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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 18:57:32 GMT
{Spoiler} I went to bed crying, thinking about the fact that there are hundreds of people risking and losing their lives every day just trying to make their lives better, just trying to find safety, just trying to live. {Spoiler} And enraged, thinking about how so many demonise people in that horrifying kind of situation, to the extent I've even seen people say things like "Good, another X gone" Indeed, it's crazy that we've been conditioned en masse to believe these innocent people are a threat and a liability to our safety. T Davies is addressing so much that concerns me currently, I've left left worry about how many years (months) it'll be before Katie Hopkins (Vivienne Rook) is PM.
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Post by drowseychap on Jun 6, 2019 23:57:36 GMT
Was at a Q&A at weekend with me Russel t for the 20th anniversary of queer as folk was great seeing it in a cinema setting .... he said he’s very excited about years and years and wait until episode 4 ? Indicated it would totally mess with our heads 🤪 My post from a few weeks ago ..... well episode 4 certainly did that didn’t it. ... 😱😱😱🤪😢
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 17:50:36 GMT
"Want to feel old? What the kid from Mr Bean's Holiday looks like now will amaze you!"
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Post by crowblack on Jun 9, 2019 19:33:05 GMT
I've just caught up with it (binged the whole lot yesterday and today) and really enjoyed it. A friend said "are you watching Years and Years? This week's episode - I was in bits!" so unfortunately with that semi-spoiler I watched that one looking out for the imminent death signs, but it was still powerful . If Viv Rook's surname was a partial nod to Claire Fox then it's very timely, as the loathsome creature is now a Brexit party MEP here in the North West! where he talks about the idea he's had for 20 years (so for 30 years now!) I loved the big crisp line. He was sitting behind us in Katherine Soper's Wish List at the Manchester Royal Exchange a couple of years ago and I noticed the warehouse overseer's instructions scene made it in to episode 3!
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 9, 2019 19:49:43 GMT
Amazing episode. Here's an interesting excerpt from "The Writer's Tale" from 2009 (RTD's book about writing Doctor Who) where he talks about the idea he's had for 20 years (so for 30 years now!) which has now come to fruition in this ... Can totally see how this "ordinary people like you and me, not just watching it but part of it" leads to the ending of this weeks episode. So with spoilers in mind, how did the Torchwood show end?
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 10, 2019 7:38:16 GMT
So with spoilers in mind, how did the Torchwood show end? It's difficult to answer that in a spoiler-proof way, not yet knowing what the ending of Y&Y will be. You also have to bear in mind that while the Torchwood story set up a terrifying scenario it was able to rely on a sci-fi deus ex machina resolution as is common to the genre, which obviously isn't an option for Y&Y (...or is it?!) During RTD's Doctor Who tenure there was an episode called Turn Left, written by him, which posited an alternative universe in which the Doctor isn't around to help the human race and this leads to a storyline with a similar tone (though exaggerated) to Y&Y.
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Post by lynette on Jun 10, 2019 11:38:17 GMT
I didn’t see you could binge this. I was watching week by week, little ole untechie that I am. It is a good idea as described in the book he write, very good and I think timely. What actually makes it is the acting as some of the dialogue is clunky.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 16:35:52 GMT
I haven't thought about Children of Earth in years. My god that was scarily good! The best scene, that still sticks with me for being f***ING TERRIFYING was the cabinet meeting where they just decided to screw over the children of the poor.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 11, 2019 10:41:18 GMT
I haven't thought about Children of Earth in years. My god that was scarily good! The best scene, that still sticks with me for being f***ING TERRIFYING was the cabinet meeting where they just decided to screw over the children of the poor. The show had been flagging and that short intense one-episode-per-weeknight series gave it a major shot in the arm. It really underlined RTD's achievement in making the Doctor Who universe seem much more real and occasionally unnerving. Yes that cabinet meeting scene was superb and unsettling. In general Nicholas Farrell was at his slimy best in that series. My favourite character was government scientist Dekker, played by the wonderful Ian Gelder. He was chummily understated but somewhat sinister. His entry was a very nice touch, with Frobisher's demeanour visibly changing when informed "Mr Dekker is here." Dekker on being asked how he emerged unscathed from a tragic situation - "I just took a step back. A strategy that's always served me well." I honestly think that series might be Peter Capaldi's finest moment. His Frobisher, put in a terrible position by the slippery PM, and riven with tension, is an absolute joy. Time for a re-watching!
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Post by david on Jun 11, 2019 19:20:45 GMT
Finally caught up with this show. Great writing by RTD. Some nice bits of comedy from Emma Thompson, but having just finished watching ep4, that was by far the best one yet (just for the last 15 mins which are just emotionally devastating. I was just not prepared for it).
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Post by n1david on Jun 12, 2019 9:56:44 GMT
I suspect it was to try to make us care about the characters before unleashing hell upon them.
I have no idea how this is going to end, but knowing RTD it’s quite possible that the whole thing can be resolved by a dog with superpowers.
But boy, I’ve enjoyed the ride, for all its faults.
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Post by karloscar on Jun 12, 2019 13:40:06 GMT
Hidden amongst all the character development in the early episodes were things that have become vital to the plot. You have to see it as a whole, not just individual episodes. The future does look bloody depressing. Not sure I'd have opted to have my sight improved when things look that bad!
