth having poor children starve, tower blocks burn, NHS users die, disabled 'workers' die at work, hospitals go underfunded, 50% of children feel unsatisfied with their lives, working-class schoolchildren end up 2 years of academia behind, culture remain inaccessible, food banks feed our country, parents choose between eating and heating - all for GDP, which is guff anyway? This election flat out ask us to ask whether Parliament's GDP is worth your neighbour's child starving. Tough call. Tough call.
And let's take your economic argument to its end result. Did austerity make the country richer? Didn't austerity, um, stop GDP growth?
So basically, yeah, I'm not ashamed to say I trust Corbyn and Labour to fulfil the promise of a society that looks after its society, over one who thought starving our children and killing our NHS users was worth it to make our country poorer and our people hungrier.
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 12, 2019 15:51:14 GMT
Personally Id be more ashamed of saying I'm voting for a party who at best are lying about their ability to afford all the ideological policies they are putting forward or at worst, genuinely going to bankrupt the country trying like they did last time, than I would admitting I vote Conservative. But that's just me. 🌳 I think most people truly underestimate the amount of wealthy people who just flat out refuse to pay any tax, like ANY tax whatsoever! That is why the Tories kept lowering taxes for the wealthy in hope that if it's lower they may pay SOMETHING. They owe so much it is literally cheaper for them to keep endless court cases running than pay what is owed. It is like a game to them, they love it. And that's not even to mention the amount of corporations who do the same. That is where the money is going to come from. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 15:52:27 GMT
Personally Id be more ashamed of saying I'm voting for a party who at best are lying about their ability to afford all the ideological policies they are putting forward or at worst, genuinely going to bankrupt the country trying like they did last time, than I would admitting I vote Conservative. But that's just me. 🌳 Wow |
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 12, 2019 15:54:50 GMT
Was busy just now when I voted here in Mytchett but I fear our MP, Michael Gove - the enema of the people - is unlikely to be pushed out. One of my dreams would be to see his oleaginous smirk wiped off his face when defeated....not likely to happen, but I live in Disney-tinged hope. It stuns me people will vote for these psychopaths. We have become as bad as Americans who will vote for pedophiles and their enablers over a Democrat. |
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Post by dontdreamit on Dec 12, 2019 16:38:44 GMT
Just voted in my loca polling station and it was much busier than normal, despite the rain!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 17:19:54 GMT
Just voted in my loca polling station and it was much busier than normal, despite the rain! My friend just been down to polling station (Bedford). Was told at four thirty pm they had had more votes cast than all day at the last election. Liverpool turn out also up |
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Post by crowblack on Dec 12, 2019 17:32:19 GMT
Liverpool turn out also up We really, really hate Boris Johnson up here, after the comments he made about us when the hostage Ken Bigley was murdered. |
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Post by Polly1 on Dec 12, 2019 17:35:11 GMT
Well, vote early and vote often as my old dad used to say.... This is a genuine question so please excuse my ignorance. What checks are in place to prevent students, who are allowed to register in two places, from using a postal vote in their home constituency and then voting in person in their university one? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 17:42:18 GMT
Voted at 4:20ish, Yorkshire side of the Pennines, Labour semi-marginal. Turnout described as ‘busy’ though there was only one other person there apart from me. Weather awful verging on apocalyptic (it’s been the same most days this week, so nothing new there), clearing up now, though.
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Post by anthony40 on Dec 12, 2019 17:57:49 GMT
I hope that everyone has taken advantage of the opportunity to vote- regardless of who you want to win.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 12, 2019 18:04:45 GMT
I hope that everyone has taken advantage of the opportunity to vote- regardless of who you want to win. Oh I voted a week ago, via the postbox, too much a risk of not being able to vote today, by going down to the polling station? You’ll thought in this day and age, people should be able to vote on-line? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 18:39:37 GMT
Liverpool turn out also up We really, really hate Boris Johnson up here, after the comments he made about us when the hostage Ken Bigley was murdered. Yep the North remembers |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 18:41:32 GMT
What checks are in place to prevent students, who are allowed to register in two places, from using a postal vote in their home constituency and then voting in person in their university one None whatsoever, Polly1 . It's illegal, but there are no checks. Voted about 4.30pm today. Activist called in to remind me about lunchtime - not that I needed it. Raining fairly hard, short line of 4 built up as the teller couldn't find a woman on the list (did in the end). Voters seemed to enter in dribs and drabs, and going by how few names were crossed off on the lists, turnout wasn't that great. May be busier as people get home from work, perhaps. Lunchtime activist call?? Bit early that |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 19:39:27 GMT
You’ll thought in this day and age, people should be able to vote on-line? It's much harder than you'd think. The cross-on-paper system may seem primitive, but it has features that no electronic system can replicate: 1) It's anonymous. Nobody knows who cast each vote. 2) You can see the vote you have cast right there in front of you on the paper. You know that your vote has been recorded correctly. 3) The votes that are counted are the actual votes cast, not a purported representation of the votes cast. 4) Everyone can understand how their votes are recorded and counted. At present there is no electronic system of casting votes that can guarantee any of that. With timing that is not entirely coincidental, here's a video from a few days ago that explains in detail why it's a really bad idea to move away from paper. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 19:42:35 GMT
