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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 3, 2020 17:56:48 GMT
I'd LOVE Andy Nyman to win best actor in a musical, I thought he was marvellous in Fiddler on the Roof. That said Sam Tutty will probably get it
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Post by jgblunners on Mar 3, 2020 18:07:08 GMT
The only two nominations that baffle me are Judy Kuhn and Petula Clark. I say baffled, but I do understand that they are both beloved in the theatre community and had probably secured nominations as soon as they were cast. However, it seems odd in the first case to put Golde in the leading female category when she really doesn't have that much to do in the show. In the second case, I find it incredibly frustrating that someone can receive a nomination for hobbling around on stage and barely getting a song out of their mouth. I'm not joking when I say that she could barely move around that stage.
Anyway, aside from that I think these nominations are quite reasonable, especially when compared to recent years. Interesting that none of the Waitress cast are nominated, although maybe that was a strategic move to avoid any arguments about which of the 500 lineups should be eligible. Glad to see some Amelie love, I was sure that it would be unfairly overlooked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 18:29:58 GMT
One oddity is that Ian Rickson is nominated as best director for Uncle Vanya rather than Rosmersholm. Is there anyone who agrees with that ? Yet Rosmersholm is up for best revival and not Uncle Vanya. Seems like they wanted to spread out the nominations. |
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Post by intoanewlife on Mar 3, 2020 19:45:33 GMT
I'd LOVE Andy Nyman to win best actor in a musical, I thought he was marvellous in Fiddler on the Roof. Agreed, he was fantastic. |
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Post by justfran on Mar 3, 2020 22:11:10 GMT
A good selection of nominations, especially across the plays categories. I’m pleased to see Colin Morgan nominated for All My Sons - I thought he gave an excellent performance.
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Post by sparky5000 on Mar 3, 2020 22:43:11 GMT
The only two nominations that baffle me are Judy Kuhn and Petula Clark. I say baffled, but I do understand that they are both beloved in the theatre community and had probably secured nominations as soon as they were cast. However, it seems odd in the first case to put Golde in the leading female category when she really doesn't have that much to do in the show. In the second case, I find it incredibly frustrating that someone can receive a nomination for hobbling around on stage and barely getting a song out of their mouth. I'm not joking when I say that she could barely move around that stage. Anyway, aside from that I think these nominations are quite reasonable, especially when compared to recent years. Interesting that none of the Waitress cast are nominated, although maybe that was a strategic move to avoid any arguments about which of the 500 lineups should be eligible. Glad to see some Amelie love, I was sure that it would be unfairly overlooked. I agree about Petula Clark, that’s the most ridiculous nomination imo. And Judy Kuhn absolutely shoulda been in the supporting actress category. I think Kat McPhee shoulda got a best actress nom but also think, like you said, things were muddied by Kat finishing her stint last June and Lucie and Sara being eligible also, so I assume there was vote splitting going on between the 3 of them which maybe let another actress in. I think Marisha Wallace was particularly robbed. Petula Clark over her or Marisha or Laura Baldwin or Melanie La Barrie? - COME ON!! Waitress wasn’t helped by the fact it opened a whole year ago, and isn’t a shiny new anymore, but it also isn’t as industry beloved as &Juliet and DEH. |
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Post by sf on Mar 3, 2020 22:43:19 GMT
Changing Best Original Score to Best original score OR new orchestrations seems a big misstep in my opinion. To me they are 2 very different things. They should be seperate categories. The category wasn’t ‘Best Original Score’ before though, it was ‘Outstanding Achievement in Music’ which was so vague. At least they have gone some way to giving a bit of definition to the category, even though I agree, they haven’t quite got it right yet.
That category is ridiculous every year, whatever they call it, and really needs to be split into two: one for composition, and one for arrangement/orchestration. As it is, even though they've changed the name it's still rather like nominating a peach, an apricot, a plum, and a satsuma for an award for Best Banana.
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Post by sparky5000 on Mar 3, 2020 22:50:40 GMT
So who is everyone’s money on for Best New Musical - DEH or &Juliet?! I think it could go to &Juliet!
