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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 1:11:43 GMT
Much of the switch is, like mine, for tactical reasons, they’ve been targetting just 60 constituencies (30 realistic prospects and /30 to get into a winning position for 2024). If you are in a target then, boy, will you know about it. If not then, like me, you have barely noticed a Lib Dem presence. This is my first general election in a new constituency. I got a lot of Lib Dem and Green advertising for the Euros and the Locals. This time, nothing, nada, diddly squat. They are putting up paper candidates in many constituencies and will, by design, and to assist tactical voting, do pretty well in 10% of constituencies and pretty badly in the rest. Makes perfect sense as always what you say. I'll throw this idea out there whoever wins the Election today I'd back the other major party to take power next election. We'd have had a Tory lead administration for 14 years come 2024 Election or if it is sooner for well over a decade and I think that JC's policies would cause such chaos that Labour would likely be booted out at the next election if he got in. It's the poisoned chalice of poisoned chalices. With the voter realignment being seen then how 2019 voting unwinds next time will be pretty chaotic as well. |
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Post by olliebean on Dec 12, 2019 1:53:24 GMT
No, these are seats which have moved away from Labour. No way they are winning in Surrey, much of Sussex, much of Hampshire etc. etc. There have been a few London seats that have had both parties going for it but that's pretty much it. I think the London centric nature of this board has twisted perceptions. What is happening in Finchley or Kensington is not happening in Manchester, Birmingham, 95% of the North and so on. Blair understood how Lib Dem success worked for him. Sadly, the current lot haven't. That may be so, but it's still pretty cynical and dishonest of the Lib-Dems to encourage people to vote "tactically" for them in seats where they realistically aren't going to win at this election, just to give themselves an advantage in 2024. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 12, 2019 7:29:33 GMT
If the Conservatives win this election then Labour has no one to blame but itself! This should have been a landslide for them! People can argue that the Conservatives have moved too far to the right, but Labour has moved too far to the left also, which is unpalatable to a lot of people, especially by allowing someone as inept as Corbyn to be their leader. The majority of this country are centralists in their politics (and there’s nothing wrong with that), but have no one to represent them so it’s a case of having to choose the least offensive of 2 awful candidates in Johnson and Corbyn. I’ve never been more depressed by the state of this country 😩 I’m unenthusiastically voting for the Lib Dems 😆😐 Ah sparky, you are so right... I’ve voted Tory this time, with some misgivings but hoping once Brexit is out of the way (well, the first stage at least) we see a return to the one nation Conservatism we’ve been promised. Good luck with that..... |
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Post by olliebean on Dec 12, 2019 7:33:55 GMT
I can't help wondering what it is about anything Boris Johnson has said or done that makes anyone think his promises are worth anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 7:48:08 GMT
I can't help wondering what it is about anything Boris Johnson has said or done that makes anyone think his promises are worth anything. Perhaps they're following the gambler's fallacy: he's lied so often in the past he must be due to tell the truth by now. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 12, 2019 8:09:14 GMT
Well that's my vote done. Genuinely scared for the results. I am baffled how anyone could vote Tory. Nothing but lies upon lies. Their manifesto means nothing. They say they'll change and improve things - improve what? They've had 9 years! Our Prime Minister hid in a fridge rather than answer some questions! Right, I'm staying off the socials all day, can't be doing with it all!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 8:20:48 GMT
I voted earlier. It was quite busy there, but I don't know if that's a reflection of how much people care about the result or how much they care about the fact that it's going to pour with rain later this morning.
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Post by Rory on Dec 12, 2019 9:07:28 GMT
I've just voted. Very quiet. Hope people get out there despite the drizzly and damp weather. They really need to.
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Post by olliebean on Dec 12, 2019 10:27:00 GMT
Tough decision for me - who do I want as Prime Minister: the man who turns up, helps out, and shows compassion when people are in trouble and suffering, even if it means missing the Queen's Christmas Message - or the man who refuses even to look at a picture of a suffering child? Could go either way, really...
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Post by londonmzfitz on Dec 12, 2019 10:47:24 GMT
Was at my Polling Station just before 8am. Quite a few people buzzing around - I'm in a very safe Labour district (Dawn Butler). Could never vote Conservative.
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Post by lynette on Dec 12, 2019 10:50:45 GMT
Well, vote early and vote often as my old dad used to say....