You’ll thought in this day and age, people should be able to vote on-line? It's much harder than you'd think. The cross-on-paper system may seem primitive, but it has features that no electronic system can replicate: 1) It's anonymous. Nobody knows who cast each vote. 2) You can see the vote you have cast right there in front of you on the paper. You know that your vote has been recorded correctly. 3) The votes that are counted are the actual votes cast, not a purported representation of the votes cast. 4) Everyone can understand how their votes are recorded and counted. At present there is no electronic system of casting votes that can guarantee any of that. With timing that is not entirely coincidental, here's a video from a few days ago that explains in detail why it's a really bad idea to move away from paper. Make a note of your number don't they? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 20:08:23 GMT
Personally Id be more ashamed of saying I'm voting for a party who at best are lying about their ability to afford all the ideological policies they are putting forward or at worst, genuinely going to bankrupt the country trying like they did last time, than I would admitting I vote Conservative. But that's just me. 🌳 I think most people truly underestimate the amount of wealthy people who just flat out refuse to pay any tax, like ANY tax whatsoever! That is why the Tories kept lowering taxes for the wealthy in hope that if it's lower they may pay SOMETHING. They owe so much it is literally cheaper for them to keep endless court cases running than pay what is owed. It is like a game to them, they love it. And that's not even to mention the amount of corporations who do the same. That is where the money is going to come from. Except sadly it isn’t, because they’re either moving (or have already moved) their funds. Without those people to pick on, who will get fleeced next? Yup, you and me. Anyone who has a job. You may not mind your taxes going up (substantially), but you’ll find quite a few of us do care rather a lot about potentially going into negative equity. About pension funds crashing in value. About the risk to our currency. About investors turning their back on the country in future because our debt levels make us a very bad risk indeed. All this and more are clear risks of a Corbyn government, flagged by experts in their field. Might sound like a bright future to you. Doesn’t to me, or many other Tory voters. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Dec 12, 2019 20:10:57 GMT
Rumours are Johnson is in trouble, allegedly a surge in tactical voting by Lib Dem supporters is putting his seat at risk.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer person and would take this as a win whatever else happens.
If you live in Uxbridge your vote can really make a difference if you haven’t voted already.
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 12, 2019 20:26:57 GMT
Rumours are Johnson is in trouble, allegedly a surge in tactical voting by Lib Dem supporters is putting his seat at risk. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person and would take this as a win whatever else happens. If you live in Uxbridge your vote can really make a difference if you haven’t voted already. Daughter lives there. Every door knocked by Labour, she is out in the rain checking those recorded as Labour have voted. So proud, even if Johnson keeps his seat! |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 12, 2019 20:31:09 GMT
I think most people truly underestimate the amount of wealthy people who just flat out refuse to pay any tax, like ANY tax whatsoever! That is why the Tories kept lowering taxes for the wealthy in hope that if it's lower they may pay SOMETHING. They owe so much it is literally cheaper for them to keep endless court cases running than pay what is owed. It is like a game to them, they love it. And that's not even to mention the amount of corporations who do the same. That is where the money is going to come from. Except sadly it isn’t, because they’re either moving (or have already moved) their funds. Without those people to pick on, who will get fleeced next? Yup, you and me. Anyone who has a job. You may not mind your taxes going up (substantially), but you’ll find quite a few of us do care rather a lot about potentially going into negative equity. About pension funds crashing in value. About the risk to our currency. About investors turning their back on the country in future because our debt levels make us a very bad risk indeed. All this and more are clear risks of a Corbyn government, flagged by experts in their field. Might sound like a bright future to you. Doesn’t to me, or many other Tory voters. Hmmm...so Johnson crashing us out of Europe or at the very best agreeing a bare-bones deal which will crash the economy by 6-7% is good? Open your eyes....The Conservatives have already caused huge damage to the economy and the £. They do not deserve to be called a fiscal success as they aren’t. Labour will borrow when borrowing is cheap to invest and that will create growth....etc etc. Austerity is and always was a choice that does not work. And leaving Europe without staying in the customs union and as near as possible the single market is madness. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 12, 2019 20:33:42 GMT
Strange things happening to the £....someone got hold of an exit poll? Shot up from negative territory at 8pm...
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 20:56:14 GMT
Strange things happening to the £....someone got hold of an exit poll? Shot up from negative territory at 8pm... Boris landslide fella |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 12, 2019 21:20:32 GMT
My back up plan is that Johnson is soooo treacherous and two faced that when faced with a win (if it happens) and having to actually do the deal he decides it’s all too difficult and cancels the whole thing for the good of the country. Wouldn’t put anything past him on past record. Treachery is his middle name.
And I refuse to be downhearted no matter what happens. At some point we win as the young ones are the best and they know it.
Tell me one good idea the Tories have come up with in this campaign....even Brexit seems to have evolved into something that just has to be done as quickly as possible so we can “move on”....at what point did it stop being the sunny uplands?
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