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Post by sparky5000 on Mar 3, 2020 22:54:38 GMT
I think Adrian Mole could have got at least one nomination somewhere. Not great that a new British musical with an entirely British and young creative team and cast from a regional theatre makes it to the west end and gets totally snubbed, imo. Agree with this. I guess it never really got any traction when it opened. I much preferred it to Amelie tho. I don’t really get the love for that show tbh. |
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Post by Mark on Mar 4, 2020 7:08:48 GMT
As much as I love Dear Evan Hansen, I would absolutely love it if the award went to &Juliet.
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 4, 2020 13:18:33 GMT
As it is, even though they've changed the name it's still rather like nominating a peach, an apricot, a plum, and a satsuma for an award for Best Banana. Please tell me that the award for Best Banana is decided by our @theatremonkey! |
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Post by stuart on Mar 5, 2020 9:19:04 GMT
Why is Fleabag considered as ‘Best Entertainment’ but Phoebe Waller-Bridge then gets an acting nomination for Play?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 5, 2020 11:52:17 GMT
Why is Fleabag considered as ‘Best Entertainment’ but Phoebe Waller-Bridge then gets an acting nomination for Play? Yes, especially since PWB has always been adamant in calling it a play and not a one woman show. |
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Post by Mark on Mar 5, 2020 11:57:10 GMT
Petula Clark being nominated is really quite laughable.
There are easily another 3 actresses just in Mary Poppins who'd be more worthy of a nom.
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Post by sparky5000 on Mar 5, 2020 12:24:10 GMT
Petula Clark being nominated is really quite laughable. There are easily another 3 actresses just in Mary Poppins who'd be more worthy of a nom. It’s actually really annoyed me. As well deserved as nearly all the nominations are there’s always some actors who are just guaranteed a nomination because of who they are and it becomes a joke. People complain about the whatsonstsge awards because they’re fan voted but at least you know exactly what they are. When someone gets nominated not for the performance but because of politics or them being a theatre darling is worse for me. Re Fleabag being nominated, I noticed that the category was “entertainment and comedy play” - did they include “comedy play” just to include fleabag and PWB or has that always been there?! |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Mar 17, 2020 18:11:53 GMT
Cancelled. They are working on how else to announce the winners.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Mar 17, 2020 18:12:17 GMT
Beat me to it! A shame but the right decision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 23:00:09 GMT
Such a shame, though of course the right decision, to cancel this year's ceremony.
I know some people on here and in the industry have mixed feelings about these awards, but I find it's always fantastic when they have mainstream coverage on ITV, radio, social media etc. to celebrate the year in theatre, which I feel this year will be needed more than any other to attempt to reach new audiences.
I hope there can be something to do this once the theatres all open again.
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Post by lynette on Mar 19, 2020 23:23:54 GMT
If they let people know who has won what they can do a little vid thank you. And they could show trailers of the big shows and comments from the audiences etc, they have enough for a nice programme.
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Post by zak97 on Mar 20, 2020 9:23:36 GMT
They could do it as a live stream. Would be complex but definitely achievable. That way the public can still see a ‘live’ reaction from the winners. Or, they could prerecord it and have it small scale like the nomination announcement, then insert winners speeches (communicates via Skype) and just have it put online.