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Post by lynette on Jun 12, 2019 14:15:25 GMT
I was confused about the sight thing. Nice to chuck that in as it is a serious problem and would be nice to have it curable, of course the money thing lovely bit of satire, or whatever. But is she really cured or or what was that conspiratorial thank you across the laptop from the mum and daughter ?
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Post by crowblack on Jun 12, 2019 15:33:05 GMT
faffing with all the character-driven stuff I didn't get that sense - I bingewatched it all this weekend and loved the characterisation. It didn't seem superfluous.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 12, 2019 16:25:23 GMT
didn't have to wait a week between each? Hard to tell. I caught the latter half of the first episode when it was first broadcast but felt I'd missed out on the 'introductions' to the characters so I was reacting more to the plot - I didn't watch any more because it clashed with Chernobyl, so shelved it for a bit. When I watched from the start this weekend it was the characters that hooked me in and I watched three hours in one sitting, having just intended to watch one because the French Open had a rain delay. I rarely bingewatch (small telly, uncomfy sofa) so it clearly worked for me!
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Post by alece10 on Jun 12, 2019 16:32:19 GMT
The last 2 episodes I found quite disturbing even though I'm loving the series. I really hope it's pure fantasy and not a real vision to the future as only 9 years away.
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Post by karloscar on Jun 12, 2019 19:15:35 GMT
The last 2 episodes I found quite disturbing even though I'm loving the series. I really hope it's pure fantasy and not a real vision to the future as only 9 years away. It all seems pretty plausible to me. 80 days of non-stop rain, and concentration camps for undesirables are only a Boris away!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:05:13 GMT
Hidden amongst all the character development in the early episodes were things that have become vital to the plot. You have to see it as a whole, not just individual episodes. The future does look bloody depressing. Not sure I'd have opted to have my sight improved when things look that bad! But how inevitable is the chargeable queue jump? I mean technically it exists already in the form of private v NHS, but for the NHS to offer it. God I hope that would never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:51:04 GMT
I was finding it plot heavy even before this week but there’s so much thrown in there by now that it is just breathless at times. With so many important ideas that deserve their own episode each, I wish that there could be more depth beyond the immediate reactions to things that happen.
I’ve come to the conclusion that this probably isn’t aimed at me. Maybe I am too tuned into what it is being suggested already, so there is little surprise there. If it gets to an audience of people who hadn't really considered the state we are in or that we are heading towards, even changing some minds, then it will have done a good job, I think. Pretty much preaching to the converted here, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 8:17:17 GMT
I was finding it plot heavy even before this week but there’s so much thrown in there by now that it is just breathless at times. With so many important ideas that deserve their own episode each, I wish that there could be more depth beyond the immediate reactions to things that happen. I’ve come to the conclusion that this probably isn’t aimed at me. Maybe I am too tuned into what it is being suggested already, so there is little surprise there. If it gets to an audience of people who hadn't really considered the state we are in or that we are heading towards, even changing some minds, then it will have done a good job, I think. Pretty much preaching to the converted here, though. I suspect this may be deliberate. As you are well aware, there is so much going on in the world and in people lives right now, the world is spinning so fast with exponential advancements controlling our development and function as a society. I feel like the intention is to overwhelm us with quite plausible situations families could well be presented with in 10-20 years.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 13, 2019 8:39:52 GMT
Maybe I am too tuned into what it is being suggested already, so there is little surprise there. But that's why it's so good as an accessible family/character-driven drama - it presents a likeable family that covers all bases and shows them being led down various paths. I'm finding it engaging and enjoyable, whilst something like Black Mirror is a depressing chore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 8:52:33 GMT
OK given RTD's comments about repurposing the ending of this for Children of Earth, I'm going to throw my theory about how this will end out there ... (spoilers for Children of Earth and speculation for Years and Years) He's referring to the bit with Captain Jack's grandson being sacrificed to end the alien threat. Edith and Bethany will somehow sacrifice themselves to bring down the government. Edith dies (but she would have soon anyway), Bethany lives on in the cloud, Muriel can see her thanks to her magic eyes.
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Post by n1david on Jun 13, 2019 9:24:43 GMT
Somehow the news about oil tankers being attacked in the Gulf of Oman feels very like the sort of throwaway news item in the background of Y&Y Episode One. File under “things to which we don’t pay much attention which turn out to be really significant later”.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 9:30:02 GMT
Maybe I am too tuned into what it is being suggested already, so there is little surprise there. But that's why it's so good as an accessible family/character-driven drama - it presents a likeable family that covers all bases and shows them being led down various paths. I'm finding it engaging and enjoyable, whilst something like Black Mirror is a depressing chore. I'm not seeing them as likeable, maybe that's an issue. All have various character flaws (even the Tovey character) but they are, deliberately I think, being written as very complacent and culpable, even the supposed radical character. It's that complacency/naivety/self-centredness, leading to the society that they have ended up with that I think is Davies' takeaway message.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 13, 2019 10:02:24 GMT
I'm not seeing them as likeable, maybe that's an issue. I think they are - they're well-rounded, believable, recognisable, flawed but not actively nasty, not the sort of knuckledragging skinheads or secretive Russian bots that FBPE hashtaggers seem to think solely lie behind the rise of the likes of Farage or Trump. I suppose I have a different definition of likeability - I mean characters who are engaging. I think, for example, the first three episodes of Year of the Rabbit fall flat for me because the writing and pace don't give the leads the space to make us like or care for them, or feel they have an interior life.
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