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 12, 2019 11:01:03 GMT
Hackney is a very safe labour seat and is full remainers, huge queue out the door of the polling station this morning, bigger than the EU referendum vote.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 12, 2019 12:28:00 GMT
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Post by tmesis on Dec 12, 2019 12:56:55 GMT
I voted at 7.45 am and I was the only one in the polling station. I always do vote but frankly it's pretty pointless here - my MP is one Michael Gove (majority 24,943.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 13:01:42 GMT
I’m inbetween houses at the mo so walked the hour walk in the pissing rain to get to the poll station. Only they have moved it. No probs I thought, bound to be within a couple hundred metres of the old one..........it isn’t - it’s an extra half an hour walk at the top of the steepest hill in Brighton! Sod that
(Fortunately the people I were gonna vote for will win so disappointing but no biggiesmalls)
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 13:04:22 GMT
I’m inbetween houses at the mo so walked the hour walk in the pissing rain to get to the poll station. Only they have moved it. No probs I thought, bound to be within a couple hundred metres of the old one..........it isn’t - it’s an extra half an hour walk at the top of the steepest hill in Brighton! Sod that (Fortunately the people I were gonna vote for will win so disappointing but no biggiesmalls) 'C'mon the Greens |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 12, 2019 13:05:33 GMT
Well, vote early and vote often as my old dad used to say.... Depends who you are voting for??  |
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Post by bengal73 on Dec 12, 2019 13:06:18 GMT
It's been a fascinating watch on social media. It's clear on all my online platforms that labour support are more likely to discuss their views online. Tories keep their opinions hidden but turn out to vote its lo g been the case
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Post by crowblack on Dec 12, 2019 13:13:45 GMT
Hackney is a very safe labour seat and is full remainers, huge queue out the door of the polling station this morning, bigger than the EU referendum vote. Busy here where I live too, despite the weather (roads flooding already). Not sure how to read that though - it's a safe Labour seat, though at the council elections an Independent did well on local issues, and Brexit-wise it doesn't fit media stereotypes. |
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 12, 2019 13:13:57 GMT
Tories keep their opinions hidden but turn out to vote its lo g been the case Because they're secretly extremely ashamed and disgusted in themselves x |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 13:23:53 GMT
If anyone’s had enough of politics, or indeed of Labour voters trying to tell you they’re better than you if you voted for a different party (they’re really not), then I recommend Kim Joy’s “melting snowmen pop tarts” on the Guardian website. The one with the surprised look on its face is priceless!! :-)
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 12, 2019 13:54:42 GMT
or indeed of Labour voters trying to tell you they’re better than you if you voted for a different party (they’re really not)  |
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Post by sparky5000 on Dec 12, 2019 14:31:35 GMT
It's been a fascinating watch on social media. It's clear on all my online platforms that labour support are more likely to discuss their views online. Tories keep their opinions hidden but turn out to vote its lo g been the case It’s a generational thing too, with more older voters backing Brexit and the Conservatives. I remember my work colleague telling me that the day of the Brexit referendum they organised a coach for everyone in his gran’s old people’s home to go to the polling station to vote, and every single one of them voted to leave! 😩🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by Nicholas on Dec 12, 2019 14:35:07 GMT
I voted at 7.45 am and I was the only one in the polling station. I always do vote but frankly it's pretty pointless here - my MP is one Michael Gove (majority 24,943.) Tell that to Michael Portillo.
The act of voting is NEVER pointless. If more people vote for other parties than Tory but he wins, then - despite his majority - a campaign for Proportional Representation has a leg to stand on. That majority can only get bigger if you don't vote. Assuming the opposition haven't put forwards strong candidates, a strong enough loss might convince them to try next time. It's somewhat pointless today - but a vote against him may be a small step in the right direction for tomorrow.
Anywho, if you all have twenty minutes or so, read the UN's report on 9 years of austerity. undocs.org/A/HRC/41/39/Add.1
Although the United Kingdom is the world’s fifth largest economy, one fifth of its population (14 million people) live in poverty, and 1.5 million of them experienced destitution in 2017. Policies of austerity introduced in 2010 continue largely unabated, despite the tragic social consequences. Close to 40 per cent of children are predicted to be living in poverty by 2021. Food banks have proliferated; homelessness and rough sleeping have increased greatly; tens of thousands of poor families must live in accommodation far from their schools, jobs and community networks; life expectancy is falling for certain groups; and the legal aid system has been decimated. The Social Metrics Commission found in 2018 that almost a third of children in the United Kingdom were in poverty. After years of progress, child poverty has been rising since 2011–2012, almost entirely in working families. The Equality and Human Rights Commission forecasts that 1.5 million more children will fall into poverty between 2010 and 2021–2022, bringing the child poverty rate to a shocking 41 per cent. People said they had to choose either to eat or heat their homes. Children are showing up at school with empty stomachs, and schools are collecting food and sending it home because teachers know their students will otherwise go hungry. And 2.5 million people in the United Kingdom survive with incomes no more than 10 per cent above the poverty line – just one crisis away from falling into poverty. The bottom line is that much of the glue that has held British society together since the Second World War has been deliberately removed and replaced with a harsh and uncaring ethos.
Personally, I can't speak for the Tories, but I hold the controversial view that inciting violence isn't humbug and child poverty is a bad thing.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Dec 12, 2019 14:42:28 GMT
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