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Post by theatreian on Mar 20, 2020 10:11:06 GMT
Petula Clark being nominated is really quite laughable. There are easily another 3 actresses just in Mary Poppins who'd be more worthy of a nom. Petula was on This Morning last week and pretty much said the same herself when they congratulated her on her nomination. She is always so self deprecating, considering her amazing career. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 10:16:33 GMT
I wonder if they should just postpone entirely until next year, then do a 24 month eligibility awards in 2022?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 13:03:29 GMT
I don't see any reason to postpone. The actual winning is a list of words which can be printed or read out. It's just the celebratory stuff that has to be cut. Announce them, have winners record their thanks, stitch it together for a broadcast, job done. It might just be my view, but they’ve spent a lot of time and effort turning the Olivier Awards into a real event - not just something to honour artists, but to celebrate theatre as a whole. Over the last decade it’s gone from being held in a hotel to the Royal Albert Hall with an edited broadcast going out on national TV with major event sponsorship. I’m not saying they can’t do it the way you’re suggesting but considering 2020 is going to be the most difficult year for theatre this side of WW2, postponing a big event like the Olivier Awards and holding after this is all over is a way to pay tribute, celebrate and announce to the larger world the West End is open again for business. From a finance point of view, ITV presumably aren’t going to pay for broadcast rights for a bunch of thank you messages recorded on an iPhone, so I think that must be a big factor in how they move forward too - most likely that money has been used and spent somehow on holding the event itself. |
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Post by Nicholas on Mar 20, 2020 13:53:08 GMT
I don't see any reason to postpone. The actual winning is a list of words which can be printed or read out. It's just the celebratory stuff that has to be cut. Announce them, have winners record their thanks, stitch it together for a broadcast, job done. It might just be my view, but they’ve spent a lot of time and effort turning the Olivier Awards into a real event - not just something to honour artists, but to celebrate theatre as a whole. Over the last decade it’s gone from being held in a hotel to the Royal Albert Hall with an edited broadcast going out on national TV with major event sponsorship. I’m not saying they can’t do it the way you’re suggesting but considering 2020 is going to be the most difficult year for theatre this side of WW2, postponing a big event like the Olivier Awards and holding after this is all over is a way to pay tribute, celebrate and announce to the larger world the West End is open again for business. From a finance point of view, ITV presumably aren’t going to pay for broadcast rights for a bunch of thank you messages recorded on an iPhone, so I think that must be a big factor in how they move forward too - most likely that money has been used and spent somehow on holding the event itself. Perversely, the single best thing the Oliviers could do is a semi-amateurish, filmed at home, "show must go on" show!
Usually, the Olivier are an embarrassing misinterpretation of what we love about theatre. Last year, Jason Manford sang some songs from the 70s hit show Chicago, before cracking some of his stand-up fat jokes. As a representation of 2019 in theatre, it was embarrassing.
(and I always bang on about this - on national telly, they always forget to mention national theatre. Even shows like Jamie or The Girls, which started in regional theatre, are advertised as London's own. This is the single worst advert for theatre, and is our ONLY annual advert for theatre)
So, usually, the Oliviers are a bit ashamed to celebrate how regional theatre is, how glorious musicals are, and how far-reaching theatre can be. Is it just me, or is this now an own goal? [edit: I mean open goal but I'm THAT bad at sports metaphors]
What's the plot of a bunch of Fred and Ginger musicals? What did Judy and Gene do in Summer Stock? What's the damn cliché about musicals? Let's goooooooooooooo on with the shoooooooooooooooooooow!!!!! That's what we all (pretentious though we may be) really love about musicals. There's a sunny side to every situation. They defy gravity. We're singing in the rain.
And what could better exemplify that than an Oliviers done in THIS situation of situations? Imagine! What could be more old-fashioned musical than an opening musical routine performed via Facetime, orchestrated via Sibelius, cut together by the best damn talent in the biz - hokey as heck, but triumphant above all else? What could better exemplify the regionality of regional theatre than having our nominees log in (preferably tuxed up) via Skype from all across the country? What could better celebrate the communality of theatre than the theatre community STILL coming together?
The Oliviers have always been embarrassed about being a celebration of musicals, because we have this unfair perception of musicals as simplistic "let's put on a show" entertainment. Now we have an excuse to do that! As a theatre lover, to know that the industry's still on its feet would be a great morale booster. If I worked in the theatre, it might feel a bit above my level to celebrate rich celebs self-isolating in their mansions, but at least they're rich celebs celebrating my work, my business, and how irreplaceable this business and my business is. Best of all, as a regional advert for the indestructability of theatre...
In short, they should do the tackiest, cheesiest, most amateurish, LITERALLY PHONED IN awards show ever. It might be the best Oliviers ever.
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Post by geweena on Apr 1, 2020 14:49:35 GMT
So....had my refund from Royal Albert Hall yesterday. Everything back except the £1.50pp restoration fee. Now, I know it’s only £3 total but I find it a bit cheeky they are keeping this when all other tickets are being refunded in full from other theatres and these also include the levy’s. When questioned I got a pre prepared statement that they are refunding more than they actually have to by giving back booking fees anyway!
I was actually planning on donating value of one of the tickets back, but this has left a bit of a sour taste. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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